The dumbest thing about this is it's a midwit meme.
If you apply even 1% critical thinking to the concept, you know SSRIs (and Depression for that matter) are complete bullshit, and you don't need a bunch of phoney baloney research. But we're not allowed to exercise that level of autonomy. "Trust the experts."
It was really disappointing to find out professionally that psychiatrists choose which SSRI to start patients on with the same methodological scrutiny as you choosing between Coke and Pepsi at the 7-Eleven cooler.
Actually, in all likelihood some patients would still be feeling awful (if not more) in that scenario because some withdrawal effects would still be bleeding through while the initial side effects of the new one are still being worked out, depending on which neurotransmitters are affected for each of the two medications.
I've heard of some patients experiencing this under normal clinical situations when cross-tapering and switching to other SSRI's.
Long term side effects. Surprisingly no research. I asked a doctor and they told me, "The pill has no effect on fertility" which is insane, that's literally what it does. It stops fertility. But there are no studies showing the effects of 5-10+ years of uterus poison vs. women who never touch it.
My experience is every woman who was on the pill sees tons higher miscarriages after, sometimes never carrying a baby to full term again/ever.
Not just that but there's no real study I know about the emotional effects. My ex was on and off birth control and it was like she was two completely different people when she was on and off. Her interests, preferences for food, etc like it was like I was dating two different people and I had two keep both sets of that in my head.
girlwriteswhat had an interesting post on that topic on reddit. One thing that the pill influences, that seems relatively minor is the sense of smell (hence the change in food-preferences). Now, these same changes happen when a woman gets pregnant (bc simulates pregnancy), but pregnancies last for 9 months not years on end.
One interesting tidibit she shared was that she couldn't stand the smell of her husband anymore after she got her tubes tied and off the pill. He'd have showered and 5 minutes later she hated his odor.
The theory is that the change in sense of smell and the disgust she had for her husbands smell is evolutionary. As in: When her body isn't tricked into thinking that it's pregnant, her sense of smell would have told her that she and her husband do not make a good genetic match.
I could be wrong here, but I think to remember that her children aren't paragons of health (including severe allergies)
I have heard tidbits similar to that on the internet in different forums. Pretty much if you meet a girl who's on birth control from the beginning you meet her, the relationship may go south quick if she ever gets off of it if you're not compatible. It's very interesting because there's so many things that probably make up attraction that we don't know about and literally throwing a wrench into natural fertility probably doesn't help at all.
Say I had a friend who has gone through several different prescription regimens over the last 10 years (with reportedly modest benefit). How might I he wean off the current prescription and get away from artificial pharmacology?
SSRI had no clear benefits, many side effects, and stopping them gave vertigo that was less annoying that the side-effects of taking them.
Maby your friend actually feels better on them, maby it's placebo.
What actually had clear effects on my was daily exercise. It takes 2 to 3 weeks to get the mood improvements, but they are noticeable and it keeps improving over the months.
But you really have to exercise daily. Find something that can fit in your routine and adjust to your physical condition. Walking at a fast pace for 30 minutes a day is a good start. Bring music if it bores you.
A treadmil or a stationary bike (takes less space ) covers your base for bad weather, and you can read, listen, play or watch something while doing it.
Absolutely, exercise has had the clearest effect and benefit on every single facet of my life and my depression.
My favorite Andrew Tate thing has said was that if you're truly depressed and suicidal, give it a chance and go for a six pack. You have nothing to lose by trying and by the time you probably have a six pack you will have changed the things in your life that are making you that depressed.
Just having a more well-conditioned body significantly helps one’s mental health and self esteem.
Running anything more than a mile used to be a challenge for me. Now, I can run a 10K at a 8.5 minute per mile pace. Gaining that confidence to run longer distances also carried over to other aspects of my life.
You need to slowly come off it, perhaps longer than six months to a year and start doing strenuous exercise to let your body and brain naturally replace those chemicals. You must replace the habit with something else.
High intensity cardio and going to the gym would be my suggestion.
I know from personal experience, and from a few comments I've read in the last month alone, that it's not entirely uncommon for people to end up on a rather low dose after a few years of dealing with such meds.
Usually after rejecting doctor recommended doses and controlling their own dose to min-max with regards to any benefits vs side effects. Standard recommended doses for a lot of these meds are just godawfully high, and it takes a while for some patients to recognize and address this themselves.
