What happened to Cathy Young from early gamergate.
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Eh, I mean I think the tranny menace needs to be put down hard.
It's not that we shouldn't help TERFs, we just need to constantly be aware that TERFs are not our allies. If doing the right thing helps them incidentally, so be it. But they're not our friends; they're feminists, and they either hate us, or are so women-centric that their beliefs being realized would still be disastrous, even if they didn't hate us.
So, yeah, I have no problems with helping them do things we already want to do, but some people definitely take it too far and act like TERFs are "based" or something. Which is retarded. They ended up on the right side of an issue once, and for the exact wrong reasons.
I just can't see a ton of overlap in our interests other than opposing troons for different reasons. They mainly care about protecting women from a monster of their own creation. Things like protecting single sex spaces and women's sports, none of which are our problem. They weren't even against transing kids until it starting affecting girls. Our main concerns wrt the tranny problem are protecting kids, acknowledging reality, and opposing degeneracy. Frankly TERFs are part of the problem on all those counts. They're just mad that the troons are beating them at their civilization destroying game.
Trannies have little agency on their own. They are a weapon created and wielded by others.
Any way the TERFs will hurt trannies will be by putting harder to remove literal DEI shit into laws and policies, and just making sure the female portion specifies "no trannies."
Any amount of letting them fight is us saying "woke shit is fine, trannies are the only thing I care about." They are Radical Feminists first, tranny haters second and their only value is in their institutional power is far greater than ours to make the Intersectionality be constantly infighting.
Everyone is misunderstanding. I'm not saying specifically help them pass their agendas, I'm saying let's let them help us pass our agendas.
Don't go out of your way to help TERFs, agreed. But if what we're doing anyway helps TERFs, we should still do it, because it's what we want to do.
This is where you are misunderstanding me.
Almost anything that helps them makes us worse, period. Keeping trannies out of women's sports just returns us to "wasting half the budget on women's sports because they must exist even if no one cares." Defining genders along gender lines just reinforces their belief that "femininity" is divine and makes them special.
If in our path to destroy trannies we end up ever in a position where it also helps them, we need to rethink how we are doing this and regauge our approach. Trannies are a fraction of a percent and a social contagion, if not for the media propping them up they'd be a nothing burger and something you could fix by talking to your kids. Feminists are half the population, always a threat, and impossible to budge once they get in.
The literal only reason anyone would ever side with them against the Trannies is because they are still falling for "woman cries, shut down everything" manipulation. Feminists are showing their dominance over you by you even thinking the trannies are a bigger threat in any way, in any country, at any time.
Including that they created the tranny menace, are still responsible for it continuing and will do so again if not curbed.
Ah, good counterpoint. Not sure I agree, but it's certainly more leaning toward that side than any common ground we might have (which again, is completely different on ideological grounds anyway), so point well taken.
It's also just fucking cringe. We care about the trannie issue because we care about reality. But if I have to hear one more "conservative" "influencer" talk about how important fucking women's sports is, I'll lose it.
I do think it's important, to some extent, in school and maybe college. Sports are fun and important, and I do think young women should have the chance to experience that, and they can't compete equally with men, obviously. But the idea that professional women's sports is some big important thing is a bit much, yeah.
Eh. But it is divided like that. Men and women are different. And, yeah, they'll whine and take that to mean they're special, and that's annoying. But, I still prefer reality. Again, men and women are different.
By 'them' do you mean trannies or TERFs. Because I certainly don't think identifying and dealing with trannies helps them...at least as an identity group. It might actually help them live better lives by less people embracing trannydom to begin with, actually.
But it's the same root. We need to deal with both. And, yes, a big part of that is calling out the feminist menace..
Strong disagree. Again, it goes back to us looking at 'siding with' differently. I don't side with the TERFs. They're terrible. But I can be on the same side with them coincidentally on this issue. Doesn't mean I'll take their opinion into account, doesn't mean I'll sway my own stance for their feelings. But I'm likewise not going to change my view just because they also don't like trannies.
Not a bigger threat, but perhaps an easier one to deal with. And one that does need to be dealt with.
I don't disagree with your premise, just I can't think of anything we're doing anyway that TERFs would support. The closest I thing I can think of is the Trump executive order on trannies, and I guarantee you they voted for the pro-tranny candidate because sacrifices to Moloch are more important to them than going after faggots in dresses.
Again, TERFs are not based. We can do our thing, and ignore them completely. I don't care if they support Trump, or trannies, or feminism, or whatever. Point is, their opinion doesn't matter, in either direction. They like something we want to do? Sure. They don't like it? Sure.