https://rumble.com/v4ng5sr-njf-on-marriage.html
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summary:
- you can't take risks
- you can't trade your comfort for resources toward a greater goal
- women have absolute legal power
- women have no obligations or duties in how they behave
- most of the masculinity exhibited by married men is performative and trivial
- every mechanism to control a wife's behavior is seen as "abuse"
Even knowing all of this, and generally agreeing with it, I still think the costs and sacrifices are worth it as long as you go in for the purposes of having children. Unless you are an incel genius like Isaac Newton or Nikolai Tesla then producing those children and doing your best to impart your values on to them, in spite of everything arrayed against you, is your "greater purpose".
They don't have to be categorically bad for marriage to be a shitty investment. The probable downside just has to exceed the probable upside. With a 50% chance of divorce rape and a significant chunk of marriages that last being miserable the odds are not in a man's favor. That doesn't even account for the magnitude of the rewards of a good outcome being massively exceeded by the horrific punishments that a bad outcome entails.
You don't have a 50% chance of divorce rape. That stat always includes people who get married and divorced multiple times.
Make your own decision in regard to marriage. I agree that there are some huge potential pitfalls to avoid and for some it's better not to marry. But the answer isn't as black and white as the mgtow crowd makes it out to be.
It also just looks at stats as a single dot on a graph without considering a single other possible data point.
Such as, many of the same studies have shown that women with 0 prior partners to marriage jump it up to between 70-90% success rates of marriage depending on the income, area, and race. But even having 1 prior drops it by close to 20% with the numbers just getting more dire from there until around 5+ premarital fucks leaves it below 20% success rate.
You can never just look at a single statistic and then base your entire life on the simplicity of it. You must always be dissecting it until you can properly prove how worthless it is (this applies to all meme stats).
From what I saw the only thing that reduces the risk to anywhere near acceptable levels is marrying a virgin, and thanks to the cock carousel a unicorn is easier to find than an 18 year old virgin.
Right. I won't debate the essay level discussion of puritanism and virginity, because that can go on forever.
But a 5+ partner girl marrying for the first time is nearly a guaranteed failure, and will drag down the average immensely. Considering how many women are in that 5+ category long before their first marriage, of course the average overall will be pathetically low.
That average being low also has no effect on your low body count girlfriend and her prospects for marriage. Its not 50% for every girl individually, its 50% for them as a whole.
Basically, everyone needs to read deeper into their stats before they integrate them into their belief sets. Even if they play perfectly into what you want them to say.
That stat includes boomers. That's the biggest reason why it's not valid. Turns out the generation that sold us all up the river and constantly cheated on each other at every opportunity, is skewing the divorce rate.
You know, someone ought to study whether weed impairs pair bonding, because I kinda think it might. That'd go a long way to explaining why their feckless generation is the way it is.
Boomers also bore the brunt of the wave of divorce rapes that followed the legalization of no fault divorce. So many evil whores only loved their husband's resources and not their husbands. When the law gave them an opportunity to destroy their husbands' lives and steal their resources the whores jumped on it.
And both that, along with the abolishment of alienation laws, was the result of foolishly permitting them to vote.
The more you spread around political power, the baser a society gets.
I never even thought of that aspect before. Seems like everyone's boomer parents got divorced.
Mine didn't but they also didn't smoke weed, they were both in the Army by 18 and drug use was harshly punished. My parents are very anti boomers, both harshly criticize their generation and I've heard my dad talking for years about how most of them deserve to be strangled.
I think it's 30% for first time marriages. To use an autistic math analogy the breakeven point for a rational decision maker would if the bad outcome were 7/3 times (a little more than double) as bad as the good outcome is good. You can't quantify things exactly of course, but I don't think it's hard to argue that the losses from a divorce rape exceed 7/3 of the gains from a good marriage. That's of course assuming the 70% who stay in their marriages all have good marriages, and we know that's not true either, so the analysis leans even more against marriage than my numbers above.