I talked to my friend on the ground over in orange county tonight and he says there's actually enough water, the issue is more that the pumps they have can't accommodate the demand for fighting 4 brush fires simultaneously, it only generates enough pressure to move the water needed to fight 2 simultaneously. So when they say the fire hydrants are dry, it's actually more that there just isn't enough pressure being generated to move the water through the system rather than a lack of water. That's what I'm hearing on the ground at least.
I can believe it. How do you "hoard" water coming off a public utility main though? If this was a normal thing, everyone's pressure would have dropped before any fire started so they would have either stopped them or compensated with higher pressure by now. Also I'm not a plumber but can't they design water mains with valves such that hydrants would always get adequate pressure first? The city should be able to shut off residences during emergencies.
I guess what I'm saying is one business pulling too much from the tap does not excuse poor city and state management that allowed it to happen.
How do you "hoard" water coming off a public utility main though?
You don't. It's a deliberate stretch to make it "muh billionaires" instead of the DEI infested and chronically mismanaged state, county, and local governments of California.
tl;dr, the hydrants at the high elevations are fed by three huge-ass storage tanks. The enormous, constant consumption at the lower elevations were pulling water out of the system and slowing the tank refill rate to below the consumption rate. No tanks = drop in pressure, which made the hydrants at the high elevations insufficient.
It had nothing to due with drought, water ownership, or any of that other bullshit. The most link you'll find is any case where it's "we could have filled some reservoir to a higher level, but didn't because it was too expensive or we sold it."
It's a deliberate stretch to make it "muh billionaires" instead of the DEI infested and chronically mismanaged state, county, and local governments of California.
Oh I'm aware of that. It's the only sort of political problem shitlib californians are capable of ever imagining. Rich greedy fatcats and racisms. But even if it was true, the core problem is still their shitty government which they keep reelecting. Thank you for the technical explanation. That's what I was really curious about.
The moment you see the word: "hoard", assume Leftist propaganda.
When a Leftist says you are "hoarding", they mean to say that they have something they want and will kill you for to give to their clientele groups.
This goes all the way back to the very beginnings of Keynesianism and the justification that every Socialist state made for gold confiscations.
There has always been a claim that, since the economy is a zero-sum game, if people "hoard money", there won't be money that will be given to people who need it. In order to help poor people, the loving and caring communist, goes into the home of wealthy people, shoots their father and mother in the head, rapes their daughters, burns down their house, steals everything that isn't burned down, and then pawns it for pennys on the dollar.
Because "wealthy business men hoard money", the central banks need to print extra money.
Because "people are hoarding gold in their savings", the society can't get that gold to invest in other things.
Because "farmers hoard land", there's not enough space to build more housing.
"Hoarding" is Communist for "Kill this man, rape his children, steal his shit, and burn down his house." It's almost the only reason you will hear it outside of the psychological disorder.
How does a modern state not have emergency power to use water from private property? I assume this is not an honest layout of the problem, and the problem is incompetence / horrible planning.
I'm sure they do. The whining about this family isn't something about the water being on "on private property." They own a ton of almond, pistachio, pomegranate, etc. agriculture in California. At least 175,000 acres. They're also the majority holder of one of the major ground water banks (which was privatized). Their operations use more water than the entire residential usage of LA.
An old article gives a basic outline:
The water that the Resnicks use gets stored underground initially before the water is delivered to the roots of the Resnicks’ pistachios, almonds and pomegranate orchards. Specifically, it is stored in the Kern Water Bank, the most valuable water resource in a region critical to America’s fresh food supply. The water bank, which is a public-private partnership in which the Resnicks own a 57% stake, is a 32-square-mile recharge basin—which looks like floodlands from the street that essentially stores up to 1.5 million acre-feet of water (or 500 billion gallons) underground.
What they're really trying to argue here is that these companies use their water for their operations and the government can't force them to sit on it as a reserve. So it's not about crossing a property line or anything like that. They want them to contract their farmland and use less water annually because the state can't be assed to build more reservoirs.
The fire couldn't be contained because the government guaranteed that the fire couldn't be contained by shit forest management. They also manage their own water poorly, including the snowfall run-off they dumped into the ocean and used for nothing.
And part of the reason they manage their own water poorly is because these rich assholes wanted it that way, because they set the system up to make themselves rich at the expense of everyone else.
Another part is that there are rich assholes who run the Sierra Club who hate the poors and don't want them to have water so they make up some excuse about a fish needing the water instead.
I don't hate the rich like I don't hate the Jews. But there are definitely some rich people just like some Jews that are absolutely some of the most loathsome human beings in existence.