There's also a fair bit of variation in efficacy and potency between different generic manufacturers that throws things off a lot too.
This is why history is important. They literally tell us "science" has always been fake except for a few greats in History.
Galileo, Pythagoras, Newton, Einstein, the Doctors fighting COVID Vax bullshit.
All of those men were pioneers who brought new sciences to us, and some of them fought fierce opposition and stonewalling from the "consensus".
Things like Spherical Earth, buoyancy, were considered crackpot theories and were shouted down by smug cunts who thought they had it all figured out.
As someone slightly interested in history, It always amazed me how many Great scientists were ones who had to beat down all the rest of their rat clawed fellows who didn't really know shit and just did it for money and fame.
If anyone is interested,.read anatomy of an epidemic by Robert Whitaker. It was with this book that I found out how clueless psychiatry is, and how we effectively get worse results with psychiatric patients in our age of modern medication than they did in the 1930s.
Seriously, this guy did the research, and in the 30s more people with severe conditions like schizophrenia could eventually lead a normal life than today. With all our medication, people with psychiatric problems are living less fulfilling lives, and are less capabtod taking care of themselves.
You can find this book in LibGen. It's extremely well researched, and I heartly recommend it.
If anyone is curious about how widespread this is, this is over a million results from 1976-2019: https://iili.io/HPizIsV.png
Medical science is at best a pseudoscience, and at worst a deadly scam.
The dumbest thing about this is it's a midwit meme.
If you apply even 1% critical thinking to the concept, you know SSRIs (and Depression for that matter) are complete bullshit, and you don't need a bunch of phoney baloney research. But we're not allowed to exercise that level of autonomy. "Trust the experts."
It was really disappointing to find out professionally that psychiatrists choose which SSRI to start patients on with the same methodological scrutiny as you choosing between Coke and Pepsi at the 7-Eleven cooler.
When will the SSRI wars happen? Or commercials where rioters and police are handed Prozac and then do a dance routine?
Remember, the average person is dumb and half the population is dumber than the average person.
Not to mention, education at each and every level is severely compromised.
Hahahahahahahhahahahaha
(The researchers are just test things at random and then throw away un-interesting results)
Yup, and a lot of what they do publish is exaggerated/massaged/fraudulent.
(many of the research they did publish was done via the following method :
step 1 : recruit volunteers who are heavily addicted to SSRIs
step 2 : take them off their medication overnight…
step 3 : give half the volunteers your new SSRI / give half a placebo
step 4 : ask them how they feel
step 5 : ?????
step 6 : profit
Actually, in all likelihood some patients would still be feeling awful (if not more) in that scenario because some withdrawal effects would still be bleeding through while the initial side effects of the new one are still being worked out, depending on which neurotransmitters are affected for each of the two medications.
I've heard of some patients experiencing this under normal clinical situations when cross-tapering and switching to other SSRI's.
Now do birth control.
At least the primary endpoint whether your contraceptive pill actually does what it claims to is fairly binary.
Long term side effects. Surprisingly no research. I asked a doctor and they told me, "The pill has no effect on fertility" which is insane, that's literally what it does. It stops fertility. But there are no studies showing the effects of 5-10+ years of uterus poison vs. women who never touch it.
My experience is every woman who was on the pill sees tons higher miscarriages after, sometimes never carrying a baby to full term again/ever.
Not just that but there's no real study I know about the emotional effects. My ex was on and off birth control and it was like she was two completely different people when she was on and off. Her interests, preferences for food, etc like it was like I was dating two different people and I had two keep both sets of that in my head.
girlwriteswhat had an interesting post on that topic on reddit. One thing that the pill influences, that seems relatively minor is the sense of smell (hence the change in food-preferences). Now, these same changes happen when a woman gets pregnant (bc simulates pregnancy), but pregnancies last for 9 months not years on end.
One interesting tidibit she shared was that she couldn't stand the smell of her husband anymore after she got her tubes tied and off the pill. He'd have showered and 5 minutes later she hated his odor.
The theory is that the change in sense of smell and the disgust she had for her husbands smell is evolutionary. As in: When her body isn't tricked into thinking that it's pregnant, her sense of smell would have told her that she and her husband do not make a good genetic match.
