"WAAAAAH We can't flagrantly violate established law anymore!!!!!!"
Bonus factoids? Sure, happy to help. Miami is home to that feminist bridge that collapsed mid construction and that high rise that collapsed due to blatant neglect.
Y'know, DeSantis isn't perfect and I wouldn't vote for him as President, but he's done a lot for Florida and is putting his political career at stake with this one.
Florida has a lot of illegals and this is political suicide for any politician in today's day and age.
If you guys are looking for jobs, start looking in Florida. We need more RWers because the left is going to campaign on this issue and try to tear him down and turn Florida blue.
The really amazing part is the brazenness. These people are saying they're in the country illegally, and they're openly protesting not being able to work. While breaking the law. And acting entitled about it to boot.
If we had a working system, ICE would be going from job site to job site and rounding up the protestors, and checking their papers.
Red states that lose their farm workers are going to be dependent on blue states for food and that is NOT a position that works out well.
a) How so? We're part of the same union. Do you think they're going to imposes tariffs?
b) Maybe the reason Americans don't work the fields is because the wages are artificially low and suppressed. It's not like "farmers" (corporations) are just going to give up farming altogether and leave these industries. They'll have to take a paycut and stop exploiting workers. The free ride is over.
Florida has the distinct advantage of a climate that is hotter and wetter than any other state. There's limited competition for crops like strawberries and watermelons.
Now, would Kansas be able to put the hurt on Iowa in a similar scenario? Yes, they probably could. But you can't just move illegal migrants from central Florida to central Georgia and get the same results.
I've talked to farmers and they swear up and down that illegals are necessary for their business and Americans won't do the work no matter how much you pay them. It's very annoying.
I wonder how much there is to that, though. Basic economics says you'll get employees at a certain price point, but if the culture is bankrupt then there is a hard cap on the number of reliable American workers that will show up every day. I really don't know what to think. Seen both sides of the coin, and there is a vast population of turds out there who are somehow fine with working 20 out of 40 hours a week, randomly, and getting fired.
Also our country has grown accustomed to getting an economic free lunch from foreign labor. An iPhone should cost $2000+ without Foxconn. Then again, outsourcing and illegals depress wage growth as Unknownsailor pointed out.
Part of what irks me is that we have Visas for agricultural workers (which have far lower standards than other forms of immigration), and they still don't go through the proper channels.
So even if Americans don't want the jobs, the jobs can still be filled by foreign labor, but they're all wising up to the fact that you can just enter the country illegally and not have to worry.
this. minimum wage is a dumb economic theory, but in most cases, companies that knowingly hire illegals often violate minimum wage for those people too... once they break one employment law to such a heavy degree, it doesn't matter to break others.
if illegals weren't imported and given cover to work jobs illegally, the labor supply would be significantly lower, and wages would grow naturally.
shit, trump achieved the highest wage growth in history for blacks, women, and latinos, simply by enforcing immigration laws.
"WAAAAAH We can't flagrantly violate established law anymore!!!!!!"
Bonus factoids? Sure, happy to help. Miami is home to that feminist bridge that collapsed mid construction and that high rise that collapsed due to blatant neglect.
Whatever happened with that? I never got the update. Somebody didn't pay the annual "keep-my-building-from-collapsing" maintenance fee?
Y'know, DeSantis isn't perfect and I wouldn't vote for him as President, but he's done a lot for Florida and is putting his political career at stake with this one.
Florida has a lot of illegals and this is political suicide for any politician in today's day and age.
If you guys are looking for jobs, start looking in Florida. We need more RWers because the left is going to campaign on this issue and try to tear him down and turn Florida blue.
Here's a site with more videos from twitter. If someone wants to nitter the twitter links, feel free to do so.
https://archive.is/MBpTa
FWIW, I've heard from people in Miami that they (illegals, not the people I know) are indeed scared of going to jail or being deported.
This shit is getting real.
This is good. I hope the 2024 campaign heads back to 2016 issues like immigration.
The really amazing part is the brazenness. These people are saying they're in the country illegally, and they're openly protesting not being able to work. While breaking the law. And acting entitled about it to boot.
If we had a working system, ICE would be going from job site to job site and rounding up the protestors, and checking their papers.
True, but blue states are a lost cause, red states need to focus on staying red instead of saving America.
a) How so? We're part of the same union. Do you think they're going to imposes tariffs?
b) Maybe the reason Americans don't work the fields is because the wages are artificially low and suppressed. It's not like "farmers" (corporations) are just going to give up farming altogether and leave these industries. They'll have to take a paycut and stop exploiting workers. The free ride is over.
Florida has the distinct advantage of a climate that is hotter and wetter than any other state. There's limited competition for crops like strawberries and watermelons.
Now, would Kansas be able to put the hurt on Iowa in a similar scenario? Yes, they probably could. But you can't just move illegal migrants from central Florida to central Georgia and get the same results.
Bankruptcy and depression is survivable.
I wonder how people ever got work done in America before the arrival of gentlemen like these.
I've talked to farmers and they swear up and down that illegals are necessary for their business and Americans won't do the work no matter how much you pay them. It's very annoying.
I wonder how much there is to that, though. Basic economics says you'll get employees at a certain price point, but if the culture is bankrupt then there is a hard cap on the number of reliable American workers that will show up every day. I really don't know what to think. Seen both sides of the coin, and there is a vast population of turds out there who are somehow fine with working 20 out of 40 hours a week, randomly, and getting fired.
Also our country has grown accustomed to getting an economic free lunch from foreign labor. An iPhone should cost $2000+ without Foxconn. Then again, outsourcing and illegals depress wage growth as Unknownsailor pointed out.
Part of what irks me is that we have Visas for agricultural workers (which have far lower standards than other forms of immigration), and they still don't go through the proper channels.
So even if Americans don't want the jobs, the jobs can still be filled by foreign labor, but they're all wising up to the fact that you can just enter the country illegally and not have to worry.
They also subsidize the lower wages with social safety nets. It’s a broken system because if we did it we’d be thrown in jail.
this. minimum wage is a dumb economic theory, but in most cases, companies that knowingly hire illegals often violate minimum wage for those people too... once they break one employment law to such a heavy degree, it doesn't matter to break others.
if illegals weren't imported and given cover to work jobs illegally, the labor supply would be significantly lower, and wages would grow naturally.
shit, trump achieved the highest wage growth in history for blacks, women, and latinos, simply by enforcing immigration laws.