God said only he can forgive, point blank, no other instance in the Bible says that judgement or forgiveness is upon man over god. These heretics are worse than satanists in most cases, frankly satanists are more honest.
no other instance in the Bible says that judgement or forgiveness is upon man over god.
I'm not a Christian, so I don't feel right quoting scripture, but a quick search shows plenty of verses, including that if you don't forgive others, God won't forgive you. It does seem that there's a duty to forgive.
I agree that I think modern Christians get a lot wrong, but it does seem that there's a pretty big theme of forgiveness in the doctrine, and not just from God, but from man.
Forgiving those who repent, and even then, above everything else, the Bible repeatedly states judgement and forgiveness lies solely with god. Otherwise humans would determine who sees heaven or hell, which is clearly antithetical to the entire Bible.
the Bible repeatedly states judgement and forgiveness lies solely with god. Otherwise humans would determine who sees heaven or hell
Except a human forgiving another human doesn't determine whether or not the forgiven goes to heaven. It affects the forgiver, not the forgiven. God's judgement is supreme, but that doesn't mean man doesn't share a duty to forgive.
You can forgive a sinner, and they still go to Hell, because they were not repentant. I feel like you're conflating forgiveness with absolution. I completely agree that man can't absolve man, and I think that's what the Bible backs up. Man is not the judge, but that doesn't mean they can't forgive on the personal level.
Yeah, as is still being fought about in another thread too, a lot of people think forgiveness holds some special power of judgement.
If I forgive someone, it doesn't magically give them a ticket to Heaven. It doesn't overrule God. The only person it's guaranteed to affect is me, but in this scenario where I truly want the best for someone who has wronged me, hopefully that feeling reaches them and they can get right. But that's on them.
Some people really seem to be missing the point, and acting like the act of forgiving someone is taking some power from God.
If I forgive Karmelo Anthony, that doesn't change his relationship or status with God. I'm uninvolved in that particular process.
It's rare nowadays to find anyone in this site that gives Christianity a fair assessment. There was a time were I'd read good words which had to be written by true Christians, but not anymore. They've left this place and it gets angrier by the year for it.
“God commands us to forgive”
God said only he can forgive, point blank, no other instance in the Bible says that judgement or forgiveness is upon man over god. These heretics are worse than satanists in most cases, frankly satanists are more honest.
I'm not a Christian, so I don't feel right quoting scripture, but a quick search shows plenty of verses, including that if you don't forgive others, God won't forgive you. It does seem that there's a duty to forgive.
I agree that I think modern Christians get a lot wrong, but it does seem that there's a pretty big theme of forgiveness in the doctrine, and not just from God, but from man.
Forgiving those who repent, and even then, above everything else, the Bible repeatedly states judgement and forgiveness lies solely with god. Otherwise humans would determine who sees heaven or hell, which is clearly antithetical to the entire Bible.
Except a human forgiving another human doesn't determine whether or not the forgiven goes to heaven. It affects the forgiver, not the forgiven. God's judgement is supreme, but that doesn't mean man doesn't share a duty to forgive.
You can forgive a sinner, and they still go to Hell, because they were not repentant. I feel like you're conflating forgiveness with absolution. I completely agree that man can't absolve man, and I think that's what the Bible backs up. Man is not the judge, but that doesn't mean they can't forgive on the personal level.
Forgiveness is not absolution for the sinner.
Not true, the duty to forgive comes after repentance for the sin. The only argument so far with that is what determines repentance.
Yeah, why god didn't forgive sodom and gomorrah? Is he a fascist or something?
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You have to repent before forgiving someone.
There is a Christian theme of forgiving those that repent. The repentance is just as important as the forgiving.
Yeah, as is still being fought about in another thread too, a lot of people think forgiveness holds some special power of judgement.
If I forgive someone, it doesn't magically give them a ticket to Heaven. It doesn't overrule God. The only person it's guaranteed to affect is me, but in this scenario where I truly want the best for someone who has wronged me, hopefully that feeling reaches them and they can get right. But that's on them.
Some people really seem to be missing the point, and acting like the act of forgiving someone is taking some power from God.
If I forgive Karmelo Anthony, that doesn't change his relationship or status with God. I'm uninvolved in that particular process.
That's fair, but you know that's not why the msm and the leftie crowd is parading the apology
It's rare nowadays to find anyone in this site that gives Christianity a fair assessment. There was a time were I'd read good words which had to be written by true Christians, but not anymore. They've left this place and it gets angrier by the year for it.
It’s the same picture.
It’s not. The Bible in the original Greek expressly differentiated between mortal and divine forms of forgiveness.
I meant heretics and satanists.
Please, please, please, show me anywhere where the burden of judgement or forgiveness is placed on man over god, I’ll wait.
Sooo you have no actual argument other than blaspheming?