Walz hurt them. He's a fuckin weirdo and he is very far from the paragon of masculinity they tried to gaslight him as.
Vance didn't hurt us and probably helped. I don't especially like the fact that he's married to a foreigner but in the Rogan interview he came off as a completely regular guy.
In the end though it was Trump who carried it. He was on fire the last few months.
I'd actually say Vance moved the needle a bit more positively for Trump just because he seems so calm and measured and it also helps that he showed through multiple podcasts it wasn't an act.
Given Trump's history of God-awful appointments, and current rumors that he will give Pompeo a cabinet level position, it's not a stupid thing to worry about. Also, when I argued with him on behalf of Trump, most people here upvoted him and downvoted me. And now you call him retarded? But I can say he's legit and good faith.
Stick to worrying about your own country's politics.
As for Trump's appointments, yeah, there's a major risk there, that has little to do with the OP's question about whether the VP choice impacted people's votes. Trump would have to do something monstrously stupid for the VP pick to impact people's votes, like picking fucking Fauci as his VP or something.
Probably. I can see the MAGA base rationalizing even a Nikki Haley pick, unfortunately. So maybe I agree with you after all, that they generally don't care, but they really should.
You think I give a shit about the upvotes/downvotes of arguments on the internet? Don't attribute the random mass retardation of imbeciles to me when my opinion is clearly fucking different than what you're describing, unless me calling the guy a fearmongering retard wasn't fucking enough for you to comprehend that.
I'm not telling you that you should care about upvotes. Only that he represented more than a 'fearmongering retard'. He believed, in good faith, that Trump would not have much of a chance, and that if he won, he would not accomplish much anyway.
All I know is that you live somewhere in Europe, and I don't generally care about their elections outside of a passing glance at the results, and I certainly don't get involved in any major discussions about their shit. The biggest opinion I'll have on it is "good for them" when shit works out or "that's a shame" when it doesn't.
Ask a random American to name a VP before the year 2000 off the top of their head (excluding Gerald Ford and Al Gore for obvious reasons) and they probably wouldn't be able to do it
Spiro Agnew, Lyndon Johnson, Harry Truman, John Tyler, Aaron Burr, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson.
Those are the ones I can list off the top of my head.
Looking at the list of vice presidents, a surprising number of them later became president, so I wouldn't exactly say people shouldn't care about VP picks.
Vance is the heir apparent to Trump, that is the impact his pick has had. Everyone can see it, and no one seems to object much to it.
Walz was yet another brain dead choice in a long list of brain dead choices made by an incompetent diversity hire of a woman who has never won any major elected office outside of CA. Her loss was only in doubt because of worry about a repeat of 2020 fraud, and the major institutions of the professional class burying the gas pedal into the floor in their attempt to gas light the nation into thinking of her as Presidential material.
The fraud didn't happen, and the major institutions no longer have the credibility to set the Narrative anymore thanks to the way they all blew the backs of their own heads off during COVID spreading misinformation.
You are seeing now why Biden picked her as VP, as a walking talking guarantee to not be 25th Amendmented out of office.
Yes, Vance being the heir apparent is why I think he was picked. I think De Santis might have had a chance if he was more aggressive during the primaries.
I think DeSantis would have had a great chance if he’d just not participated in the primaries at all. Getting in that race was maybe the most braindead career suicide I’ve ever seen. All he had to do was keep doing a good job as the governor of Florida and then point to Florida’s results this election and say “you see how quickly and with how little fuckery we counted our votes? That was me.”
If Josh Shapiro was selected as her running mate, Kackles likely would have had a better chance of winning Pennsylvania. And who knows? That could have had some rippling effects, including giving her the rest of the Rust Belt and with it the win; those states historically tend to vote in tandem. Then again, one thing that killed her campaign was her blatantly retarded way to appeal to both Israel-loyalist Jews, and Gaza-supporting Muzzies which united them both against her and drove them to Trump. Knowing her, if she had Jewish Shapiro by her side, Kackles would have likely doubled-down on getting the Muslim vote, hoping her VP pick alone would get her the Jews, which would have likely resulted in the same thing. She might still have won Pennsylvania, but as we saw with the election, Trump's sweeping of the battleground states ensured it wasn't needed after all.
Walz had no positive or negative effect, Vance definitely had a positive boost. I think that the simple act of Kamala being tied to Biden probably sunk their chances.
