Sweden says Iran was behind thousands of SMS to Swedes calling for revenge over 2023 Quran burnings
Sweden says that Iran was behind thousands of text messages that were sent to people in the Scandinavian country calling for revenge over the burnings of Quran, Islam’s holy book in 2023
Western countries should decide if they want free speech or blasphemy laws.
Most European countries already made that choice, though they call their blasphemy laws by other terms like "hate speech" or "holocaust denial".
I think it is rather unfair to compare blasphemy and heresy laws to what Europe has now.
People in the Middle Ages believed that heresy would damn the soul of the people and bring down divine wrath on the community. Their worldview is consistent with advocating for punishment for heretics.
On the other hand, modern European speech suppression laws are nothing more than an exercise of the will to power. It is not even consistent with their own worldview of "BUT HOW DOES IT AFFECT YOU PERSONALLY?"
There is also a great eagerness to punish people and torture them (see the Jan 6 protesters), which was not the case for the Inquisitions.
Well, what the UK is doing is very much pushing hard on Blasphemy laws. The whole "praying in your own head is disorderly conduct that others find threatening" is just the biggest possible reach that I've ever seen.
There's a rather popular right wing German youtuber who recently got hold as a terrorist by the UK because he is right wing and was on a right wing conference. You are not part of the club you are evil and they WILL treat you thr worst way possible. See what they do with Cod Comedy TJ who to this day is being harassed for making fun of Saint Floyd and other (in his words) autistic shit on the internet. They absolutely have blasphemy laws already, just named differently.
Yes, the Left see us as deontologically evil.
Ah, well, it won't remain the biggest possible reach you've ever seen if you keep paying attention to what happens in the UK.
I've long said that it's the biggest shithole in Europe, and people didn't believe me because they had an unduly favorable view of the country due to Brexit. But Brexit doesn't help you much when you're, if it's even possible, worse than the EU.
Counter-point: Albania exists.
The UK deserves our MAGA convoys to liberate them, because it is where the hive of Fabian Socialism has rooted itself.
Government repression of this kind is certainly less in Albania, and probably every other European country including Russia and Belarus, than in the UK.
Germany is also awful but somewhat less draconian than the UK.
If you want to liberate the UK, be my guest. Hell, as long as you're not the kind of American that brings transgenderism, BLM and wokeism, you might liber....
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And today people believe that "hate speech" leads to genocidal ideologies and mass murder. Heresy laws were for protecting the churches power. Hate speech laws are for protecting the globalists power. What exactly is the difference there?
Are you serious? Do you honestly believe that "heretics" were not eagerly hunted, tortured and murdered?
A justification is something different from an actual belief. Not to mention that this idea is easily empirically disproven. Of course, you cannot disprove that heresy leads to whatever, but it is possible to hold that view sincerely, and many - in fact, most - did.
Reasoning from the effect, it is indeed similar. But it's also different in other ways.
I know this is a popular view, because most people's "knowledge" of the Inquisitions comes from a black legend rather than actual works of history. But it happens not to be true. Insofar as the hunting goes, yes, the torture and murder certainly not. Inquisitors often went to extraordinary lengths to save someone's life, and I know this must seem to you that I'm saying that up is down, but if you're interested in the citations I'll certainly provide some for you.
It is an actual belief for the masses. Not for the ones at the top but it is extremely unlikely that the heads of church were any different in that regard.
Not really. Both stems from religious fanaticism. They look different but at their core they're the same.
It is one thing to not buy into the over the top story of the Inquisition running around Europe and burning everyone but to pretend the extreme opposite is just as ridiculous. They did the same thing the Inquisitors of today do. Recant and bow down to the supreme authority or you're life will be ruined. But even if you backed down it didn't mean to you wouldn't end up in prison for a long time. Just as today.
I think that was largely different. Even if you take the most notorious examples, the Borgias, they did actually believe in the religion.
As for the masses, I don't think anyone actually believes that "hate speech" leads to mass murder. Even those who do, don't believe that a single instance of "hate speech" does, as heresy did for the medievals.
Well no, they were 'burning people'. My point is that they were no doing so with glee, but rather trying rather hard to not kill people. Their aim was almost always to, as they saw it, save the soul of the so called heretic. I see that as being quite different from modern wokeists, where the cruelty often is the point.
Execution was regarded as a failure on their part.
That's all. I'm not saying "they were good guys", or whatever you might think.
True. I do view things differently in a premodern, pre-industrialized society which was heavily religious and actually took religion seriously.
That may very well be true but it doesn't change the fact that the clerical caste purposefully used its position to amass vast wealth to live in luxury while the peasants starved. Their belief that it was their divine right doesn't make it any better. It makes no difference. The Church has always been deeply corrupt.
They do. Otherwise they'd have no reason to be so fanatical about it. The people in charge don't think it leads to genocide but they are painfully aware that it'll inevitably lead to their demise.
Which in the end amounted to forcing everyone to bow down to their authority by threat of violence, torture and death. Believing you're doing the right thing doesn't make your actions any less despicable.
