Anybody typing more than maybe ten words that amount to "yes he does want Trump killed you fucking dipshit" in any discussion about this anywhere is wasting their time. There's no philosophical argument here and if you haven't figured out that explaining things to leftists is worse than doing nothing by now, you're not going to make it.
Not really defending Comey, but more critiquing that Viva didn't make his argument well. "86" is so often not used in the murder sense. To act like it's outrageous that it could be used in any other way - such as the way it's used 99% of the time - is pretty disingenuous from Viva, in my opinion. But probably the biggest issue is the focus on the food item, as if that is the only other meaning, when it is probably most well known as slang for kicking someone out. If someone is being troublesome, you throw them out; they've been 86ed.
Now, sure, contextually I think this is intentional shit stirring, and I think the Krassensteins definitely know what they're doing, since they were dumb enough to put more words to it, but I don't think the case is quite as solid as Viva acts.
I think "8647" is in pretty damn poor taste, and could be taken as a call to violence if you stretch, but it's also easily viewed as 'fire,' 'kick out,' or otherwise get rid of.
Graves are 8' long and 6' deep and this is the only origin explanation that's not just random. "Deep six" originated around the same time in the roarin' 20s. It's been listed in every slang dictionary as "to kill" since before the 70s.
And do you really think Comey ever had a job as a waiter?? Uh, no.
No, this means to kill. It certainly means that to Comey.
And do you really think Comey ever had a job as a waiter?? Uh, no.
You don't have to be a waiter to know what '86' means. As I said in my other comment, at least in my experience, it's almost exclusively used to mean kick someone out.
Maybe it's a regional dialect? I've rarely heard it used straight and unironically. Closest I've seen was talking about firing someone in a joking way, alluding to mob movies, when our team manager discussed another coworkers poor performance review and said "Yeah we'll need to 86 him" and did the cutting motion across his neck. That's probably how that idiot Krassenstein meant it, but Comey posting out of nowhere is sus.
Mob movies were a literal staple of American media for decades. Multiple instances of mob slang have become common parts of American English and most of us probably use words/lines from them without having seen them ourselves.
Its really one of those things where its usage is commonly hyperbolic, but its literal meaning is very direct. And a person with the level of power and political standing of Comey (current or former) cannot be that loose with his words at any point.
I don't think he's being loose with his words. This type of coy wordplay is obviously tightly controlled, as he's skirting right up on the line of overt / actionable speech, without clearly crossing it.
He's trying to demonstrate that he's untouchable. Would love to see him proven wrong.
I'm not saying he is being loose, he absolutely knows what he is doing unless he really is that stupid, which I can't rule out based on everything else about him.
But to give him any benefit of the doubt is to say people of his level and political standing can be loose with words, which absolutely should not be the case.
I happen to agree with Viva on this because while I understand how it's used on a list of objects, it's way different for people.
Basically, it's taken as a way of saying to "eliminate" something. Through context, you obviously aren't asking for someone to commit murder, but that's through context.
If I have a grocery list, and my wife realizes we don't need bananas, and she tells me to "86 the bananas", I understand that the bananas should be removed, not killed, because you can not kill a banana.
If my boss at work tells me to "86 Steve from the project", again, I can use context clues to understand that Steve should be removed from the roster, not shot in the head in the parking lot.
The problem is that we are applying that phrase to the most lethal job in American history, on a man who has survived three assassination attempts so far, from a political movement that has supported mass terrorism, insurrection, fire-bombing, wide-range petty terrorism, endorsed his assassination, endorsed the assassination of cops, endorsed the assassination of people saying the n-word, endorsed the assassination of Afrikaners, endorsed the assassination January 6 protestors, and endorsed the assassination of a health care CEO.
The context clues here tell me that this is a call for murder. A call to "eliminate" Trump, by a movement that has been openly violent, and supported open violence, is not something I'm going to just excuse. At least, if I also assume that Comey isn't trying to get attention for his book, which we know he is doing that.
Not to mention they've already attempted to peacefully "remove" Trump by legal means and fallen flat. There's no need to call for something to be done that has already been tried and has safeguards in place against such double jeopardy. The only legal recourse left at this point is to challenge his individual orders, there's no causes left to try and have him completely removed as president.
Even by the most charitable interpretation he's calling out on the blind hope that someone finds (or "finds", Steele dossier style) another convincing pretense for impeachment, then they can start another legal attempt to "remove" him from office.
That's a very elaborate plan to describe in a single cryptic number meme. Seems far more straightforward to assume the people who have called for and carried out multiple political assassination attempts are doing so again, being cryptic enough to maintain (barely) plausible deniability.
