As most probably caught, Amouranth had a home invasion in an attempt to rob her crypto. Husband shot one robber and the rest fled.
Colion does a half hour rundown with them both, at their house and using security camera footage as well.
If nothing else this is the kind of stuff that can help mainstream 2A and self defense going forward. Also is an excellent illustration of how shit a defensive situation is, cause almost nothing went "right", but the outcome ended well.
I couldn't care about this incident other than highlighting NEVER brag about your wealth online and the importance of 2A.
But something I wanted to always ask Americans on home defense, which is better:
Hand gun or shotgun? Of course there is both and more as an option but heat of the moment, both are there in front of you, you hear a noise downstairs, which do you immediately grab?
Carbine also a good option. Unless body armor is involved, it's got most of the pros of both pistols and rifles, while being more maneuverable and controllable. But I'm no expert and, honestly, a big part of it is that I just think they're cool, too.
Honestly, doesn't matter too much...the main factor is training; just be comfortable, preferably to an instinctual level to help overcome the stress/adrenaline, and you're set. There's a reason training is so often emphasized and encouraged.
I heard depends on where you live for some guns as I'd imagine for carbine you take out the robbers but also you neighbours in a built up area.
Nope. Carbines, if in pistol caliber, are only slightly more powerful than a handgun due to increased muzzle velocity. Also, the tests I've seen, overpenetration is hard to deal with no matter what, as pistol or rifle calibers will both tear through drywall; if you miss in the heat of the moment, that bullet is going somewhere, no matter its characteristics. But, yeah, although a generalization, rifles will tear through more shit, so definitely not always suitable.
Some rifle calibers tumble, but drywall isn't usually enough to start that process so, as mentioned, that bullet is going somewhere.
Also, I could be wrong, but I think shotguns actually really over penetrate. A lot of people have a lot of misconceptions about shotguns, but those pellets are individually small, and going really fast so, although they'll slow down, they still have more than enough juice to punch right through a lot initially.
Don't know how true it is, but some police will use #4 buckshot to limit overpenetration while still stopping the target. It's #00 buck that will rip walls to shreds.
#4 buckshot is better at not over penetration but even better is #2 or #4 birdshot, but it's hard to find with lead pellet loads. Most of it will be steel shot for waterfowl, you'd probably have to load you own.
M193 5.56 (55 grain, some of the cheapest ammo you can buy for an AR15) will tumble when hitting a human target or drywall, preventing over penetration, and reducing lethality past a human target or a wall, making it one of the best options for self defense in the home. Within the reliable tumble ranges of M193 (and similar 5.56 ammo), it starts to tumble almost immediately upon hitting a target. Unless, however, we're talking about ridiculously short barrel ARs, which severely limits round velocity, preventing the rounds from tumbling when hitting a target, forcing people to buy more expensive ammo just so it can tumble or expand in target. Numerous tests show cheap M193 ammo is very deadly at its tumble distances when used in barrels at least 14.5 inches in length. The distances vary by study, but when using M193, roughly, a 14.5 inch barrel reliable tumbles out to 50-100 yards, a 16 inch barrel out to 100-150 yards, an 18 inch barrel out to 150-175 yards, and a 20 inch barrel out to 175-225 yards.
For handguns, the only way to limit over penetration through barriers is to use small calibers, like .22, which impedes on one's ability to stop the threat. Self defense handgun ammo, which is supposed to expand and stop in target, when it hits drywall, tends to get gummed up by the drywall, which fills up the hollow point, limiting its ability to expand and slow down, essentially turning it into a FMJ round. Handgun calibers which are good for self defense almost invariably have difficulty over penetrating barriers like drywall.
For shotguns, use smaller shot, like #6 to #8, which don't retain as much energy when passing through barriers.
https://www.80percentarms.com/blog/m193-ballistics-terminal-effects/
https://secondcalldefense.org/recommended-types-of-ammo-to-minimize-drywall-penetration/
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/blog/wall-to-wall-testing-penetration-of-home-defense-ammo/
Huh, interesting, thanks.
I guess the tests I saw were using different 5.56, as I've seen that punch through many layers of drywall without tumbling.
It's probably because a lot of idiots in the gun community fangirl about "new product", which are short barrel ARs, so everyone is getting them without understanding why AR15s are deadly. So, they build short barrel ARs and still use the cheap M193 ammo, not realizing that their short barrels don't impart enough muzzle velocity to get the round to reliably tumble in target, turning their AR15 into a glorified .22.
A good tester should give info on barrel length, ammo type, muzzle velocity (if they have a tester for it), and range to target, which is needed to determine if the rifle and round are capable of making the ammo tumble (if it's designed to do so), at the distance the target is at.
No, 5.56 tumbling is at actual range with lost velocity and stability, not at 25 feet still going supersonic.
5.56 ammo is designed to tumble in target, and that requires higher velocities, not less. Tumbling and fragmentation, which is what makes FMJ AR15 ammo so deadly, occurs more the faster the bullet is travelling, ergo, the closer the target is the more likely the round is to tumble and fragment (if the barrel is long enough to impart enough muzzle velocity to make the round tumble).
