I’ve attended a handful of events on feminism and feminist issues and it’s disheartening to see how few men attend these events. It feels a-bit hopeless to deal with issues like misogyny, equal participation in the home and sexual assault when the people who need to take action aren’t the ones in the room.
The men who are successful enough with women for these factors to come into play aren't the ones attending events like this. They only attract simps like yourself who couldn't get their dicks wet if their lives depended on it.
Talk about the issues facing men in current society like loneliness, high suicide rates and developing health relationships with partners ... and then move to more challenging topics for men to take on like consent and equal participation in the house hold.
So a bait and switch. You can't have an honest discussion on those topics without also talking about false accusations and the fact women will work bullshit jobs so they can LARP as Strong Independent women and then act like those jobs contribute equally to the household to extract more domestic labor from their beta slaves. Why is it that male feminists turn out to be weasels every fucking time?
Like someone said that she felt like men only listened when they were her boyfriend
We're not obligated to listen to random harpies who don't do jack shit for us. At least if she's putting out we have a reason to put with her nonsense.
Also I feel like men lack emotional maturity and I have no idea how I can help change that
The men that you're trying to trick into your sick ideology aren't the ones trying to sell their humanity for feminist pee pee touches. If this is what you're concerned about maybe it's time to look at the man in the mirror.
There are also comments telling him that he needs moderators to stop people from discussing unapproved topics like a meat space tranny janny. It's like they're trying to attract every loser within a 100 mile radius of the event.
I've been through this process at my place of work (corporate IT), and the most effective advocates were the feminist men talking to and educating the non feminist men. There has to be a full programme of education to effect change, but having people that anti feminist men respect (i.e other men) as part of your programme is key, otherwise the message just won't go in
Duh, in a men's only space you can call out a faggot for parroting faggy ideas and get laughs from your colleagues without the snarkness from danger glasses wearing women.
Hahaha I have trouble believing “feminist men” make headway against “anti feminist men.” I mean, I’m not ragingly anti-feminist I don’t think, just kind of… “not feminist” and I’ll call a faggot a faggot because I’m a guy and we’re ruthless with each other. In part because MOST of us can take it. Like, I don’t think I’d sit there and try to pound my chest and refute every point and shout over the feminist semi-man. I’d just sit there, hear his entire spiel, and then say “…sounds gay” and move on with my day. Some dude who wanted to fight the feminist on his points would have him in tears.
You can't have an honest discussion on those topics without also talking about false accusations and the fact women will work bullshit jobs so they can LARP as Strong Independent women and then act like those jobs contribute equally to the household to extract more domestic labor from their beta slaves.
Honestly, I don't know why women think "emotional labor" is a winning issue. What about the labor of working to pay for the house she lives in for free?
They are so transparently wishing to treat men as slaves.
Why is it that male feminists turn out to be weasels every fucking time?
I'm not sure the user is actually male. The writing style is too effeminate.
Starting at the need to tell others how they should behave to the complete lack of idea how to realize the cushy vision to the unearned entitlement and feeling of superiority to the thinly veiled call for confirmation
Or is it? You assume that the poster comes from a place of good faith and actually thinks there's a possibility that men can benefit from feminism.
Plot twist: There isn't and the poster is aware. They don't care one bit about men, except how to extract their work and resources.
The poster knows that men are the enemy because feminism has declared men the enemy from the get go. The only problem is that most men are not aware that they are the enemy.
"Make sure you frame the problems facing men in a very specific structured and controlled way. If you point out these realities but let them think for themselves in even the slightest capacity or allow any free dialog, they'll immediately become your enemy." That's quite the lack of self-awareness.
It's SOP, too. I've seen nearly that exact response whenever any similar question comes up. It's actually remarkably consistent: "Use a moderator with an iron fist to make sure you're only talking about the exact issues you want, in the way you want." It's how they roll.
Not the primary point, but...this fucker used two commas in five generally large paragraphs. I know I might use too many commas, but come on. This 'college student's' writing just feels incredibly simplistic. I used two commas just in this one paragraph, naturally. Now three. He's just like 'words period words period words period.' Aside from periods, the only other punctuation is...he only (grossly mis)uses hyphens, uses one slash, and then uses parentheses with broken grammar. He correctly uses apostrophes, that's pretty much the best I can say.
Also, what the fuck is a 'pro-feminist' stance/event anyway? Feminism is already an (allegedly) 'pro-woman' movement, so does 'pro-feminist' mean 'pro-pro-women?' It would just be a 'feminist event,' not a 'pro-feminist event.'
This dude comes across as a not terrible bright or introspective guy who got absorbed into the cult. Possibly also autistic.
Ugh, I'm just so tired of these sorts of people. Modern society is massively fucked. It makes me feel a little hopeless sometimes, having these brainlets running around. So thanks for that, OP. The only positive with these people is that, if things swing, they're so unquestioning that they'll suddenly be on our side, if that's the popular view. Normies taketh, but normies also giveth. This is basically the definition of an NPC; if we can reprogram him, he'll instantly flip, without even realizing it.
