For non-Jewish Ukrainians, Stalin was a greater danger to their survival than Hitler.
Keeping Stalin out was a matter of life and death for them.
When Stalin wins, sure enough he brutally murders Ukrainians. Stalin's crimes against humanity outnumber Hitler's.
The funny thing is that you normally hear this on the extreme right and sometimes the moderate right. Now copied by the extreme left, because they have to defend their Globohomo heroes.
Comments about Ukrainian collaboration are often not very nuanced. Considering the depredations of collectivization, it's certainly more understandable than a Frenchman who just decides to enlist in the Waffen SS, but that does not make it justifiable.
It's also worth stressing that Stalin's worst crimes were in the past in 1941, and that Hitler had some rather unpleasant plans for the USSR, including its starvation and depopulation to an extent worse than Stalin could ever dream of.
What fascinates me is that this shows that Carl Schmitt was right and that it's all just friend-enemy distinction. They hate on Nazis because they want to say that 'the right' in general is bad, but now they defend the Nazis because the Nazis fought against ze Russians, and Russians very very bad!
Gavrilo Princip was an Assassin ancestor of mine, I saw it in the Animus. Also, you won't believe how many Precursor temples there are under Sarajevo. Explains all the fighting in the 90s.
Russian allied Socialists were throwing actual bombs at the time. Antifa was in the streets clashing with the Brownshirts.
The Socialists were aiming for an actual color revolution. Literal Socialist Terrorists were trying to assassinate their political opponents and bring Germany to ruin, so as it could fall into Socialist control.
Stalin's crimes against humanity outnumber Hitler's.
but when IIIIIIIIII say it, suddenly i'm a nazi defender! despite thinking that they're both cringe foreign ideologies that have no place in my country.
I'm pretty sure at this point that any average individual Ukrainian's "collaboration" with the USSR (or Nazis) would be roughly the same as any average individual US citizen's "collaboration" with the US government. "Collaboration" is probably largely dependent on either which propaganda they found more believable or whose gun was pointed at them.
I've heard the "no these are the good Nazis" cope from shills since last week. Apparently there is a register of which ones murdered JEWS and those are impermissible belong in an Israeli or German prison. But the ones that murdered Poles and fought Russians they're cool.
I...I just want to get this right. Is "🏳️🌈 (He/Him)" here saying the communists were worse than the Nazis? That's what he's going with? That's an...interesting take. If he/him was anyone else, it would even be called a Far Right take.
For the record, he's not even wrong per se, but it's a hilarious flip. If I was Ukrainian and wanted independence, I would have likely sided with the Germans too. A bit further away, and probably less likely to be quite as oppressive.
That said, doesn't change the fact that the Ukrainian in question was in the motherfucking SS. Nazis, Soviets, whatever...this was the SS. That's beyond just picking a side, that's often like the warcrimiest of the war crime units. If they want to get all cozy with the SS because "Russia bad" that's on them. Haha.
Of course, let's just forget the bolsheviks, the Holodomor and of course put again all blame on like the evilest of the evil muh SS and Germans. Slavs are like blacks, they scream about western oppression, when the worst thing for a slav has always been another slav.
I already said he's not wrong; especially if you're in that region of the world, the Soviets were worse than the Nazis.
Point is, if you were in the SS in that area, you probably did some pretty fucked up shit. And it's hilarious to see ultra-progressives cheering it on. That's it, it's funny.
I haven't been able to find any liberal party members since Trudeau started losing the plot. Even the people who slavishly defend him apparently didnt vote for him. I also hear the word 'neoliberal' from the people who scoffed at 'bOtH sIdEs' arguments.
I'm not just shooting off the hip here. I chose Ukrainian collaboration during WWII as a focus for my term paper at Queen's. I spent a semester researching it.
So rainbow flag & pronouns in bio isn't just spouting off, he's thought deeply about it and decided he would have, like Hunka: joined the SS, pledged loyalty to Hitler, hunted down Jews and kill them, torture and kill Allied POWs
The funny thing is that you normally hear this on the extreme right and sometimes the moderate right. Now copied by the extreme left, because they have to defend their Globohomo heroes.
