I know based or neutral indie devs exist, but in my experience most indie devs are anywhere from left-of-center to ultra-woke. I’ve seen some people saying indie games are the escape from woke triple A shit, and while they may be the escape from the “shit” part, I think that claim is at least 50% cope.
Edit: in fact, for anything that’s sort of cyberpunk or predicts a future corporate hellscape, I automatically assume that the dev is very far left. Somehow, the left has convinced a LOT of people that they’re the anti-corporate, anti-government corporate fusion, anti-overreach party when they’re the ones barreling toward it the fastest.
Most legit indie devs are still majority white male because they aren’t large enough to attract the demands or quotas of the woke mafia. So indie dev output still has a chance to escape the quality/productivity quagmire that is “diversity”. This, however, does not preclude the indie devs themselves from being woke retards. In effect, their own ethnic homogeneity and small size insulate them from the natural consequences of their own preferred ideology.
Agreed, I feel like it's worth pointing out though, most of these people who support this crap seem to be low level uninformed midwits. They have no idea of the types of people they're really supporting, they think they're just virtue signalling about the gays which is why they get confused and angry when they're ever confronted on it by people in public. They don't see all the shit we do with the tranny backstabbing and creepy grooming of teenagers on discord servers.
They're not necessarily what I'd call 'true believers' and think supporting the LGBT ideology isn't a big deal and think it's just right wing bigots that would ever disagree with them. I keep repeating this but right wingers really need to get a grip on the mentality they're dealing with when it comes to the left and normies. They ban and stop discussion of anyone who brings up the shit the left gets up to which is why their bubbles never get pierced so unfortunately the only way to make these people stop is to bankrupt them through economic warfare.
On the bright side, their writing is going to be so shit it will be easy for any true non-woke or anti-woke dev to yet again put their own spin on a story based RPG etc. I'm almost thinking I could do it since it's really the story you need to put the most effort into. I wouldn't mind setting up a cyberpunk RPG and live out the fantasy that I should've gotten in Cyberpunk 2077 where I get to side with the corpos as an agent and live it up in night clubs and penthouses lol.
Yeah, before that it was just generic "abloo bloo I must fight my depression (literally)" Tumblr shit. I'm not sure if the bait and switch was planned from the beginning of if one of the devs trooned out and had to make everything about him, but either way it's very disappointing and I wish I could un-give them my money.
Best you can do is let people know when a game has a tranny agenda. If you can convince even one person not to buy it, you've done your job.
I think its most of the ones you hear about are Left. Because they wouldn't gain any traction or popularity without some support of the industry and the industry only accepts other Leftists. Including paying for shills to meme a game into existence (like Dave the Diver currently is doing).
But games like Domina existed for years completely under the radar until he was in the process of getting cancelled.
Is Dave the Diver paying streamers or commenters? I’ve seen a lot of hype around it, but I will say that it also comes across as competently made, and impressively quick to exit early access with a full product.
I haven’t looked too close, though. If there’s suspicious stuff hiding around that game I’d be curious to hear it, because it’s currently on my “check this game out” list.
I don't know. But everywhere I go its got oddly neutral to positive threads cropping up a half dozen at a time. They never say anything really of substance, always post the same marketing images with the title and guy on it, and just feel very fake.
This doesn't mean the game is bad on its own, as plenty good games have terrible marketers and shills. But its notable enough to be almost clearly "bought and paid for" discussions hyping it up instead of organic word of mouth.
Yeah, I don't really go on gaming forums (aside from the one here, which is tiny), but I've definitely seen a couple streamers I watch semi-regularly saying lots of good things about it. Based on what I know of them, I wouldn't be surprised if there's woke stuff in there they just aren't bothered by or even like, but they usually have pretty solid tastes about actual gameplay.
It depends on the dev. But if they are involved in the igda chances are they are woke. ShortFatOtaku has some good videos covering the igda and indie scene corruption. He definitely has bad takes of his own in his other vids but those videos are solid.
It's not cope. It's the only avenue. You wanna keep hoping triple aaa studios backed by the same people as Disney and Hollywood are going to start releasing good non woke games?
There's a much higher chance of indie studios given their mixed backgrounds.
It is cope in some form, but you're also correct that supporting apolitical or non-Regime indie devs is the only reasonable way to make a difference.
