If leftists don't go around claiming that Antifa are feds to make the left look bad

You're operating under the assumption that the left thinks there's anything wrong with the optics of Antifa.

Once and a while someone does blame "right wing instigators." But note that they don't mean the whole group is feds. They mean they think a secret fascist in their midst threw one brick and the rest of the mob were poor innocent victims who couldn't help but follow along.

“No enemies to the left, no friends to the right.”

This has been the case since at least the 70s. Conservatives spend infinite effort and resources disavowing the “problematic” elements of their movements while leftists act in total solidarity with even the most extreme elements of the left.

Look at how many moderate lefties objected to tranny strippers performing for children. Virtually zero. Compare that to the number of conservatives who bend over backwards to prove they aren’t aligned with any white person who even hints at a purely defensive identity politics. Virtually all.

This is one of the biggest reasons why leftists win. They empower criminals and degenerates to function as paramilitary thugs for the cause.

Leftists agree with Antifa's goals and tactics. Right wingers (centrists, really, but that's another discussion) disagree with Patriot Fronts goals and/or tactics. It ultimately boils down to this.

Americans (and the west in general) have been brainwashed to believe that any form of nationalism or "white" collectivism are not just bad, but evil. This results in people desperately trying to distance themselves from anyone overtly supporting these positions and pushing the overton window ever leftward. Just look at how any time a "far right" party gets enough votes anywhere in Europe to require a coalition government, that rather than the "moderate right" and centrist parties forming a coalition with the "far right" and tempering the "bad" parts of their policies, they form a coalition with the left.

[T]he right wing would be better served if they said Antifa were feds instead, [they're] not an organic movement

This isn't true though. They have outsized power due to support from people with resources, and the refusal of government officials to punish them for their criminal behavior, but they aren't feds. They're all private citizens that legitimately hold they beliefs they profess.

[I]f you don't trust [patriot front] you don't have to support them, but going around screaming that they are feds is counterproductive

It's not counter-productive, it's status quo. The dissident right cannot be overt on anything close to a national scale yet (and likely won't be able to for generations, barring a seismic political shift.) They must use 'insurgent' tactics in the culture war; when they stage obviously inorganic public demonstrations, that doesn't help (and it's why they get called feds.)

The Brown shirts of Germany were not feds of the Weimar government. Japan's Shield society movement (Tatenokai ) were not feds.

Can we stop trying to assume different cultures of different countries can directly relate to one another ESPECIALLY when two have higher degrees of ingrained conformity compared to America's high individuality?

Let's look at antifa for example, sure they all wear masks and dress in black but notice something else? They're NOT in a standardised uniform, it's what they made themselves. Patriot Front ARE in a standardised uniform indicating that they have a supply chain so that's extremely easy to track. Second, why is there no outliers? Even antifa has the few danger hairs showing, the obviously not passing trannys or the land whale that if they tripped would recreate the boulder scene from Indiana Jones...

It screams psy op as the effectiveness of a protest is showing that this is the CIVILIAN population showing their discontent, you can wear masks that's fine but the uniforms create a barrier especially in an individualist society like the US that create anxiety.

for one, antifa are actually dangerous with a body count and arson rap. Patriot Front are just a bunch of pussies posing for the camera.

for two, the left is actually crazy. they genuinely believe anything and everything is permissible so long as they win. the right is more principled, and as such will be more active in weeding out bad apples within their movement.

and for three, I have no doubt there are feds with antifa. the left just doesn't care. the right does care, as we should, because feds are nothing but trouble. if they're not infiltrating to find excuses to create political prisoners, they are actively sabotaging the movement by being comically scary while the cameras are rolling.

Patriot Front are faggots.

because the left doesn't have to. they have state support.

Because you know who is Antifa, antifa pretty much proudly declare they're antifa. They have it in their twitter bios. no one knows wtf the front is

unless they have an actual fucking geass working , there should have been leaks

Also, right wingers do try to identify antifa so I have NO fucking idea what you're looking at but during the antifa riots , right wing twitter was asking if people knew who those people who assaulted ngo and others were.

Ffs, there are people who actively called to identify the woman who stopped a predator hunter from confronting a brown gay pedo.

If you are so paralyzed with fear that someone is gonna call you a Fed then you weren't going to go out and challenge the status quo by standing up to begin with.

PF isn't violent the way Antifa is because the feds need and excuse to release all their own people back out onto the streets with few charges. Police Explorers can't go back to their college programs if they are sitting in jail. This is also why there are no mugshots.

Most of Antifa are not feds because they are already the direct children of the members of the establishment. Same thing with Just Stop Oil. You had journalists firebombing police cars. The political violence on the Left is something the media is prepared to ignore or endorse. Political Violence on the Right, which is what you are insinuating by comparing them to Tatenokai & Brown Shirts, is something the feds know can be used to promote a crackdown on the right, and there has to be timing for it.

We don't need to dox Antifa because we have all their mugshots. We write books about them. They're literally employed by The New York Times. The media directly works with them. In fact, in Ireland, news anchors were literally giving them instructions and guidance on what to do and what to say. We can dox them, it just doesn't have much effect because it's explicitly approved.

Doxing PF is important because one of the most effective ways we can destroy these candidate's law enforcement careers is by outing them to their university comrades.

But regardless , if you don't trust them you don't have to support them, but going around screaming that they are feds is counterproductive and scares people away from making any real action or active movement in fear that they would be called "feds".

I only see faggots screaming we need to trust this group that has been nothing but a net benefit to the establishment or they'll block us. For all their faults, at least the Proud Boys and Groypers can be said to have had some positive influence.

Progs do, when they feel like they have to perform for normies. In 2020, they repeatedly claimed that rioters were being led by "agent provocateurs" who were police of some variety, though they didn't usually go into specifics. Usually they blame local police, rather than feds, but it's still the same basic idea.

And unlike Patriot Front or any other kind of right-wing group that seemingly manifests from the aether whenever the media needs a boogeyman, you can pretty easily find actual human beings with traceable activity outside of Antifa, who describe themselves as Antifa.