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Which is why we shouldn't be helping TERFs out of the mess they made no matter how much we hate troons.
Eh, I mean I think the tranny menace needs to be put down hard.
It's not that we shouldn't help TERFs, we just need to constantly be aware that TERFs are not our allies. If doing the right thing helps them incidentally, so be it. But they're not our friends; they're feminists, and they either hate us, or are so women-centric that their beliefs being realized would still be disastrous, even if they didn't hate us.
So, yeah, I have no problems with helping them do things we already want to do, but some people definitely take it too far and act like TERFs are "based" or something. Which is retarded. They ended up on the right side of an issue once, and for the exact wrong reasons.
I just can't see a ton of overlap in our interests other than opposing troons for different reasons. They mainly care about protecting women from a monster of their own creation. Things like protecting single sex spaces and women's sports, none of which are our problem. They weren't even against transing kids until it starting affecting girls. Our main concerns wrt the tranny problem are protecting kids, acknowledging reality, and opposing degeneracy. Frankly TERFs are part of the problem on all those counts. They're just mad that the troons are beating them at their civilization destroying game.
Trannies have little agency on their own. They are a weapon created and wielded by others.
Any way the TERFs will hurt trannies will be by putting harder to remove literal DEI shit into laws and policies, and just making sure the female portion specifies "no trannies."
Any amount of letting them fight is us saying "woke shit is fine, trannies are the only thing I care about." They are Radical Feminists first, tranny haters second and their only value is in their institutional power is far greater than ours to make the Intersectionality be constantly infighting.
Everyone is misunderstanding. I'm not saying specifically help them pass their agendas, I'm saying let's let them help us pass our agendas.
Don't go out of your way to help TERFs, agreed. But if what we're doing anyway helps TERFs, we should still do it, because it's what we want to do.
This is where you are misunderstanding me.
Almost anything that helps them makes us worse, period. Keeping trannies out of women's sports just returns us to "wasting half the budget on women's sports because they must exist even if no one cares." Defining genders along gender lines just reinforces their belief that "femininity" is divine and makes them special.
If in our path to destroy trannies we end up ever in a position where it also helps them, we need to rethink how we are doing this and regauge our approach. Trannies are a fraction of a percent and a social contagion, if not for the media propping them up they'd be a nothing burger and something you could fix by talking to your kids. Feminists are half the population, always a threat, and impossible to budge once they get in.
The literal only reason anyone would ever side with them against the Trannies is because they are still falling for "woman cries, shut down everything" manipulation. Feminists are showing their dominance over you by you even thinking the trannies are a bigger threat in any way, in any country, at any time.
Including that they created the tranny menace, are still responsible for it continuing and will do so again if not curbed.
I don't disagree with your premise, just I can't think of anything we're doing anyway that TERFs would support. The closest I thing I can think of is the Trump executive order on trannies, and I guarantee you they voted for the pro-tranny candidate because sacrifices to Moloch are more important to them than going after faggots in dresses.
I think that Feminisms is a bigger problem than troonery. Feminists have risen to become literally the dominant political paradigm; while M-F troons castrate themselves to take advantage of the status and privileges of women.
Troons are self destructive and will be soundly defeated when normies work out what they do to kids. Feminists have been around for 150 years and are only growing in power.
Let me try to persuade you to the contrary:
Troonery will lead to legalized pedophilia and the complete loss of parental rights (to the state).
I don't believe that. Not even the Soviet Union went that far, and they had youth indoctrination camps.
If that is true, then Western society is unrecoverable right now.
Feminism holds that men are the architects of society and have chose to construct a society that has the sole purpose of utter despotism over women.
In the next 50 years it will see the end of (in no particular order)
Shortly later China.
At some point in the next 30 years Feminism will lead to the UK having imported so many Muslims that it is lost as a nation.
If having troons take over the levers of power will end the family it will not happen in every nation at once and the pushback will probably see troons and their supporters hung in the streets. It will certainly see civil war in the USA.
Well, good. If that is what it takes, then bring it on. There can be no compromise with pathological liars.
You make a strong counter-argument. We are in a world-wide war against feminism, and feminism has gestated into what we might argue is it's final and most insipid form of today. (I'll grant, it could actually get worse if civilization somehow survives the war's loss.)
However, troonery has just spawned. This is only its first generation of gaining a foothold with officially recognized "identity" and "rights," replete with the censorship methods needed to silence resistance. Run the simulation ahead where it, like feminism, also gestates through several waves of deeper, civilizational brainwashing. If troonery continues to be accepted as something other than the disturbed mental illness that it is, well, that acceptance raises philosophical questions that throws grease on the slippery slope. We already know and have discussed this outcome and its results. (Not you and I, directly, that is, but "based" contemplations across the net that realize legalized pedophilia and destruction of parents/family rights is at risk.) Its full threat may not be here today, like feminism's, but the future one it presents is arguably worse and even more assuredly destructive.
As long as you remember that they call any woman who criticizes them a TERF, even if that woman isn't a feminist.