Precisely. Even if we accept that impeachment is a purely political process and he will be impeached and removed for purely illegitimate reasons, you wouldn't call it "86 47". You'd just yell "impeach Trump" like everyone else is.
I can't speak for anyone else, but the main and almost sole context I ever heard '86' used in is kicking someone out. A bartender, bouncer, or waiter will 86 an unruly customer, for example. And that's its general cultural usage as well, at least in my personal experience.
I agree here they were definitely trying to be clever, but it's nowhere near as cut and dry as Viva is making it out.
It’s extremely common parlance in the restaurant and hospitality industries. It basically just means “take that off the menu because we’re all out of it”.
Gretchen Whitmer once conducted a TV interview where a piece of jewelry marked '8645' was prominently in focus. It's not the first time they've done this trick; '86' is one of their favorite dogwhistles because it holds just the right amount of plausible deniability that something like 'in Minecraft' never did.
Its one of those positions where the word has been used generically enough to have plausible deniability, but literally means kill by its origin.
Its pure Leftist word game, where it can mean what they need it to mean based on backlash.
While I don't doubt he wants Trump killed, I doubt he actually is trying to call to violence. I've neither waited tables or worked in any industry people keep listing, but I've heard and used the phrase "86 something" usually in the form of "kill the noise." As in remove it, with the word kill being hyperbolic.
But, this is also the grave they built and they should be buried in it. So I offer no benefit of the doubt to him.
They already have a term for peacefully and legally removing an acting executive, it's impeachment. If they're going to be deliberately cryptic and use a term that can mean murder/fire I'm going to assume it's because they mean to say murder but also want plausible deniability to avoid the legal consequences of inciting murder.
Also, watch Viva get several fish on camera. That's a really good fishing spot.
Anyways, in addition to the continual support of domestic terrorism that the Left has been conducting for quite some time now, we have more attempts to promote the assassination of the president, this time from the fucking former FBI director.
Now, it is possible that Comey is literally being a glow-nigger in order to sell his retarded book (a crime thriller where a right-wing radio host named Buchanan causes terrorist attacks with his rhetoric, just to show how absolutely inside their own ass the left is), but I suspect it is also possible that Democrats are continuing to push for violence this summer. I also think this suggests that the FBI is horrifically corrupt, and Kash Patel needs to do more work on purging the FBI and finding out who ordered both hits on Donald Trump so far. It's clear that Comey didn't mind calling for assassinations, so I doubt he'd have a problem ordering or endorsing them.
Yes, Leftist sophists are trying to downplay the fact that 86 47 literally means to call for the murder of the president by pretending 86 doesn't mean what it explicitly means in American English parlance.
I'd argue it's explicit, as in comms, but that's hard to prove.
Yes, Leftist sophists are trying to downplay the fact that 86 47 literally means to call for the murder of the president by pretending 86 doesn't mean what it explicitly means in American English parlance.
You beat me to it with your other reply to Kienan, but to echo what you said, context is key here - and this has no context. I've read the comments of Democrats trying to run interference and give Comey/Krassenstein the benefit of the doubt, but their excuses amount to "haha no it's obviously not violent, don't worry about it." If I were SS investigating this, I'd focus on this line of questioning. If you didn't mean assassinate the president, what DID you mean? "Remove the president from office". Ok how? There have been no credible accusations of violating the law from Congress, and no real plan for impeachment. (that MIB-alien-looking Indian mfer failed) So how and why do you intend to remove the duly elected President of the United States from office? He will be out of office in 3 years and peacefully transition like he did his first term - like all American Presidents have in the past. Are you that against Democracy? Do you not see how your joke could be "misconstrued" in light of continuous ongoing threats of violence?
They have to work from the assumption that James Comey knows exactly what he's doing. He's not some retarded tiktoker. Well he might be, but I'm not letting him get off that easy. It would be one thing if impeachment proceedings were under way and you had protesters outside with "86-47" signs. That I would get. This is just random and out of nowhere - like Alex Soros's mysterious tweet.
Yeah, I'm not arguing what can be proven legally, or really, what can be proved legally outside of a DC court giving favorable rulings to Democrats. As Viva points out, they did imprison a right wing internet personality for election interference for re-posting a 4chan meme.
In a normal world, you shouldn't say to '86 46', because it can be misconstrued, and it's not something you want to allow for miscommunication on given the danger of being president.
However, if I had posted '86 46' two years ago, on this website, I would expect the FBI and SS to raid my house in the middle of the night, shoot my dog, and put me up on felony charges because of how aggressive the government's response would be.
