Just as an FYI, they won't be told till the DAY OF when they will die. Could be tomorrow, could be a decade from now all they know is their last moment will be a long drop and a quick stop. Also reason it took so long is because he was also injured in the attack so they had to give him physical therapy to stand trial and THEN kill him.
I'm fully ok with the death penalty in these circumstances when there's undeniable proof and their actions resulted in the tourture, abuse and death on many people and/or extremely vulnerable (cough kids). Why waste time just end it so they're no longer a threat.
I'm fully ok with the death penalty in these circumstances
Agreed.
Why waste time just end it so they're no longer a threat.
Because carrying out a Judge Dread style execution at the scene of a crime means almost nobody will know it happened and therefore fail to provide any form of deterrence against future [similar] crimes. Sure it's effective on a micro/macro scale, but it hardly affects the mega [Dread reference intended] scale.
Judges execute there and then if they decide but function almost entirely on reputation of being zero tolerance for the general public as anyone who breaks the law that way dies and any sensible person wouldn't want to be in the local vicinity that requires a Judge in the first place, in part because this can sometimes result in being charged with something by proximity, further diminishing the number of potential witnesses to Judges actually carrying out sentences and showing the system at work.
Meanwhile something like Starship Troopers, retardedly made movie as it was and ironically ending up quite based, had it's very "public" and televised executions by hanging that most probably know from the first movie but also shown again in the third: Marauders.
The difference between the two situations is that the general public/criminals are aware Judges will execute them if they fuck up so it's entirely possible this would increase the attempts by criminals at avoiding being caught rather than not breaking the law.
This is in line with the debate regarding how certain law enforcement decisions can actually increase crime severity like in cases where murdering a witness/victim ends up reducing the chances of someone being caught and identified. "No witnesses, no crime" in action, branching off in a similar vein to other matters of law breaking where one crime ends up being just as bad as another despite what obvious differences there might be in actions taken.
Starship Troopers however literally shows the public the whole process, that if you break the law you will be very publicly tried, sentenced, and executed on television and everyone will be able to see it, which isn't how I expect this matter to resolve but it's still quite a public spectacle on a somewhat global scale.
Just for clarity, the 'why wait' part was in reference to life sentences being issued than death penalties.
I mean I just heard recently Josef Fritzl COULD be getting released soon as 'he's no longer a threat'. For the crimes he did he should have gotten death than because he's now an old fucker he might be getting out into public again..
Depending on how well run your prison is, keeping a prisoner ties up a limited resource and costs $300 a day or so.
In lots of places judges must only sentence the most terrible of criminals because the prisons are literally full to bursting.
In this perspective the Singapore system of public beatings gives a distinct advantage. Offenders are tried quickly, beaten with the rattan ( a bamboo-like cane) and then deported or released.
The Singaporeans take a similar approach with hangings. Smuggling drugs through Singapore is a really dumb idea.
branching off in a similar vein to other matters of law breaking where one crime ends up being just as bad as another despite what obvious differences there might be in actions taken.
Dostoyevsky pointed out that it's not the severity of punishment that deters so much as the certainty of it.
The Terran Federation's system it does its best to leave no doubt in the immediate, certain consequences of transgression. An important step in that is that there must be no appeals, and no untimely delays between arrest and trial, nor conviction and punishment. The delay must be brief to maintain the public awareness of the causal link between the crime and the result of the crime.
I have little doubt that the Terran Federation would run a higher false conviction rate than America does. I also have little doubt that in absolute numbers, they would have way less crime in general.
Death row is not a fun place in Japan. You also do not get any interaction with prisoners, you can barely do anything, no TV etc. Saw a documentary about it a while ago. As you said, you are not told until the day of the execution so every single night you go to bed you gotta think this has to be my last. Mostly because they had suicides before so I think they changed how they do it and no suicide occurs.
Because if you just end it then the punishment is quick and nearly painless.
Japanese death row is designed to drive a person fucking insane in the most torturous ways possible without violating some international law. Look at what happened with Shoko Asahara. They let him sit there until he broke, and only then they gave him the release of death.
Also, they usually want a Death Row guy around to execute to help them control the news cycle. They executed Tsutomu Miyazaki within like a week of the Akihibara Massacre just to get the news talking about how good they were instead of how bad.
Their criminal system has a lot of terrible and abusive flaws in it that only seems good because its designed to look good first and foremost, and they live in a country with less violent crime to begin with.
The japs "justice" system is right fucked. They are only interested in convictions over due process. They are legendary for being corrupt and mismanaged to get guilty verdicts over fair trials. The slant eyes have no actual justice, only lies. Fuck them.
Just as an FYI, they won't be told till the DAY OF when they will die. Could be tomorrow, could be a decade from now all they know is their last moment will be a long drop and a quick stop. Also reason it took so long is because he was also injured in the attack so they had to give him physical therapy to stand trial and THEN kill him.
I'm fully ok with the death penalty in these circumstances when there's undeniable proof and their actions resulted in the tourture, abuse and death on many people and/or extremely vulnerable (cough kids). Why waste time just end it so they're no longer a threat.
