Bringing up the men of the past's failings won't help. Every time men try to control the women some "conservative" will immediately spin the blame onto men. The blame has to be placed solely onto women, a new story in the vein of Eve and Pandora has to be told. Look at Islam, which allows no criticism from women onto men, and all ancient religions really. They put the blame onto women and women alone. You are correct of course, the men of the Anglosphere more than a century ago had a bunch of bullshit beliefs about women that effectively crippled Christiandom and the West. Women are wiser, women are more natural, women are more in tune to their feelings and the natural order, more socially savy and cleaner, etc. all have to go. Any time the blame gets placed onto men it completely derails everything.
Bringing up the men of the past's failings won't help.
I mean, I think it's an important point, though. I get your point as well but...women didn't "liberate" themselves. Even just looking at their own framework; men had all institutional power, ran everything, etc. Men were the ones in charge, and willingly went along with unleashing women on society.
Women didn't do this. And that's not me defending women. Even from the sexist perspective, it doesn't make sense. The talking point is that women are adult children. Well, children don't have the same level of agency. It's often a parent's fault, or at least responsibility, for bad behavior of a child. Again, women didn't unleash themselves; they didn't have the power or agency.
Look at Islam...and all ancient religions really. They put the blame onto women and women alone.
I'm not familiar with Islam, but I wouldn't say blame. They're not blaming, they just saying 'stay in your lane.' You don't have to blame women, you just don't become a participant in their delusions and, yes, enshrining that concept seems like it might be a good idea, societally speaking.
So, as I said, it's a mix. You can blame women for their behavior, but you do have to blame everyone for allowing it.
Bringing up the men of the past's failings won't help. Every time men try to control the women some "conservative" will immediately spin the blame onto men. The blame has to be placed solely onto women, a new story in the vein of Eve and Pandora has to be told. Look at Islam, which allows no criticism from women onto men, and all ancient religions really. They put the blame onto women and women alone. You are correct of course, the men of the Anglosphere more than a century ago had a bunch of bullshit beliefs about women that effectively crippled Christiandom and the West. Women are wiser, women are more natural, women are more in tune to their feelings and the natural order, more socially savy and cleaner, etc. all have to go. Any time the blame gets placed onto men it completely derails everything.
I mean, I think it's an important point, though. I get your point as well but...women didn't "liberate" themselves. Even just looking at their own framework; men had all institutional power, ran everything, etc. Men were the ones in charge, and willingly went along with unleashing women on society.
Women didn't do this. And that's not me defending women. Even from the sexist perspective, it doesn't make sense. The talking point is that women are adult children. Well, children don't have the same level of agency. It's often a parent's fault, or at least responsibility, for bad behavior of a child. Again, women didn't unleash themselves; they didn't have the power or agency.
I'm not familiar with Islam, but I wouldn't say blame. They're not blaming, they just saying 'stay in your lane.' You don't have to blame women, you just don't become a participant in their delusions and, yes, enshrining that concept seems like it might be a good idea, societally speaking.
So, as I said, it's a mix. You can blame women for their behavior, but you do have to blame everyone for allowing it.