They should just remove the gates and make all subway rides taxpayer funded.
It's just a feature of the city that is required at a certain population density. Like a storm drain system. You don't try to put a pay gate on every puddle, you fund it more generally.
The savings in overhead would be huge. Each one of those turnstyles probably costs 100k. Then the ongoing cost of payment processing, upkeep, etc.
Increased mobility would provide more liquidity in the market. People are traveling to buy things or to work, why price that? You'll get the same or more from their increased labor or purchases.
Decreased friction for tourists who are constantly struggling to learn the system.
The space would be nicer and less prison like. Easier to clean the floor with less corners for grime to collect.
The subway system already runs a constant deficit so stop pretending it's a business.
Enforcement efforts could be moved to behavior on the trains, which matters a lot more to the public than someone skipping out on a $2 fare.
In a high trust society you'd have a valid argument, but New York's subway needs at least a token fee to justify preemptively keeping the degenerates out.
That's literally everything in the US. I think HOAs exist solely to price out blacks and unwanteds. They wouldn't be necessary if people could just legally discriminate against them. The civil rights act has forced the rest of us to live and be in closer proximity to blacks than we want. If there weren't legal consequences I'd wager half of US businesses would outright ban blacks.
You are describing the way it is for criminals right now. The only people who pay are responsible and productive members of society. A loosely enforced law is just a tax on against good people.
Honestly I was ready to disagree but that doesn't sound particularly bad. I think it would be better if it could just be culturally ingrained that the behavior seen in the video is unacceptable and will be punished, but the situation you described is definitely an improvement over the current state of things.
The worry would be once you make a move like that, there's usually no going back.
Culturally ingrained behaviors start with enforcement. Littering was much more common in America until there was a long advertising and enforcement campaign against it (some of this was cynically funded by companies that wanted to keep producing cheap disposable products and not be blamed for the waste, but regardless, behavior still changed). I honestly think even India could be fixed with better leadership. I've seen cats that have been trained to use toilets.
As far as going back to fees, cities have successfully rolled out congestion fees, so charging for driving which was once free. So I don't see why fees couldn't be rolled back in if it became overcrowded. But really, which would be a better use of funds - adding a bunch of fee taking systems to reduce congestion, or adding more trains to the lines?
The new york city budget is over $100B per year, they could have their own space program if they really wanted one. If they need state funds for transit, it's fraud.
To be fair, the media article is about a worthless tiny little semicircle on top of the bars, which the above film clip does not feature, so bias aside, they literally are presenting the item the story in question addresses, while the OP video does not.
One defense I could give for the picture is that they didn't want to give a demonstration of someone jumping over the turnstile.
But then, there are probably countless photos of a (representative) variety of people using the gates properly. So this selection is still strange.
Every LTL option has efficacy issues, but pepper spray is probably the most stopping power even if it has issues with being close ranged/requiring a face shot/possibly getting yourself with it too in enclosed or high air flow areas.
Very much so. This is, at best, someone's ill-conceived tiktok filming themselves breaking the law for clicks and clout, but also possibly simply staged.
They should just remove the gates and make all subway rides taxpayer funded.
It's just a feature of the city that is required at a certain population density. Like a storm drain system. You don't try to put a pay gate on every puddle, you fund it more generally.
The savings in overhead would be huge. Each one of those turnstyles probably costs 100k. Then the ongoing cost of payment processing, upkeep, etc.
Increased mobility would provide more liquidity in the market. People are traveling to buy things or to work, why price that? You'll get the same or more from their increased labor or purchases.
Decreased friction for tourists who are constantly struggling to learn the system.
The space would be nicer and less prison like. Easier to clean the floor with less corners for grime to collect.
The subway system already runs a constant deficit so stop pretending it's a business.
Enforcement efforts could be moved to behavior on the trains, which matters a lot more to the public than someone skipping out on a $2 fare.
In a high trust society you'd have a valid argument, but New York's subway needs at least a token fee to justify preemptively keeping the degenerates out.
I would agree if degenerates were kept out, but they are not. So I think it's time to try something else.
You put the degenerates in the asylum where they belong.
Yes, well, that has to come first.
That's literally everything in the US. I think HOAs exist solely to price out blacks and unwanteds. They wouldn't be necessary if people could just legally discriminate against them. The civil rights act has forced the rest of us to live and be in closer proximity to blacks than we want. If there weren't legal consequences I'd wager half of US businesses would outright ban blacks.
This is, hilariously, what Jordan Peterson's social media site used. It's actually not a bad strategy.
You are describing the way it is for criminals right now. The only people who pay are responsible and productive members of society. A loosely enforced law is just a tax on against good people.
Honestly I was ready to disagree but that doesn't sound particularly bad. I think it would be better if it could just be culturally ingrained that the behavior seen in the video is unacceptable and will be punished, but the situation you described is definitely an improvement over the current state of things.
The worry would be once you make a move like that, there's usually no going back.
Culturally ingrained behaviors start with enforcement. Littering was much more common in America until there was a long advertising and enforcement campaign against it (some of this was cynically funded by companies that wanted to keep producing cheap disposable products and not be blamed for the waste, but regardless, behavior still changed). I honestly think even India could be fixed with better leadership. I've seen cats that have been trained to use toilets.
As far as going back to fees, cities have successfully rolled out congestion fees, so charging for driving which was once free. So I don't see why fees couldn't be rolled back in if it became overcrowded. But really, which would be a better use of funds - adding a bunch of fee taking systems to reduce congestion, or adding more trains to the lines?
The people who govern NYC are evil criminals who hate you and want to steal your money. Does it all make sense now?
yeah but now you're taxing me on the other side of the state for it
unless you have some kind of city-specific thing
The new york city budget is over $100B per year, they could have their own space program if they really wanted one. If they need state funds for transit, it's fraud.
In no way compatible with actual human society. Deport them all.
Here’s the picture the media used :
https://x.com/nypost/status/1889896008919691503
To be fair, the media article is about a worthless tiny little semicircle on top of the bars, which the above film clip does not feature, so bias aside, they literally are presenting the item the story in question addresses, while the OP video does not.
One defense I could give for the picture is that they didn't want to give a demonstration of someone jumping over the turnstile.
But then, there are probably countless photos of a (representative) variety of people using the gates properly. So this selection is still strange.
Lack of diversity in the jumpers.
Hard disagree
Tazers are only 75% effective at best. Use pepper spray.
Every LTL option has efficacy issues, but pepper spray is probably the most stopping power even if it has issues with being close ranged/requiring a face shot/possibly getting yourself with it too in enclosed or high air flow areas.
Tazers are a especially big problem with winter coats, though. that's my big concern.
Very much so. This is, at best, someone's ill-conceived tiktok filming themselves breaking the law for clicks and clout, but also possibly simply staged.