Anybody typing more than maybe ten words that amount to "yes he does want Trump killed you fucking dipshit" in any discussion about this anywhere is wasting their time. There's no philosophical argument here and if you haven't figured out that explaining things to leftists is worse than doing nothing by now, you're not going to make it.
There's no point to arguing with sophists.
Not really defending Comey, but more critiquing that Viva didn't make his argument well. "86" is so often not used in the murder sense. To act like it's outrageous that it could be used in any other way - such as the way it's used 99% of the time - is pretty disingenuous from Viva, in my opinion. But probably the biggest issue is the focus on the food item, as if that is the only other meaning, when it is probably most well known as slang for kicking someone out. If someone is being troublesome, you throw them out; they've been 86ed.
Now, sure, contextually I think this is intentional shit stirring, and I think the Krassensteins definitely know what they're doing, since they were dumb enough to put more words to it, but I don't think the case is quite as solid as Viva acts.
I think "8647" is in pretty damn poor taste, and could be taken as a call to violence if you stretch, but it's also easily viewed as 'fire,' 'kick out,' or otherwise get rid of.
Graves are 8' long and 6' deep and this is the only origin explanation that's not just random. "Deep six" originated around the same time in the roarin' 20s. It's been listed in every slang dictionary as "to kill" since before the 70s.
And do you really think Comey ever had a job as a waiter?? Uh, no.
No, this means to kill. It certainly means that to Comey.
You don't have to be a waiter to know what '86' means. As I said in my other comment, at least in my experience, it's almost exclusively used to mean kick someone out.
I haven't waited and knew it only as "to kill" for my entire life.
Maybe it's a regional dialect? I've rarely heard it used straight and unironically. Closest I've seen was talking about firing someone in a joking way, alluding to mob movies, when our team manager discussed another coworkers poor performance review and said "Yeah we'll need to 86 him" and did the cutting motion across his neck. That's probably how that idiot Krassenstein meant it, but Comey posting out of nowhere is sus.
Mob movies were a literal staple of American media for decades. Multiple instances of mob slang have become common parts of American English and most of us probably use words/lines from them without having seen them ourselves.
Its really one of those things where its usage is commonly hyperbolic, but its literal meaning is very direct. And a person with the level of power and political standing of Comey (current or former) cannot be that loose with his words at any point.
I don't think he's being loose with his words. This type of coy wordplay is obviously tightly controlled, as he's skirting right up on the line of overt / actionable speech, without clearly crossing it.
He's trying to demonstrate that he's untouchable. Would love to see him proven wrong.
I'm not saying he is being loose, he absolutely knows what he is doing unless he really is that stupid, which I can't rule out based on everything else about him.
But to give him any benefit of the doubt is to say people of his level and political standing can be loose with words, which absolutely should not be the case.
I happen to agree with Viva on this because while I understand how it's used on a list of objects, it's way different for people.
Basically, it's taken as a way of saying to "eliminate" something. Through context, you obviously aren't asking for someone to commit murder, but that's through context.
If I have a grocery list, and my wife realizes we don't need bananas, and she tells me to "86 the bananas", I understand that the bananas should be removed, not killed, because you can not kill a banana.
If my boss at work tells me to "86 Steve from the project", again, I can use context clues to understand that Steve should be removed from the roster, not shot in the head in the parking lot.
The problem is that we are applying that phrase to the most lethal job in American history, on a man who has survived three assassination attempts so far, from a political movement that has supported mass terrorism, insurrection, fire-bombing, wide-range petty terrorism, endorsed his assassination, endorsed the assassination of cops, endorsed the assassination of people saying the n-word, endorsed the assassination of Afrikaners, endorsed the assassination January 6 protestors, and endorsed the assassination of a health care CEO.
The context clues here tell me that this is a call for murder. A call to "eliminate" Trump, by a movement that has been openly violent, and supported open violence, is not something I'm going to just excuse. At least, if I also assume that Comey isn't trying to get attention for his book, which we know he is doing that.
Not to mention they've already attempted to peacefully "remove" Trump by legal means and fallen flat. There's no need to call for something to be done that has already been tried and has safeguards in place against such double jeopardy. The only legal recourse left at this point is to challenge his individual orders, there's no causes left to try and have him completely removed as president.
Even by the most charitable interpretation he's calling out on the blind hope that someone finds (or "finds", Steele dossier style) another convincing pretense for impeachment, then they can start another legal attempt to "remove" him from office.
That's a very elaborate plan to describe in a single cryptic number meme. Seems far more straightforward to assume the people who have called for and carried out multiple political assassination attempts are doing so again, being cryptic enough to maintain (barely) plausible deniability.