I think Vance is compelling enough that he swayed some small number of undecided women towards Trump.
That's about it.
Picking Shapiro might have caused her to lose the election because the Democratic base doesn't want a jew in office anymore, but she wouldn't have done any worse than she already has.
I wish she had picked Shapiro so we could have ruined his political career with hers.
Walz hurt them. He's a fuckin weirdo and he is very far from the paragon of masculinity they tried to gaslight him as.
Vance didn't hurt us and probably helped. I don't especially like the fact that he's married to a foreigner but in the Rogan interview he came off as a completely regular guy.
In the end though it was Trump who carried it. He was on fire the last few months.
I'd actually say Vance moved the needle a bit more positively for Trump just because he seems so calm and measured and it also helps that he showed through multiple podcasts it wasn't an act.
You might want to give a damn if your candidate is a 78-year-old man.
One of our guys was really worried that he would pick Nikki Haley.
Given Trump's history of God-awful appointments, and current rumors that he will give Pompeo a cabinet level position, it's not a stupid thing to worry about. Also, when I argued with him on behalf of Trump, most people here upvoted him and downvoted me. And now you call him retarded? But I can say he's legit and good faith.
Why? You worry about mine.
Probably. I can see the MAGA base rationalizing even a Nikki Haley pick, unfortunately. So maybe I agree with you after all, that they generally don't care, but they really should.
I'm not telling you that you should care about upvotes. Only that he represented more than a 'fearmongering retard'. He believed, in good faith, that Trump would not have much of a chance, and that if he won, he would not accomplish much anyway.
And we appreciate that.
Spiro Agnew, Lyndon Johnson, Harry Truman, John Tyler, Aaron Burr, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson.
Those are the ones I can list off the top of my head.
Looking at the list of vice presidents, a surprising number of them later became president, so I wouldn't exactly say people shouldn't care about VP picks.
No we don't. Nobody here cares what Turkey does.
Vance is the heir apparent to Trump, that is the impact his pick has had. Everyone can see it, and no one seems to object much to it.
Walz was yet another brain dead choice in a long list of brain dead choices made by an incompetent diversity hire of a woman who has never won any major elected office outside of CA. Her loss was only in doubt because of worry about a repeat of 2020 fraud, and the major institutions of the professional class burying the gas pedal into the floor in their attempt to gas light the nation into thinking of her as Presidential material.
The fraud didn't happen, and the major institutions no longer have the credibility to set the Narrative anymore thanks to the way they all blew the backs of their own heads off during COVID spreading misinformation.
You are seeing now why Biden picked her as VP, as a walking talking guarantee to not be 25th Amendmented out of office.
Yes, Vance being the heir apparent is why I think he was picked. I think De Santis might have had a chance if he was more aggressive during the primaries.
I think DeSantis would have had a great chance if he’d just not participated in the primaries at all. Getting in that race was maybe the most braindead career suicide I’ve ever seen. All he had to do was keep doing a good job as the governor of Florida and then point to Florida’s results this election and say “you see how quickly and with how little fuckery we counted our votes? That was me.”
If Josh Shapiro was selected as her running mate, Kackles likely would have had a better chance of winning Pennsylvania. And who knows? That could have had some rippling effects, including giving her the rest of the Rust Belt and with it the win; those states historically tend to vote in tandem. Then again, one thing that killed her campaign was her blatantly retarded way to appeal to both Israel-loyalist Jews, and Gaza-supporting Muzzies which united them both against her and drove them to Trump. Knowing her, if she had Jewish Shapiro by her side, Kackles would have likely doubled-down on getting the Muslim vote, hoping her VP pick alone would get her the Jews, which would have likely resulted in the same thing. She might still have won Pennsylvania, but as we saw with the election, Trump's sweeping of the battleground states ensured it wasn't needed after all.
Walz had no positive or negative effect, Vance definitely had a positive boost. I think that the simple act of Kamala being tied to Biden probably sunk their chances.
I think Vance is compelling enough that he swayed some small number of undecided women towards Trump.
That's about it.
Picking Shapiro might have caused her to lose the election because the Democratic base doesn't want a jew in office anymore, but she wouldn't have done any worse than she already has.
I wish she had picked Shapiro so we could have ruined his political career with hers.
I don't know enough about him to know if he would have gained her Pennsylvania. Trump still wins without PA, though.