That is offensive. I'm a European 1st Amendment absolutist. That said, people here wouldn't know what liberty is if it hit them on the head, despite constantly talking about how "we live in a free country".
Disagree, some agitation is so harmful it needs to be legally prosecuted, specifically the kind that is capable of destroying the other freedoms of the society.
Specifically public fomentation of resentment. If every person who ever publicly asked the question "why are there so many blacks in prison?" or "why are women paid less than men?" was arrested, spent the night in jail, and was charged a hefty fine the world would be a better place.
You can't defeat marxism under a liberal framework, if you could then we wouldn't be in this mess.
If every person who ever publicly asked the question "why are there so many blacks in prison?"
So.. if I want to invoke this as an indication there's something wrong inside the "black community" then I should go to jail? If I use it as a defense in an argument as to why I don't "default trust" black people? Jail?
was arrested, spent the night in jail, and was charged a hefty fine the world would be a better place.
Is that like your biggest fear.. spending a night in jail? What do you think happens in jail?
You can't defeat marxism under a liberal framework
"You have to remove liberty to fight those who would remove liberty from you."
I think the implication he's making is that a benevolent dictatorship would be more effective than a corrupt democracy – which is probably true, but only if you're making the assumption that the dictatorship will continue to support your interests in the future.
"You have to remove liberty to fight those who would remove liberty from you."
I think it's more like if someone would deny you a liberty, you don't need to extend that liberty to them even if you want it. People who don't want freedom of speech, well... fuck their speech then.
there's something wrong inside the "black community"
Why is there ever a need to publicly talk about "black community"? If anti social behavior had a sufficient deterrent, either legal or otherwise then the "black community" wouldn't be a problem.
If I use it as a defense
That is something you would be doing in private. Public agitation is different than private conversation.
You have to remove liberty to fight those who would remove liberty from you
You have to remove liberty from the ones who would remove liberty from you, were they given the opportunity, yes.
Hate to appear to pile on, but diagnosing a particular issue is the first step towards resolving it.
You say that in a healthy society that you propose, blacks would not be disproportionately engaged in criminal activity. But if anyone who attempted to address this issue were punished, I can just as easily see impunity resulting in even worse outcomes. And if your other proposals are successful at combating black criminality, then there would be no need to punish people making such comments - just say, what are you talking about, they're not more criminal than other groups.
Here in Europe, you are not allowed to talk about the depredations of the rapefugees. Does this result in them raping less? On the contrary, they rape just as much as they want, and the politicians protect them.
The appropriate punishment from the government for rhetoric should be none in a free society.
1st Amendment absolutism is basically a measure of whether or not you're American.
That is offensive. I'm a European 1st Amendment absolutist. That said, people here wouldn't know what liberty is if it hit them on the head, despite constantly talking about how "we live in a free country".
Disagree, some agitation is so harmful it needs to be legally prosecuted, specifically the kind that is capable of destroying the other freedoms of the society.
Specifically public fomentation of resentment. If every person who ever publicly asked the question "why are there so many blacks in prison?" or "why are women paid less than men?" was arrested, spent the night in jail, and was charged a hefty fine the world would be a better place.
You can't defeat marxism under a liberal framework, if you could then we wouldn't be in this mess.
So.. if I want to invoke this as an indication there's something wrong inside the "black community" then I should go to jail? If I use it as a defense in an argument as to why I don't "default trust" black people? Jail?
Is that like your biggest fear.. spending a night in jail? What do you think happens in jail?
"You have to remove liberty to fight those who would remove liberty from you."
k.
I think the implication he's making is that a benevolent dictatorship would be more effective than a corrupt democracy – which is probably true, but only if you're making the assumption that the dictatorship will continue to support your interests in the future.
I'll take a good king over a corrupt council any day. The problem comes when the not good kings start showing up.
I think it's more like if someone would deny you a liberty, you don't need to extend that liberty to them even if you want it. People who don't want freedom of speech, well... fuck their speech then.
Why is there ever a need to publicly talk about "black community"? If anti social behavior had a sufficient deterrent, either legal or otherwise then the "black community" wouldn't be a problem.
That is something you would be doing in private. Public agitation is different than private conversation.
You have to remove liberty from the ones who would remove liberty from you, were they given the opportunity, yes.
Hate to appear to pile on, but diagnosing a particular issue is the first step towards resolving it.
You say that in a healthy society that you propose, blacks would not be disproportionately engaged in criminal activity. But if anyone who attempted to address this issue were punished, I can just as easily see impunity resulting in even worse outcomes. And if your other proposals are successful at combating black criminality, then there would be no need to punish people making such comments - just say, what are you talking about, they're not more criminal than other groups.
Here in Europe, you are not allowed to talk about the depredations of the rapefugees. Does this result in them raping less? On the contrary, they rape just as much as they want, and the politicians protect them.
There is no free society anymore.