For example, the 55gr M193 ammo reliably tumbles above 2700 fps, and has a chance of tumbling (not guaranteed, though) above 2500 fps. The 77gr mk262 round reliably tumbles above 2100 fps. The newer military 62gr M855 rounds are also designed to tumble in target, but again, relies on having enough velocity to do so.
Yeah. Looked up a few ballistics test and, although some tests were pretty half-assed, looks like something like 5.56 frangible/varmint is pretty good if you're worried about overpenetration. Watching that hit gel is pretty amazing; full and basically immediate energy transfer.
Didn't see it versus just drywall (didn't spend too long on this yet), but it might be the best of the bullets that still have adequate stopping power. I'm curious, might look into it more this evening.
All bullets go through stick and fiberglass American homes. There is no bullet that kills people effectively but poofs into dust when it hits drywall.
Don't shoot guns in houses unless you are using a hostile human body as a backstop.
I've seen in the movies those rifles that you reload with a spinning move. I don't know what those are but it's so cool the robbers will appreciate getting shot with them.
I would.
You're probably talking lever action.
Yeah i think that's what it's called.
Not an American, but I'd say it goes AR15>Pistol caliber carbine>shotgun>pistol.
But most importantly, the one you have to hand and feel comfortable with. He made a reasonable estimate that shotgun was out because they had her, therefore he was left with the pistol
Fair enough, circumstances dictates choice.
I want to be sure I don't miss, so I grab this
Expected GAU-8, but this is also acceptable.
The best weapon for home defense is whatever you have one hand.
The second best is a weapon you love and love to shoot, and do so alot, so you're proficient and comfortable with it should shit go down.
The third best, imho, is a cheap yet reliable AR. It's easier to become proficient with, and you're not going to be crying to the bank if the cops need to keep it as 'evidence' for whatever fucked up reason. Plus you can get a reasonable silencer for hearing protection you can quickly remove before the cops come.
Pistol has a drawback in that you need to practice alot more to become good at it, red dots are expensive for pistols(and some difficult to get), and you really don't want to have to hand over a thousand-plus pistol to the cops for the evidence locker.
Shotguns are nice, but limited in terms of ammo. And also expensive, unless you're going turkish, which is chancy.
And if you're an absolute goddamn maniac, get an AR-10, because 308 rounds will solve any problem you point them at.
Kienan is right, AR-15 or Carbine are the better option.
An AR-15 with varmint rounds will over-penetrate the least, but if you need to penetrate a car or push out to 500 yards, any decent 5.56 of your choice will do fine.
A Carbine can have very low re-coil and come perfect paired with a pistol
Hand guns will be the only weapon instantly accessible if you carry it, but it's actually the hardest weapon to learn.
Shotguns are fantastic fight-stoppers. However, they have heavy recoil are not typically loaded with magazines, and they can deafen and blind you when they go off in a dark room inside your house if you just woke up from a bump in the night. I'm actually only grabbing a shotgun if I know I'm going into hell. If I know I'm dealing with 5 armed dudes, yeah, the shotgun is my best force multiplier.
I would honestly recommend a pistol & carbine as a perfect pair, because you can start making choices if you need to. The pistol is what you'll carry all day, and the carbine you can grab (with better penetration ammo if you need it) in the event you have to take on something more serious. You can also pass off the carbine to your wife or kid and be fine.
Important take aways for the common man and the politically and social media exposed personality.
Having a gun is good, but you can't have it locked away.
Compliance is the best tool to mount a counter-ambush.
There is no time to explain to 911 what is happening, particularly if you have been swatted multiple times and your call is identical to the average swatting call.
Interior doors do not stand up to attack at all.
You really should be able to set up a "this is really me, this is a real emergency" password with local law enforcement, if that's not already a thing.
At their level of fame, success and wealth I would have expected more professional security. Maybe not on site, but someone you could call that could confirm to 911 what is happening is real, and give a running update on what's going on via camera.
I imagine aomeone in executive protection at least made a good consultation fee in the immediate days after this.
no, cause real people dont give 2 fucks about twitch prostitutes.
now that reddit crowd loves guns because 'resistance against fascists' /s
To be fair, it was posted here around when it happens, so many of us saw it even though we don't care about Twitch prostitutes.
When "Be Your Own Bank" includes needing to secure that bank from robberies.
Start House-Carrying
Which way do you mean this? I can interpret it two ways; is it shit to be in a defensive situation, or shit trying to overcome a defensive situation?
Husband is on the shitter, the guns are locked up, she doesn't even realise what's happening until they're in the room with her. Even communicating with 911 what's happening is going to take to much time, add to that their response time you're on your own for the duration.
Not only is being in it and overcoming it shit, the circumstances were stacked against them at best.
My worst fear is having to defend my home with my dick out and a case of shitass
BATHROOM GUN