Agreed.
Because carrying out a Judge Dread style execution at the scene of a crime means almost nobody will know it happened and therefore fail to provide any form of deterrence against future [similar] crimes. Sure it's effective on a micro/macro scale, but it hardly affects the mega [Dread reference intended] scale.
Judges execute there and then if they decide but function almost entirely on reputation of being zero tolerance for the general public as anyone who breaks the law that way dies and any sensible person wouldn't want to be in the local vicinity that requires a Judge in the first place, in part because this can sometimes result in being charged with something by proximity, further diminishing the number of potential witnesses to Judges actually carrying out sentences and showing the system at work.
Meanwhile something like Starship Troopers, retardedly made movie as it was and ironically ending up quite based, had it's very "public" and televised executions by hanging that most probably know from the first movie but also shown again in the third: Marauders.
The difference between the two situations is that the general public/criminals are aware Judges will execute them if they fuck up so it's entirely possible this would increase the attempts by criminals at avoiding being caught rather than not breaking the law.
This is in line with the debate regarding how certain law enforcement decisions can actually increase crime severity like in cases where murdering a witness/victim ends up reducing the chances of someone being caught and identified. "No witnesses, no crime" in action, branching off in a similar vein to other matters of law breaking where one crime ends up being just as bad as another despite what obvious differences there might be in actions taken.
Starship Troopers however literally shows the public the whole process, that if you break the law you will be very publicly tried, sentenced, and executed on television and everyone will be able to see it, which isn't how I expect this matter to resolve but it's still quite a public spectacle on a somewhat global scale.
Just for clarity, the 'why wait' part was in reference to life sentences being issued than death penalties.
I mean I just heard recently Josef Fritzl COULD be getting released soon as 'he's no longer a threat'. For the crimes he did he should have gotten death than because he's now an old fucker he might be getting out into public again..
Because old people never commit crimes 🙄
How old was Harold Shipman, again? Asking for a friend.
Depending on how well run your prison is, keeping a prisoner ties up a limited resource and costs $300 a day or so.
In lots of places judges must only sentence the most terrible of criminals because the prisons are literally full to bursting.
In this perspective the Singapore system of public beatings gives a distinct advantage. Offenders are tried quickly, beaten with the rattan ( a bamboo-like cane) and then deported or released.
The Singaporeans take a similar approach with hangings. Smuggling drugs through Singapore is a really dumb idea.
AKA "What is the penalty for being late?"
Dostoyevsky pointed out that it's not the severity of punishment that deters so much as the certainty of it.
The Terran Federation's system it does its best to leave no doubt in the immediate, certain consequences of transgression. An important step in that is that there must be no appeals, and no untimely delays between arrest and trial, nor conviction and punishment. The delay must be brief to maintain the public awareness of the causal link between the crime and the result of the crime.
I have little doubt that the Terran Federation would run a higher false conviction rate than America does. I also have little doubt that in absolute numbers, they would have way less crime in general.
Death row is not a fun place in Japan. You also do not get any interaction with prisoners, you can barely do anything, no TV etc. Saw a documentary about it a while ago. As you said, you are not told until the day of the execution so every single night you go to bed you gotta think this has to be my last. Mostly because they had suicides before so I think they changed how they do it and no suicide occurs.
Because if you just end it then the punishment is quick and nearly painless.
Japanese death row is designed to drive a person fucking insane in the most torturous ways possible without violating some international law. Look at what happened with Shoko Asahara. They let him sit there until he broke, and only then they gave him the release of death.
Also, they usually want a Death Row guy around to execute to help them control the news cycle. They executed Tsutomu Miyazaki within like a week of the Akihibara Massacre just to get the news talking about how good they were instead of how bad.
Their criminal system has a lot of terrible and abusive flaws in it that only seems good because its designed to look good first and foremost, and they live in a country with less violent crime to begin with.
This certainly portrays the death row killings from Death Note in a new light.
I bet there won't be 20 years of appeals or an Innocence Project demonstration for this guy.
As long as they kill him before the Marxists fully penetrate Japan.
Few people are saying the arsonist murderer's name.
So I will.
Fuck Shinji Aoba. Rot in Hell, you bastard.
I believe the sentiment is more: 'let his name be forgotten so he can't even live in infamy while his victims names are eternal'
Most people just know him as a piece of shit while remembering and regretting the deaths of many talented people.
Imagine if we did this with tyrants.
Easy way to get a similar one foisted upon us.
it stays like today where I hope hell is real
Good.
Japan has the death penalty? Hm.
Mate you REALLY didn't know? They were executing cult members in 2020 after an attack they did in 1995.
They REALLY don't fuck around in their legal system.
The japs "justice" system is right fucked. They are only interested in convictions over due process. They are legendary for being corrupt and mismanaged to get guilty verdicts over fair trials. The slant eyes have no actual justice, only lies. Fuck them.
Okay? Then who has the best justice system that we should all follow by example?
As they have their problems but at least they get rid of the trash..