I talked to my friend on the ground over in orange county tonight and he says there's actually enough water, the issue is more that the pumps they have can't accommodate the demand for fighting 4 brush fires simultaneously, it only generates enough pressure to move the water needed to fight 2 simultaneously. So when they say the fire hydrants are dry, it's actually more that there just isn't enough pressure being generated to move the water through the system rather than a lack of water. That's what I'm hearing on the ground at least.
California is such a kleptomanic failed state that even fire hydrants get stolen. It's not just le heckin' rich people—it's all rotten.
I can believe it. How do you "hoard" water coming off a public utility main though? If this was a normal thing, everyone's pressure would have dropped before any fire started so they would have either stopped them or compensated with higher pressure by now. Also I'm not a plumber but can't they design water mains with valves such that hydrants would always get adequate pressure first? The city should be able to shut off residences during emergencies.
I guess what I'm saying is one business pulling too much from the tap does not excuse poor city and state management that allowed it to happen.
You don't. It's a deliberate stretch to make it "muh billionaires" instead of the DEI infested and chronically mismanaged state, county, and local governments of California.
However in this case, it's really a technical issue: https://ktla.com/news/local-news/why-did-fire-hydrants-go-dry-for-crews-fighting-the-palisades-fire/
tl;dr, the hydrants at the high elevations are fed by three huge-ass storage tanks. The enormous, constant consumption at the lower elevations were pulling water out of the system and slowing the tank refill rate to below the consumption rate. No tanks = drop in pressure, which made the hydrants at the high elevations insufficient.
It had nothing to due with drought, water ownership, or any of that other bullshit. The most link you'll find is any case where it's "we could have filled some reservoir to a higher level, but didn't because it was too expensive or we sold it."
I’d bet whatever pumps they’re using to feed those storage tanks probably haven’t had any maintenance done on them in years.
Oh I'm aware of that. It's the only sort of political problem shitlib californians are capable of ever imagining. Rich greedy fatcats and racisms. But even if it was true, the core problem is still their shitty government which they keep reelecting. Thank you for the technical explanation. That's what I was really curious about.
You should watch the video in this link:
https://gab.com/Shazlandia/posts/113799052192167495
It details how the Resnicks own a huge portion of California's water, how they got it (corruption), and how they're screwing over Californians.
Here's a text link with the relevant info if you don't want to watch the video:
https://gab.com/Unakceptabke_views/posts/113797691990863096
Further info which gets funnier and funnier.
The moment you see the word: "hoard", assume Leftist propaganda.
When a Leftist says you are "hoarding", they mean to say that they have something they want and will kill you for to give to their clientele groups.
This goes all the way back to the very beginnings of Keynesianism and the justification that every Socialist state made for gold confiscations.
There has always been a claim that, since the economy is a zero-sum game, if people "hoard money", there won't be money that will be given to people who need it. In order to help poor people, the loving and caring communist, goes into the home of wealthy people, shoots their father and mother in the head, rapes their daughters, burns down their house, steals everything that isn't burned down, and then pawns it for pennys on the dollar.
Because "wealthy business men hoard money", the central banks need to print extra money.
Because "people are hoarding gold in their savings", the society can't get that gold to invest in other things.
Because "farmers hoard land", there's not enough space to build more housing.
"Hoarding" is Communist for "Kill this man, rape his children, steal his shit, and burn down his house." It's almost the only reason you will hear it outside of the psychological disorder.
How does a modern state not have emergency power to use water from private property? I assume this is not an honest layout of the problem, and the problem is incompetence / horrible planning.
I'm sure they do. The whining about this family isn't something about the water being on "on private property." They own a ton of almond, pistachio, pomegranate, etc. agriculture in California. At least 175,000 acres. They're also the majority holder of one of the major ground water banks (which was privatized). Their operations use more water than the entire residential usage of LA.
An old article gives a basic outline:
What they're really trying to argue here is that these companies use their water for their operations and the government can't force them to sit on it as a reserve. So it's not about crossing a property line or anything like that. They want them to contract their farmland and use less water annually because the state can't be assed to build more reservoirs.
who's giving them money to grow water-intensive crops in a scrubland almost-desert?
Every dipshit vegan and environmentalist who demand everyone change over to nut based protein and fucking almond milk.
The fire couldn't be contained because the government guaranteed that the fire couldn't be contained by shit forest management. They also manage their own water poorly, including the snowfall run-off they dumped into the ocean and used for nothing.
And part of the reason they manage their own water poorly is because these rich assholes wanted it that way, because they set the system up to make themselves rich at the expense of everyone else.
Another part is that there are rich assholes who run the Sierra Club who hate the poors and don't want them to have water so they make up some excuse about a fish needing the water instead.
I don't hate the rich like I don't hate the Jews. But there are definitely some rich people just like some Jews that are absolutely some of the most loathsome human beings in existence.
Typical shit where they're trying to deflect off of the state government