I could be wrong here, but I think to remember that her children aren't paragons of health (including severe allergies)
I have heard tidbits similar to that on the internet in different forums. Pretty much if you meet a girl who's on birth control from the beginning you meet her, the relationship may go south quick if she ever gets off of it if you're not compatible. It's very interesting because there's so many things that probably make up attraction that we don't know about and literally throwing a wrench into natural fertility probably doesn't help at all.
Did not expect to see Dr. Fung showing up on this board. Good stuff OP.
If it's the same guy I'm thinking of, I learned of him through his work on intermittent fasting.
It's rare to see a medical professional pushing actual treatment rather than just drugs.
Say I had a friend who has gone through several different prescription regimens over the last 10 years (with reportedly modest benefit). How might
Ihe wean off the current prescription and get away from artificial pharmacology?The benefits may be fake. But the withdrawal effects can be very serious (benzodiazepines can be fatal)
SSRI had no clear benefits, many side effects, and stopping them gave vertigo that was less annoying that the side-effects of taking them.
Maby your friend actually feels better on them, maby it's placebo.
What actually had clear effects on my was daily exercise. It takes 2 to 3 weeks to get the mood improvements, but they are noticeable and it keeps improving over the months.
But you really have to exercise daily. Find something that can fit in your routine and adjust to your physical condition. Walking at a fast pace for 30 minutes a day is a good start. Bring music if it bores you.
A treadmil or a stationary bike (takes less space ) covers your base for bad weather, and you can read, listen, play or watch something while doing it.
Absolutely, exercise has had the clearest effect and benefit on every single facet of my life and my depression.
My favorite Andrew Tate thing has said was that if you're truly depressed and suicidal, give it a chance and go for a six pack. You have nothing to lose by trying and by the time you probably have a six pack you will have changed the things in your life that are making you that depressed.
Just having a more well-conditioned body significantly helps one’s mental health and self esteem.
Running anything more than a mile used to be a challenge for me. Now, I can run a 10K at a 8.5 minute per mile pace. Gaining that confidence to run longer distances also carried over to other aspects of my life.
You need to slowly come off it, perhaps longer than six months to a year and start doing strenuous exercise to let your body and brain naturally replace those chemicals. You must replace the habit with something else.
High intensity cardio and going to the gym would be my suggestion.
Depends on what dose the patient's already used to taking. Lower doses are going to be at least a little easier and quicker to wean off over time.
The poster specifically asks about 10 years of depression meds, but of course you are correct.
I know from personal experience, and from a few comments I've read in the last month alone, that it's not entirely uncommon for people to end up on a rather low dose after a few years of dealing with such meds.
Usually after rejecting doctor recommended doses and controlling their own dose to min-max with regards to any benefits vs side effects. Standard recommended doses for a lot of these meds are just godawfully high, and it takes a while for some patients to recognize and address this themselves.
There's also a fair bit of variation in efficacy and potency between different generic manufacturers that throws things off a lot too.
Good question. My understanding is that stuff is habit forming to the point that detoxing at that stage is nigh-impossible.
You essentially need to go to rehab.
This is why history is important. They literally tell us "science" has always been fake except for a few greats in History.
Galileo, Pythagoras, Newton, Einstein, the Doctors fighting COVID Vax bullshit.
All of those men were pioneers who brought new sciences to us, and some of them fought fierce opposition and stonewalling from the "consensus".
Things like Spherical Earth, buoyancy, were considered crackpot theories and were shouted down by smug cunts who thought they had it all figured out.
As someone slightly interested in history, It always amazed me how many Great scientists were ones who had to beat down all the rest of their rat clawed fellows who didn't really know shit and just did it for money and fame.
If anyone is interested,.read anatomy of an epidemic by Robert Whitaker. It was with this book that I found out how clueless psychiatry is, and how we effectively get worse results with psychiatric patients in our age of modern medication than they did in the 1930s.
Seriously, this guy did the research, and in the 30s more people with severe conditions like schizophrenia could eventually lead a normal life than today. With all our medication, people with psychiatric problems are living less fulfilling lives, and are less capabtod taking care of themselves.
You can find this book in LibGen. It's extremely well researched, and I heartly recommend it.