Orwell was right. Women are true believers
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I mean. If women are really that stupid, isn't it also men's fault for letting them?
There were massive failures all around. Men and women were both sold lies. Women were told to become uncontrollable, and men were told not to control them.
And it's been a vicious cycle from there, that will be exceedingly hard to pull back from.
The puzzle piece I can't figure out is how to re-assert control now that the state has made it illegal. I don't think you can successfully rally a political movement around overthrowing the government in order to put women back in the kitchen. People will pine for some mythical societal collapse but I don't think it's going to arrive in our lifetime. It'll be a slow agonizing burn that takes generations and make just hit an equilibrium at a much lower quality of life but never actually take the form of the sort of anarchy that allows for a new healthy society to rise from the ashes of the old one. We'll just be stuck with a shittier version of what already exists.
You know the answer but you've invested too much of your identity in hating Islam to be receptive to it.
Islam is right about women.
The church is not bloodthirsty or influential enough to make Islam's path viable.
I didn't say anything about the church.
If you think christianity is going to survive liberalism you're betting the lame donkey in a horse race.
Here's my prediction. By 2030, there will be an openly pro-sharia islamist party in Britain with at least 5 unassailable MEPs.
Why not just say what you want to say? I thought Quakers were against predestination/calvinism, so you're surely not saying "Islam is taking over so it must be God's will." You sound pessimistic.
It's more that Calvinists are "THIS IS HOW IT IS" and we're more like "eh, maybe".
In the face of how liberalism is utterly destroying our ability to form families, yes, I do believe that they have something right that we have wrong.
For christianity, yes. For humanity, no.
What's there to say? We all know the west is a ruined experiment corrupted by the assumption that women are equal in reasoning and morality to men when they absolutely are not. We can find no precedent or even support in our cultural foundation to justify the actions needed to fix this problem.
Those before us failed in headship while creating a culture that condemns any attempt to take back headship.
Bringing up the men of the past's failings won't help. Every time men try to control the women some "conservative" will immediately spin the blame onto men. The blame has to be placed solely onto women, a new story in the vein of Eve and Pandora has to be told. Look at Islam, which allows no criticism from women onto men, and all ancient religions really. They put the blame onto women and women alone. You are correct of course, the men of the Anglosphere more than a century ago had a bunch of bullshit beliefs about women that effectively crippled Christiandom and the West. Women are wiser, women are more natural, women are more in tune to their feelings and the natural order, more socially savy and cleaner, etc. all have to go. Any time the blame gets placed onto men it completely derails everything.
I mean, I think it's an important point, though. I get your point as well but...women didn't "liberate" themselves. Even just looking at their own framework; men had all institutional power, ran everything, etc. Men were the ones in charge, and willingly went along with unleashing women on society.
Women didn't do this. And that's not me defending women. Even from the sexist perspective, it doesn't make sense. The talking point is that women are adult children. Well, children don't have the same level of agency. It's often a parent's fault, or at least responsibility, for bad behavior of a child. Again, women didn't unleash themselves; they didn't have the power or agency.
I'm not familiar with Islam, but I wouldn't say blame. They're not blaming, they just saying 'stay in your lane.' You don't have to blame women, you just don't become a participant in their delusions and, yes, enshrining that concept seems like it might be a good idea, societally speaking.
So, as I said, it's a mix. You can blame women for their behavior, but you do have to blame everyone for allowing it.