If an indie dev does some blatant political messaging, you can literally tell them to fuck off and affect their bottom line. (Or, just write them reasonable feedback and maybe they'll reconsider taking overt political stances if they realize they are pissing off fans/customers).
I’m not saying good indie games aren’t great, or that they’re ALL pozzed. The FNaF guy donated to Trump, and there’s always the Domina gigachad with the anti-Covid patch notes and the anti-Keffals Twitter posts. Even some of the pozzed ones are mechanically very good (Celeste being the most infamous example).
I’m saying that anyone looking to indie games, particularly anything that’s part of the “indie gaming scene” and saying “yes, this is the antidote to Blizzard et. al.’s wokeness” is ignoring an awful lot of woke shit. To go back to my examples of based developers, both of them got cancelled shortly after their politics became clear, and I don’t exactly think many people in the indie scene stood up and said “hey, I don’t like that the Domina guy has right-wing opinions, but I’m not comfortable with how a multibillion dollar company just flexed its muscles on a tiny little studio.”
Gotta agree with this. Tech was always libertarian-leaning apolitical dudes, but around GamerGate you had this intense social pressure/harassment to fall in lockstep socially or face extreme ostracism (or firing). You couldn't even talk neutrally about the topic of pay-for-play in games journalism because even discussing the topic in those terms faced the implicit threat coming from the Sarkeesian-types of harassment/sexism allegations. The message at that point was clear, fall in line or get out.
Much like the Covid-19 shit, it doesn't matter how smart you are if you are an emotionally weak person you can get socially coerced into adopting even transparently ridiculous views.
Just to signal boost good game developers, there's Kvltgames (see their Odysee) who are producing a cyberpunk/dystopian platformer game.
Releasing a finished game is a ton of work. Only leftists mooching off of their parents, student loans, or living off SSI have the time to pump something out all on their own.
Plus artist types in the modern era of shit art all trend commie. Programmer graphics aren't going to cut it in 2023, so flying a bunch of fag flag arounds is an easy way to get people willing to work with you for cheap or free.
I know based or neutral indie devs exist, but in my experience most indie devs are anywhere from left-of-center to ultra-woke. I’ve seen some people saying indie games are the escape from woke triple A shit, and while they may be the escape from the “shit” part, I think that claim is at least 50% cope.
Edit: in fact, for anything that’s sort of cyberpunk or predicts a future corporate hellscape, I automatically assume that the dev is very far left. Somehow, the left has convinced a LOT of people that they’re the anti-corporate, anti-government corporate fusion, anti-overreach party when they’re the ones barreling toward it the fastest.
Most legit indie devs are still majority white male because they aren’t large enough to attract the demands or quotas of the woke mafia. So indie dev output still has a chance to escape the quality/productivity quagmire that is “diversity”. This, however, does not preclude the indie devs themselves from being woke retards. In effect, their own ethnic homogeneity and small size insulate them from the natural consequences of their own preferred ideology.
Agreed, I feel like it's worth pointing out though, most of these people who support this crap seem to be low level uninformed midwits. They have no idea of the types of people they're really supporting, they think they're just virtue signalling about the gays which is why they get confused and angry when they're ever confronted on it by people in public. They don't see all the shit we do with the tranny backstabbing and creepy grooming of teenagers on discord servers.
They're not necessarily what I'd call 'true believers' and think supporting the LGBT ideology isn't a big deal and think it's just right wing bigots that would ever disagree with them. I keep repeating this but right wingers really need to get a grip on the mentality they're dealing with when it comes to the left and normies. They ban and stop discussion of anyone who brings up the shit the left gets up to which is why their bubbles never get pierced so unfortunately the only way to make these people stop is to bankrupt them through economic warfare.
On the bright side, their writing is going to be so shit it will be easy for any true non-woke or anti-woke dev to yet again put their own spin on a story based RPG etc. I'm almost thinking I could do it since it's really the story you need to put the most effort into. I wouldn't mind setting up a cyberpunk RPG and live out the fantasy that I should've gotten in Cyberpunk 2077 where I get to side with the corpos as an agent and live it up in night clubs and penthouses lol.
Most notably Celeste, amazing game and music, fucking cringe story.
If I recall, that ending where you see the hormone pill bottles wasn't added until after the game's release, when most had already bought it.