Comments about Ukrainian collaboration are often not very nuanced. Considering the depredations of collectivization, it's certainly more understandable than a Frenchman who just decides to enlist in the Waffen SS, but that does not make it justifiable.
It's also worth stressing that Stalin's worst crimes were in the past in 1941, and that Hitler had some rather unpleasant plans for the USSR, including its starvation and depopulation to an extent worse than Stalin could ever dream of.
What fascinates me is that this shows that Carl Schmitt was right and that it's all just friend-enemy distinction. They hate on Nazis because they want to say that 'the right' in general is bad, but now they defend the Nazis because the Nazis fought against ze Russians, and Russians very very bad!
No WW1 => no Bolshevik Revolution => no fascists in Italy => no Nazis => no CCP => no Khmer Rouge.
What an absolute cataclysm that was.
gotta go back to before the french revolution
The smart time traveler skips the line of people who want to kill baby Hitler and goes for the baby Robespierre line instead.
it's frankly amazing how much went wrong there.
Gavrilo Princip was an Assassin ancestor of mine, I saw it in the Animus. Also, you won't believe how many Precursor temples there are under Sarajevo. Explains all the fighting in the 90s.
Russian allied Socialists were throwing actual bombs at the time. Antifa was in the streets clashing with the Brownshirts.
The Socialists were aiming for an actual color revolution. Literal Socialist Terrorists were trying to assassinate their political opponents and bring Germany to ruin, so as it could fall into Socialist control.
Carl Schmitt has always been right about that.
but when IIIIIIIIII say it, suddenly i'm a nazi defender! despite thinking that they're both cringe foreign ideologies that have no place in my country.
I'm pretty sure at this point that any average individual Ukrainian's "collaboration" with the USSR (or Nazis) would be roughly the same as any average individual US citizen's "collaboration" with the US government. "Collaboration" is probably largely dependent on either which propaganda they found more believable or whose gun was pointed at them.
I've heard the "no these are the good Nazis" cope from shills since last week. Apparently there is a register of which ones murdered JEWS and those are impermissible belong in an Israeli or German prison. But the ones that murdered Poles and fought Russians they're cool.
The ones that used the occult to take over the world. They're totally ok. You might even like Himmler or Herler.
I...I just want to get this right. Is "🏳️🌈 (He/Him)" here saying the communists were worse than the Nazis? That's what he's going with? That's an...interesting take. If he/him was anyone else, it would even be called a Far Right take.
For the record, he's not even wrong per se, but it's a hilarious flip. If I was Ukrainian and wanted independence, I would have likely sided with the Germans too. A bit further away, and probably less likely to be quite as oppressive.
That said, doesn't change the fact that the Ukrainian in question was in the motherfucking SS. Nazis, Soviets, whatever...this was the SS. That's beyond just picking a side, that's often like the warcrimiest of the war crime units. If they want to get all cozy with the SS because "Russia bad" that's on them. Haha.
Of course, let's just forget the bolsheviks, the Holodomor and of course put again all blame on like the evilest of the evil muh SS and Germans. Slavs are like blacks, they scream about western oppression, when the worst thing for a slav has always been another slav.
I already said he's not wrong; especially if you're in that region of the world, the Soviets were worse than the Nazis.
Point is, if you were in the SS in that area, you probably did some pretty fucked up shit. And it's hilarious to see ultra-progressives cheering it on. That's it, it's funny.
Sorry for slandering the SS, many apologies.
They don't actually care about Nazi's, so it's unsurprising. It's just a magic word they throw around to seize more power for themselves.
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I haven't been able to find any liberal party members since Trudeau started losing the plot. Even the people who slavishly defend him apparently didnt vote for him. I also hear the word 'neoliberal' from the people who scoffed at 'bOtH sIdEs' arguments.
And now the Left defends Hitler. The fake and gay singularity will never materialize.
So rainbow flag & pronouns in bio isn't just spouting off, he's thought deeply about it and decided he would have, like Hunka: joined the SS, pledged loyalty to Hitler, hunted down Jews and kill them, torture and kill Allied POWs
If you had to pick which side of the conflict that the German Jewish community was on, would you pick that they were pro Socialist or Anti-Socialist?
Just asking.