I think it is rather unfair to compare blasphemy and heresy laws to what Europe has now.
People in the Middle Ages believed that heresy would damn the soul of the people and bring down divine wrath on the community. Their worldview is consistent with advocating for punishment for heretics.
On the other hand, modern European speech suppression laws are nothing more than an exercise of the will to power. It is not even consistent with their own worldview of "BUT HOW DOES IT AFFECT YOU PERSONALLY?"
There is also a great eagerness to punish people and torture them (see the Jan 6 protesters), which was not the case for the Inquisitions.
Well, what the UK is doing is very much pushing hard on Blasphemy laws. The whole "praying in your own head is disorderly conduct that others find threatening" is just the biggest possible reach that I've ever seen.
There's a rather popular right wing German youtuber who recently got hold as a terrorist by the UK because he is right wing and was on a right wing conference. You are not part of the club you are evil and they WILL treat you thr worst way possible. See what they do with Cod Comedy TJ who to this day is being harassed for making fun of Saint Floyd and other (in his words) autistic shit on the internet. They absolutely have blasphemy laws already, just named differently.
Ah, well, it won't remain the biggest possible reach you've ever seen if you keep paying attention to what happens in the UK.
I've long said that it's the biggest shithole in Europe, and people didn't believe me because they had an unduly favorable view of the country due to Brexit. But Brexit doesn't help you much when you're, if it's even possible, worse than the EU.
Government repression of this kind is certainly less in Albania, and probably every other European country including Russia and Belarus, than in the UK.
Germany is also awful but somewhat less draconian than the UK.
If you want to liberate the UK, be my guest. Hell, as long as you're not the kind of American that brings transgenderism, BLM and wokeism, you might liber....
And today people believe that "hate speech" leads to genocidal ideologies and mass murder.
Heresy laws were for protecting the churches power. Hate speech laws are for protecting the globalists power. What exactly is the difference there?
There is also a great eagerness to punish people and torture them (see the Jan 6 protesters), which was not the case for the Inquisitions.
Are you serious? Do you honestly believe that "heretics" were not eagerly hunted, tortured and murdered?
And today people believe that "hate speech" leads to genocidal ideologies and mass murder.
A justification is something different from an actual belief. Not to mention that this idea is easily empirically disproven. Of course, you cannot disprove that heresy leads to whatever, but it is possible to hold that view sincerely, and many - in fact, most - did.
Heresy laws were for protecting the churches power. Hate speech laws are for protecting the globalists power. What exactly is the difference there?
Reasoning from the effect, it is indeed similar. But it's also different in other ways.
Are you serious? Do you honestly believe that "heretics" were not eagerly hunted, tortured and murdered?
I know this is a popular view, because most people's "knowledge" of the Inquisitions comes from a black legend rather than actual works of history. But it happens not to be true. Insofar as the hunting goes, yes, the torture and murder certainly not. Inquisitors often went to extraordinary lengths to save someone's life, and I know this must seem to you that I'm saying that up is down, but if you're interested in the citations I'll certainly provide some for you.
A justification is something different from an actual belief.
It is an actual belief for the masses. Not for the ones at the top but it is extremely unlikely that the heads of church were any different in that regard.
But it's also different in other ways.
Not really. Both stems from religious fanaticism. They look different but at their core they're the same.
Insofar as the hunting goes, yes, the torture and murder certainly not. Inquisitors often went to extraordinary lengths to save someone's life
It is one thing to not buy into the over the top story of the Inquisition running around Europe and burning everyone but to pretend the extreme opposite is just as ridiculous. They did the same thing the Inquisitors of today do. Recant and bow down to the supreme authority or you're life will be ruined. But even if you backed down it didn't mean to you wouldn't end up in prison for a long time. Just as today.
It is an actual belief for the masses. Not for the ones at the top but it is extremely unlikely that the heads of church were any different in that regard.
I think that was largely different. Even if you take the most notorious examples, the Borgias, they did actually believe in the religion.
As for the masses, I don't think anyone actually believes that "hate speech" leads to mass murder. Even those who do, don't believe that a single instance of "hate speech" does, as heresy did for the medievals.
It is one thing to not buy into the over the top story of the Inquisition running around Europe and burning everyone but to pretend the extreme opposite is just as ridiculous.
Well no, they were 'burning people'. My point is that they were no doing so with glee, but rather trying rather hard to not kill people. Their aim was almost always to, as they saw it, save the soul of the so called heretic. I see that as being quite different from modern wokeists, where the cruelty often is the point.
