I hate to interrupt a good circle jerk because I know the right loves circle jerks as much as the left, but once Liberty receives a valid search warrant, they have no choice but to comply with it or they will be fined or put in jail. At most, they can challenge the validity of the warrant. I hope that they did because even fucking Reddit of all places challenges them. But once that part is over, they have to comply.
The actual scandalous part is that there's apparently a master override code that'll open any Liberty safe. I just checked Liberty's website and the only thing that they ask for when you register is your safe's serial number. Presumably from that, they looked up the model and the corresponding manufacturer's override code. By the way, the FBI can now open any of that model of safe with the same code.
And a side note, what kind of dumbass opsec failure did the guy do that let the FBI know ahead of time what kind of safe he had?
By the way, the FBI can now open any of that model of safe with the same code.
That's the biggest problem here. A warrant may apply in this specific case, but the FBI was given the capability to open any Liberty safe in any future case without a warrant. Liberty gave away those owners' privacy without a fight.
This completely ruins any value these safes might have had, because simply knowing those codes exist gives incentive for somebody to figure them out. All it's going to take is for one guy to reverse engineer or otherwise hack into one of these safes and leak those codes for everyone.
hack into one of these safes and leak those codes for everyone
And I hope they do. Sorry to anyone out there who owns one of these. Blame the company for putting a rootkit on your safe, not the "security researcher" who exposed it.
Last time I saw a number thrown around it was only 2%. Only 2% of search warrant requests were denied. It's pretty well known that most judges just rubber stamp whatever for the police. The whole point of judicial review is to prevent this from happening.
no choice but to comply
You can't turn over what you don't have. Liberty got themselves into the business of keeping a database of master combinations. Imagine you, the customer, finding out today that these guys were holding these codes. Was there disclosure? How about the customers that were told "no" for help and were forced to hire a locksmith for lost combinations when the company could have coughed them up at any time for free?
what kind of dumbass opsec failure did the guy do that let the FBI know ahead of time what kind of safe he had?
It's called a sneak and peek. Feds break in to your house when no one's there and start documenting what they see. They can even trash the place and make it look like you were robbed if they have to, or just to take whatever. They need a "valid warrant" to do this but, heh, see the first point.
they have no choice but to comply with it or they will be fined or put in jail
Hey you know what we get told in our undergrad for Therapy and Counseling?
You keep your pride and your client's safety and privacy in mind, and go to fucking jail rather than cuck out like a bitch. Because they tell you straight up that crossing that line will lose you your license, your career, and any respect you held. The law has to show a very narrow criteria to let you do that, and "helping in an investigation" after the crime is never one of them.
That's the Leftist run Psychology shithole showing more principles than you or this company.
once Liberty receives a valid search warrant, they have no choice but to comply with it or they will be fined or put in jail
If Liberty were served with a search warrant or court order, they'd have no choice but to comply with it or go to jail. That's not what happened. A search warrant for a different property has nothing to do with the safe manufacturer. Until they get an order directed at them, any compliance is voluntary.
They just changed their policy on this, admitting that they were wrong, basically. However, there is some question as to what degree people ought to have known this was the policy the whole time.
I hate to interrupt a good circle jerk because I know the right loves circle jerks as much as the left, but once Liberty receives a valid search warrant, they have no choice but to comply with it or they will be fined or put in jail. At most, they can challenge the validity of the warrant. I hope that they did because even fucking Reddit of all places challenges them. But once that part is over, they have to comply.
The actual scandalous part is that there's apparently a master override code that'll open any Liberty safe. I just checked Liberty's website and the only thing that they ask for when you register is your safe's serial number. Presumably from that, they looked up the model and the corresponding manufacturer's override code. By the way, the FBI can now open any of that model of safe with the same code.
And a side note, what kind of dumbass opsec failure did the guy do that let the FBI know ahead of time what kind of safe he had?
That's the biggest problem here. A warrant may apply in this specific case, but the FBI was given the capability to open any Liberty safe in any future case without a warrant. Liberty gave away those owners' privacy without a fight.
This completely ruins any value these safes might have had, because simply knowing those codes exist gives incentive for somebody to figure them out. All it's going to take is for one guy to reverse engineer or otherwise hack into one of these safes and leak those codes for everyone.
And I hope they do. Sorry to anyone out there who owns one of these. Blame the company for putting a rootkit on your safe, not the "security researcher" who exposed it.
Last time I saw a number thrown around it was only 2%. Only 2% of search warrant requests were denied. It's pretty well known that most judges just rubber stamp whatever for the police. The whole point of judicial review is to prevent this from happening.
You can't turn over what you don't have. Liberty got themselves into the business of keeping a database of master combinations. Imagine you, the customer, finding out today that these guys were holding these codes. Was there disclosure? How about the customers that were told "no" for help and were forced to hire a locksmith for lost combinations when the company could have coughed them up at any time for free?
It's called a sneak and peek. Feds break in to your house when no one's there and start documenting what they see. They can even trash the place and make it look like you were robbed if they have to, or just to take whatever. They need a "valid warrant" to do this but, heh, see the first point.
Hey you know what we get told in our undergrad for Therapy and Counseling?
You keep your pride and your client's safety and privacy in mind, and go to fucking jail rather than cuck out like a bitch. Because they tell you straight up that crossing that line will lose you your license, your career, and any respect you held. The law has to show a very narrow criteria to let you do that, and "helping in an investigation" after the crime is never one of them.
That's the Leftist run Psychology shithole showing more principles than you or this company.
If Liberty were served with a search warrant or court order, they'd have no choice but to comply with it or go to jail. That's not what happened. A search warrant for a different property has nothing to do with the safe manufacturer. Until they get an order directed at them, any compliance is voluntary.
They just changed their policy on this, admitting that they were wrong, basically. However, there is some question as to what degree people ought to have known this was the policy the whole time.