Precisely. Even if we accept that impeachment is a purely political process and he will be impeached and removed for purely illegitimate reasons, you wouldn't call it "86 47". You'd just yell "impeach Trump" like everyone else is.
I can't speak for anyone else, but the main and almost sole context I ever heard '86' used in is kicking someone out. A bartender, bouncer, or waiter will 86 an unruly customer, for example. And that's its general cultural usage as well, at least in my personal experience.
I agree here they were definitely trying to be clever, but it's nowhere near as cut and dry as Viva is making it out.
It’s extremely common parlance in the restaurant and hospitality industries. It basically just means “take that off the menu because we’re all out of it”.
Sorry, but no. Hard disagree.
Gretchen Whitmer once conducted a TV interview where a piece of jewelry marked '8645' was prominently in focus. It's not the first time they've done this trick; '86' is one of their favorite dogwhistles because it holds just the right amount of plausible deniability that something like 'in Minecraft' never did.
Its one of those positions where the word has been used generically enough to have plausible deniability, but literally means kill by its origin.
Its pure Leftist word game, where it can mean what they need it to mean based on backlash.
While I don't doubt he wants Trump killed, I doubt he actually is trying to call to violence. I've neither waited tables or worked in any industry people keep listing, but I've heard and used the phrase "86 something" usually in the form of "kill the noise." As in remove it, with the word kill being hyperbolic.
But, this is also the grave they built and they should be buried in it. So I offer no benefit of the doubt to him.
They already have a term for peacefully and legally removing an acting executive, it's impeachment. If they're going to be deliberately cryptic and use a term that can mean murder/fire I'm going to assume it's because they mean to say murder but also want plausible deniability to avoid the legal consequences of inciting murder.
Well, that mutant streetshitter who can't name cities in his own representative state tried that.
Also, watch Viva get several fish on camera. That's a really good fishing spot.
Anyways, in addition to the continual support of domestic terrorism that the Left has been conducting for quite some time now, we have more attempts to promote the assassination of the president, this time from the fucking former FBI director.
Now, it is possible that Comey is literally being a glow-nigger in order to sell his retarded book (a crime thriller where a right-wing radio host named Buchanan causes terrorist attacks with his rhetoric, just to show how absolutely inside their own ass the left is), but I suspect it is also possible that Democrats are continuing to push for violence this summer. I also think this suggests that the FBI is horrifically corrupt, and Kash Patel needs to do more work on purging the FBI and finding out who ordered both hits on Donald Trump so far. It's clear that Comey didn't mind calling for assassinations, so I doubt he'd have a problem ordering or endorsing them.
Yes, Leftist sophists are trying to downplay the fact that 86 47 literally means to call for the murder of the president by pretending 86 doesn't mean what it explicitly means in American English parlance.
I'd argue it's explicit, as in comms, but that's hard to prove.
You beat me to it with your other reply to Kienan, but to echo what you said, context is key here - and this has no context. I've read the comments of Democrats trying to run interference and give Comey/Krassenstein the benefit of the doubt, but their excuses amount to "haha no it's obviously not violent, don't worry about it." If I were SS investigating this, I'd focus on this line of questioning. If you didn't mean assassinate the president, what DID you mean? "Remove the president from office". Ok how? There have been no credible accusations of violating the law from Congress, and no real plan for impeachment. (that MIB-alien-looking Indian mfer failed) So how and why do you intend to remove the duly elected President of the United States from office? He will be out of office in 3 years and peacefully transition like he did his first term - like all American Presidents have in the past. Are you that against Democracy? Do you not see how your joke could be "misconstrued" in light of continuous ongoing threats of violence?
They have to work from the assumption that James Comey knows exactly what he's doing. He's not some retarded tiktoker. Well he might be, but I'm not letting him get off that easy. It would be one thing if impeachment proceedings were under way and you had protesters outside with "86-47" signs. That I would get. This is just random and out of nowhere - like Alex Soros's mysterious tweet.
Yeah, I'm not arguing what can be proven legally, or really, what can be proved legally outside of a DC court giving favorable rulings to Democrats. As Viva points out, they did imprison a right wing internet personality for election interference for re-posting a 4chan meme.
In a normal world, you shouldn't say to '86 46', because it can be misconstrued, and it's not something you want to allow for miscommunication on given the danger of being president.
However, if I had posted '86 46' two years ago, on this website, I would expect the FBI and SS to raid my house in the middle of the night, shoot my dog, and put me up on felony charges because of how aggressive the government's response would be.
Since we're just throwing random numbers out there 1488...
Get him first.
No, shut the fuck up glow fag.