Execution was regarded as a failure on their part.
That's all. I'm not saying "they were good guys", or whatever you might think.
But even if you backed down it didn't mean to you wouldn't end up in prison for a long time. Just as today.
True. I do view things differently in a premodern, pre-industrialized society which was heavily religious and actually took religion seriously.
I think it is rather unfair to compare blasphemy and heresy laws to what Europe has now.
People in the Middle Ages believed that heresy would damn the soul of the people and bring down divine wrath on the community. Their worldview is consistent with advocating for punishment for heretics.
On the other hand, modern European speech suppression laws are nothing more than an exercise of the will to power. It is not even consistent with their own worldview of "BUT HOW DOES IT AFFECT YOU PERSONALLY?"
There is also a great eagerness to punish people and torture them (see the Jan 6 protesters), which was not the case for the Inquisitions.
Well, what the UK is doing is very much pushing hard on Blasphemy laws. The whole "praying in your own head is disorderly conduct that others find threatening" is just the biggest possible reach that I've ever seen.
There's a rather popular right wing German youtuber who recently got hold as a terrorist by the UK because he is right wing and was on a right wing conference. You are not part of the club you are evil and they WILL treat you thr worst way possible. See what they do with Cod Comedy TJ who to this day is being harassed for making fun of Saint Floyd and other (in his words) autistic shit on the internet. They absolutely have blasphemy laws already, just named differently.
Yes, the Left see us as deontologically evil.
Ah, well, it won't remain the biggest possible reach you've ever seen if you keep paying attention to what happens in the UK.
I've long said that it's the biggest shithole in Europe, and people didn't believe me because they had an unduly favorable view of the country due to Brexit. But Brexit doesn't help you much when you're, if it's even possible, worse than the EU.
Counter-point: Albania exists.
The UK deserves our MAGA convoys to liberate them, because it is where the hive of Fabian Socialism has rooted itself.
Government repression of this kind is certainly less in Albania, and probably every other European country including Russia and Belarus, than in the UK.
Germany is also awful but somewhat less draconian than the UK.
If you want to liberate the UK, be my guest. Hell, as long as you're not the kind of American that brings transgenderism, BLM and wokeism, you might liber....
And today people believe that "hate speech" leads to genocidal ideologies and mass murder. Heresy laws were for protecting the churches power. Hate speech laws are for protecting the globalists power. What exactly is the difference there?
Are you serious? Do you honestly believe that "heretics" were not eagerly hunted, tortured and murdered?
A justification is something different from an actual belief. Not to mention that this idea is easily empirically disproven. Of course, you cannot disprove that heresy leads to whatever, but it is possible to hold that view sincerely, and many - in fact, most - did.
Reasoning from the effect, it is indeed similar. But it's also different in other ways.
I know this is a popular view, because most people's "knowledge" of the Inquisitions comes from a black legend rather than actual works of history. But it happens not to be true. Insofar as the hunting goes, yes, the torture and murder certainly not. Inquisitors often went to extraordinary lengths to save someone's life, and I know this must seem to you that I'm saying that up is down, but if you're interested in the citations I'll certainly provide some for you.
It is an actual belief for the masses. Not for the ones at the top but it is extremely unlikely that the heads of church were any different in that regard.
Not really. Both stems from religious fanaticism. They look different but at their core they're the same.
It is one thing to not buy into the over the top story of the Inquisition running around Europe and burning everyone but to pretend the extreme opposite is just as ridiculous. They did the same thing the Inquisitors of today do. Recant and bow down to the supreme authority or you're life will be ruined. But even if you backed down it didn't mean to you wouldn't end up in prison for a long time. Just as today.
I think that was largely different. Even if you take the most notorious examples, the Borgias, they did actually believe in the religion.
As for the masses, I don't think anyone actually believes that "hate speech" leads to mass murder. Even those who do, don't believe that a single instance of "hate speech" does, as heresy did for the medievals.
Well no, they were 'burning people'. My point is that they were no doing so with glee, but rather trying rather hard to not kill people. Their aim was almost always to, as they saw it, save the soul of the so called heretic. I see that as being quite different from modern wokeists, where the cruelty often is the point.
Execution was regarded as a failure on their part.
That's all. I'm not saying "they were good guys", or whatever you might think.
True. I do view things differently in a premodern, pre-industrialized society which was heavily religious and actually took religion seriously.