Cruelty isn't often the point. Cruelty is usually a means to an end. The January 6th prosecutions are meant as a deterrent. To terrorize everyone into towing the line. Just like the Church ruled through fear so does the current establishment. Doesn't matter if it is the fear of earthly punishment, divine punishment, nuclear armageddon, the next made up pandemic or the rise of the next iteration of everyone's favorite boogeyman Hitler.
Fear and terror is incredibly effective at stopping people from thinking for themselves. Let's take the Red Terror in Russia as an example. If the Russians had actually resisted and started communist terror squads every chance they got instead of cowering in fear despite vastly outnumbering them the communists could have never succeeded.
Blasphemy laws come in many flavors. Try making comments critical of OUR GREATEST ALLY and see how many defenders come crawling out of
the tunnels in New York Citythe woodwork.IMHO the choice is more between free speech and mass immigration.
The stage continues to be set for justifying war with Iran. The powers that be really want this to pop off before Nov.
Yeah I highly doubt these Muslims needed Iran to tell them the shit they hear every day in the mosques propped up all over their newly conquered territory, but that sure makes a nice scapegoat for the next forever war
Iran sending massive SMSs calling for terrorism in Sweden looks more that it is Iran searching for a confrontation with other countries to gather support for their Islamic dictatorship at home.
They do, but it's not like Iran doesn't have information operations or irregular warfare efforts.
And if it's all true? Then what?
Are you going to claim Iran et al aren't our enemy still?
Iran's enemy is my enemy
Only I have the brains to rule Lylat.
Found a member of the retard brigade. Enjoy getting snackbar'd, faggot.
You didn't learn from Iraq, did you? It's funny how the war mongering always targets Israels biggest enemy at the time.
It's really weird how Iran chants death to america and the stormfags come out in support of them.
Sure activates the almonds...
The US destabilizes the region, kills millions, carpet bombs several countries, supports and arms terrorists and makes sure her greatest ally who routinely, acts hostile against her interests, can do whatever she wants without consequences.
It is really a mystery why Arabs and Persians dislike the US, Mr. Rabbi.
It's really weird how no matter what we do they hate us, and want us all dead and to rape our kids.
It's like they were founded by a violent pedo and have been trying to conquer the world ever sense. Strange how history makes my point and proves you wrong.
And I'm still not a jew, but they live rent free in your head. You retards can't imagine a world in which you're wrong, because your entire worldview is based on jews evil/bad/control everything. It'd be embarrassing, if you were self aware enough to feel shame. But you're not. Just another low iq leftist cult.
Iran is a backwater shithole that somehow has the 1337357 (leetest) of hackers under their employ. Same with the gas station with nukes, Russia.
Makes you wonder what the fuck our own cybersecurity Experts™ are doing, and why we aren't sanctioning them harder.
Please no redeem, saar!
Russia is currently the most sanctioned country in the world. Its economy hasn't noticed.
How will they survive without our green pieces of paper?
They'll never have fulfillment in life if they don't get to see Disney Marvel's Disney+ Original Series Agatha All Along!
Given how most euro states are cucked beyond reasonable doubt, it isn't a hard thing to pull off once you get an insider.
Or probably not even that since the protocols used for mobile communications(think SMS and phone calls) are about as secure as the Schengen Area. From the outside looks secure, but if someone lets you in(and would not be unreasonable for Iranian or Russian phone operators to have roaming deals connecting them with the rest of the worlds phone systems despite the sanctions), it's an all you can eat bouffet.
"Send text message" is really not that 1337 of a hax0r.
Georgia actually crippled some of Russia's telecom infrastructure during the Russian invasion of Georgia (the nation, not the state). Didn't help them win the war, but they still did it.
You think the soulless, voting bugmen know the difference? This story is yet another exercise in manufacturing consent—point to the dangers of Iranian/Russian/Anyone-Israel-Doesn't-Likeistani black hats attacking the grid/banks/cellphones, and why we need to ban Internet anonymity and push for Central Bank Digital Currency.
No, but we're not supposed to be bugmen here, and I want to include a bit of nuance into the consideration.
Iran is certainly capable of pulling stunts the stunts that they've been accused of, whether or not they are actually doing them, and whether or not they are casus belli for war.
Brown Muslims are NOT Swedes
Almost like importing a violent culture that has no need or motivation to respect the host culture has downsides or something
This is true for a lot of cultures that are imported.
Iran really has nothing better to do.
"Moe's Tavern, Moe speaking."
"Hang on, let me check."
"HEY GUYS, SHUT UP! It's the Iranian Ambassador. He says he needs to speak to Amanda Hugginkiss? Has anybody seen Amanda Hugginkiss? Come on, guys! I need Amanda Hugginkiss for the Iranian Ambassador!"
"... wait a minute... WHY YOU LITTLE! If I ever get my hands on you, I'll cut your fuckin' dick off! ... what do you mean that's already state policy for that?'
It's state policy for both countries...
"SMS to Swedes". I'm guessing these texts were for the new Swedes the EU drop shipped into the country over the last decade.