And today people believe that "hate speech" leads to genocidal ideologies and mass murder.
A justification is something different from an actual belief. Not to mention that this idea is easily empirically disproven. Of course, you cannot disprove that heresy leads to whatever, but it is possible to hold that view sincerely, and many - in fact, most - did.
Heresy laws were for protecting the churches power. Hate speech laws are for protecting the globalists power. What exactly is the difference there?
Reasoning from the effect, it is indeed similar. But it's also different in other ways.
Are you serious? Do you honestly believe that "heretics" were not eagerly hunted, tortured and murdered?
I know this is a popular view, because most people's "knowledge" of the Inquisitions comes from a black legend rather than actual works of history. But it happens not to be true. Insofar as the hunting goes, yes, the torture and murder certainly not. Inquisitors often went to extraordinary lengths to save someone's life, and I know this must seem to you that I'm saying that up is down, but if you're interested in the citations I'll certainly provide some for you.
A justification is something different from an actual belief.
It is an actual belief for the masses. Not for the ones at the top but it is extremely unlikely that the heads of church were any different in that regard.
But it's also different in other ways.
Not really. Both stems from religious fanaticism. They look different but at their core they're the same.
Insofar as the hunting goes, yes, the torture and murder certainly not. Inquisitors often went to extraordinary lengths to save someone's life
It is one thing to not buy into the over the top story of the Inquisition running around Europe and burning everyone but to pretend the extreme opposite is just as ridiculous. They did the same thing the Inquisitors of today do. Recant and bow down to the supreme authority or you're life will be ruined. But even if you backed down it didn't mean to you wouldn't end up in prison for a long time. Just as today.
It is an actual belief for the masses. Not for the ones at the top but it is extremely unlikely that the heads of church were any different in that regard.
I think that was largely different. Even if you take the most notorious examples, the Borgias, they did actually believe in the religion.
As for the masses, I don't think anyone actually believes that "hate speech" leads to mass murder. Even those who do, don't believe that a single instance of "hate speech" does, as heresy did for the medievals.
It is one thing to not buy into the over the top story of the Inquisition running around Europe and burning everyone but to pretend the extreme opposite is just as ridiculous.
Well no, they were 'burning people'. My point is that they were no doing so with glee, but rather trying rather hard to not kill people. Their aim was almost always to, as they saw it, save the soul of the so called heretic. I see that as being quite different from modern wokeists, where the cruelty often is the point.
Execution was regarded as a failure on their part.
That's all. I'm not saying "they were good guys", or whatever you might think.
But even if you backed down it didn't mean to you wouldn't end up in prison for a long time. Just as today.
True. I do view things differently in a premodern, pre-industrialized society which was heavily religious and actually took religion seriously.
Even if you take the most notorious examples, the Borgias, they did actually believe in the religion.
That may very well be true but it doesn't change the fact that the clerical caste purposefully used its position to amass vast wealth to live in luxury while the peasants starved. Their belief that it was their divine right doesn't make it any better. It makes no difference. The Church has always been deeply corrupt.
I don't think anyone actually believes that "hate speech" leads to mass murder.
They do. Otherwise they'd have no reason to be so fanatical about it. The people in charge don't think it leads to genocide but they are painfully aware that it'll inevitably lead to their demise.
save the soul of the so called heretic
Which in the end amounted to forcing everyone to bow down to their authority by threat of violence, torture and death. Believing you're doing the right thing doesn't make your actions any less despicable.
I see that as being quite different from modern wokeists, where the cruelty often is the point.
Cruelty isn't often the point. Cruelty is usually a means to an end. The January 6th prosecutions are meant as a deterrent. To terrorize everyone into towing the line. Just like the Church ruled through fear so does the current establishment. Doesn't matter if it is the fear of earthly punishment, divine punishment, nuclear armageddon, the next made up pandemic or the rise of the next iteration of everyone's favorite boogeyman Hitler.
Fear and terror is incredibly effective at stopping people from thinking for themselves. Let's take the Red Terror in Russia as an example. If the Russians had actually resisted and started communist terror squads every chance they got instead of cowering in fear despite vastly outnumbering them the communists could have never succeeded.
A justification is something different from an actual belief. Not to mention that this idea is easily empirically disproven. Of course, you cannot disprove that heresy leads to whatever, but it is possible to hold that view sincerely, and many - in fact, most - did.
Reasoning from the effect, it is indeed similar. But it's also different in other ways.
I know this is a popular view, because most people's "knowledge" of the Inquisitions comes from a black legend rather than actual works of history. But it happens not to be true. Insofar as the hunting goes, yes, the torture and murder certainly not. Inquisitors often went to extraordinary lengths to save someone's life, and I know this must seem to you that I'm saying that up is down, but if you're interested in the citations I'll certainly provide some for you.
It is an actual belief for the masses. Not for the ones at the top but it is extremely unlikely that the heads of church were any different in that regard.
Not really. Both stems from religious fanaticism. They look different but at their core they're the same.
It is one thing to not buy into the over the top story of the Inquisition running around Europe and burning everyone but to pretend the extreme opposite is just as ridiculous. They did the same thing the Inquisitors of today do. Recant and bow down to the supreme authority or you're life will be ruined. But even if you backed down it didn't mean to you wouldn't end up in prison for a long time. Just as today.
I think that was largely different. Even if you take the most notorious examples, the Borgias, they did actually believe in the religion.
As for the masses, I don't think anyone actually believes that "hate speech" leads to mass murder. Even those who do, don't believe that a single instance of "hate speech" does, as heresy did for the medievals.
Well no, they were 'burning people'. My point is that they were no doing so with glee, but rather trying rather hard to not kill people. Their aim was almost always to, as they saw it, save the soul of the so called heretic. I see that as being quite different from modern wokeists, where the cruelty often is the point.
Execution was regarded as a failure on their part.
That's all. I'm not saying "they were good guys", or whatever you might think.
True. I do view things differently in a premodern, pre-industrialized society which was heavily religious and actually took religion seriously.
That may very well be true but it doesn't change the fact that the clerical caste purposefully used its position to amass vast wealth to live in luxury while the peasants starved. Their belief that it was their divine right doesn't make it any better. It makes no difference. The Church has always been deeply corrupt.
They do. Otherwise they'd have no reason to be so fanatical about it. The people in charge don't think it leads to genocide but they are painfully aware that it'll inevitably lead to their demise.
Which in the end amounted to forcing everyone to bow down to their authority by threat of violence, torture and death. Believing you're doing the right thing doesn't make your actions any less despicable.
Cruelty isn't often the point. Cruelty is usually a means to an end. The January 6th prosecutions are meant as a deterrent. To terrorize everyone into towing the line. Just like the Church ruled through fear so does the current establishment. Doesn't matter if it is the fear of earthly punishment, divine punishment, nuclear armageddon, the next made up pandemic or the rise of the next iteration of everyone's favorite boogeyman Hitler.
Fear and terror is incredibly effective at stopping people from thinking for themselves. Let's take the Red Terror in Russia as an example. If the Russians had actually resisted and started communist terror squads every chance they got instead of cowering in fear despite vastly outnumbering them the communists could have never succeeded.