Yeah, before that it was just generic "abloo bloo I must fight my depression (literally)" Tumblr shit. I'm not sure if the bait and switch was planned from the beginning of if one of the devs trooned out and had to make everything about him, but either way it's very disappointing and I wish I could un-give them my money.
Best you can do is let people know when a game has a tranny agenda. If you can convince even one person not to buy it, you've done your job.
I don't think its that most are Left.
I think its most of the ones you hear about are Left. Because they wouldn't gain any traction or popularity without some support of the industry and the industry only accepts other Leftists. Including paying for shills to meme a game into existence (like Dave the Diver currently is doing).
But games like Domina existed for years completely under the radar until he was in the process of getting cancelled.
Is Dave the Diver paying streamers or commenters? I’ve seen a lot of hype around it, but I will say that it also comes across as competently made, and impressively quick to exit early access with a full product.
I haven’t looked too close, though. If there’s suspicious stuff hiding around that game I’d be curious to hear it, because it’s currently on my “check this game out” list.
I don't know. But everywhere I go its got oddly neutral to positive threads cropping up a half dozen at a time. They never say anything really of substance, always post the same marketing images with the title and guy on it, and just feel very fake.
This doesn't mean the game is bad on its own, as plenty good games have terrible marketers and shills. But its notable enough to be almost clearly "bought and paid for" discussions hyping it up instead of organic word of mouth.
Yeah, I don't really go on gaming forums (aside from the one here, which is tiny), but I've definitely seen a couple streamers I watch semi-regularly saying lots of good things about it. Based on what I know of them, I wouldn't be surprised if there's woke stuff in there they just aren't bothered by or even like, but they usually have pretty solid tastes about actual gameplay.
It depends on the dev. But if they are involved in the igda chances are they are woke. ShortFatOtaku has some good videos covering the igda and indie scene corruption. He definitely has bad takes of his own in his other vids but those videos are solid.
It's not cope. It's the only avenue. You wanna keep hoping triple aaa studios backed by the same people as Disney and Hollywood are going to start releasing good non woke games?
There's a much higher chance of indie studios given their mixed backgrounds.
It is cope in some form, but you're also correct that supporting apolitical or non-Regime indie devs is the only reasonable way to make a difference.
If an indie dev does some blatant political messaging, you can literally tell them to fuck off and affect their bottom line. (Or, just write them reasonable feedback and maybe they'll reconsider taking overt political stances if they realize they are pissing off fans/customers).
I’m not saying good indie games aren’t great, or that they’re ALL pozzed. The FNaF guy donated to Trump, and there’s always the Domina gigachad with the anti-Covid patch notes and the anti-Keffals Twitter posts. Even some of the pozzed ones are mechanically very good (Celeste being the most infamous example).
I’m saying that anyone looking to indie games, particularly anything that’s part of the “indie gaming scene” and saying “yes, this is the antidote to Blizzard et. al.’s wokeness” is ignoring an awful lot of woke shit. To go back to my examples of based developers, both of them got cancelled shortly after their politics became clear, and I don’t exactly think many people in the indie scene stood up and said “hey, I don’t like that the Domina guy has right-wing opinions, but I’m not comfortable with how a multibillion dollar company just flexed its muscles on a tiny little studio.”
Gotta agree with this. Tech was always libertarian-leaning apolitical dudes, but around GamerGate you had this intense social pressure/harassment to fall in lockstep socially or face extreme ostracism (or firing). You couldn't even talk neutrally about the topic of pay-for-play in games journalism because even discussing the topic in those terms faced the implicit threat coming from the Sarkeesian-types of harassment/sexism allegations. The message at that point was clear, fall in line or get out.
Much like the Covid-19 shit, it doesn't matter how smart you are if you are an emotionally weak person you can get socially coerced into adopting even transparently ridiculous views.
Just to signal boost good game developers, there's Kvltgames (see their Odysee) who are producing a cyberpunk/dystopian platformer game.
Releasing a finished game is a ton of work. Only leftists mooching off of their parents, student loans, or living off SSI have the time to pump something out all on their own.
Plus artist types in the modern era of shit art all trend commie. Programmer graphics aren't going to cut it in 2023, so flying a bunch of fag flag arounds is an easy way to get people willing to work with you for cheap or free.