If you have the patience, MensLib is a great example of what happens when feminists try to talk about men's issues.
Trust me, I know lol. From time to time I post their stuff here so everyone can point and laugh at the retards. Fun fact: MensLib and its retarded brother BroPill are teeming with FtM troons who want to LARP as "one of the guys" by posting in "male spaces" but would never be taken seriously in a real male space. When Imp says that those subs are full of women pretending to be men he's not kidding.
As others have pointed out, OP's writing ability is comically bad. The college he attends should be ashamed of themselves.
I listened to the Richard Reeves Male Inequality video, and while it's interesting I think there's a serious danger that it could start the conversation off in a really negative way. If you search just on reddit for Richard Reeves you'll find a lot of anti feminists raging about the content of that video and his book, or just bouncing off it's existence to have one of their standard rants. Here's one example I found . . . .
“When men outperform women, it’s discrimination and oppression! Women are being held back , waaaaaa! When women outperform men, that’s the way it should’ve always been. Women are just better “ Feminist logic in a nutshell, they don’t preach equality, they enjoy domination and they’ll fight to keep that domination going."
I know I sound really negative, but there's a real chance your event could go seriously off the rails if you don't throughly consider the audience, the content, what you believe the objectives and outputs are, how you'll moderate the conversation, and how you'll deal with any disruption.
I like how she doesn't even attempt to explain why that's incorrect. (Obviously we know she doesn't try because it's true and any attempt to explain it away will lead her sounding like a dumbass.)
"Talk about the issues facing men in current society like loneliness, high suicide rates and developing health relationships with partners."
If you've spent any time on this or other feminist subs then you'll know these are topics that frequently come up here but usually in the context of 'if women are actually oppressed then why do men kill themselves more often' etc etc . . . . so my word of caution for you on these topics is to ensure you frame them correctly and have a very strong and knowledgeable moderator for conversations that can help ensure they don't all disappear down an unproductive and self indulgent MRA rabbit hole.
Yeah, go fuck yourself. The OP just comes across as a clueless and pathetic NPC, this guy/girl is nasty, though. God forbid we talk about issues impacting men, even as a way to talk about how men can be more subservient to women. That just won't do. Gotta nip that shit in the bud. Keep such topics as men killing themselves short and sweet, and get back to the important topic of women not being comfortable enough.
Women being comfortable enough challenge (impossible.)
Also, you have got to love how so many of these sorts of answers involve 'get a heavy-handed moderator to stop any actual discussion, and keep the propaganda flowing.'
I fucking loath these people.
I listened to the Richard Reeves Male Inequality video, and while it's interesting I think there's a serious danger that it could start the conversation off in a really negative way. If you search just on reddit for Richard Reeves you'll find a lot of anti feminists raging about the content of that video and his book, or just bouncing off it's existence to have one of their standard rants...
Haven't seen that video, but the argument here is...'people discussed this in a way I didn't like, so we have to hide this, even if it supports our cause, because too many people question it.' Have I mentioned I loath these retards?
Here's one example I found . . . .“When men outperform women, it’s discrimination and oppression! Women are being held back , waaaaaa! When women outperform men, that’s the way it should’ve always been. Women are just better “ Feminist logic in a nutshell, they don’t preach equality, they enjoy domination and they’ll fight to keep that domination going."
A) Get your quotation nesting correct and B) go fuck yourself, you harpy.
Also, that's a correct argument, that you're not going to address in the slightest, because you're a retarded feminist who doesn't have an answer. Why is women outperforming men a good thing that doesn't need a solution, but the inverse is not true? And, more importantly, is there a logical endpoint? If 'success' (however you measure such a thing) reached a point 0f 90/10 in favor of women...would it be time to pillory feminists, and make "MRA talking points" hip and acceptable narrative? Somehow, I doubt it.
I know I sound really negative, but there's a real chance your event could go seriously off the rails if you don't throughly consider the audience, the content, what you believe the objectives and outputs are, how you'll moderate the conversation, and how you'll deal with any disruption.
Once again, fuck this harpy. Also, further proof that no man should ever be a feminist, and we should go back to the good old days of laughing at the very idea.
"Are you a feminist?" "...no, I'm a man, you silly bint."
Perhaps you could start with a very small group of people you know to test some content and see how they respond so you can fully prepare for a larger audience.
To be clear, I think it's a great idea, just make sure you go into it as prepared as you possibly can be to make sure it's productive.
And here we again see that their answer is, essentially, tyranny and authoritarianism.
Gosh, I'm feeling especially angry this evening, I suppose. Oh well, was a fun rant. Seriously, these people are the fucking worst. Perhaps the most insulting part is that they're not the masterminds. These are the useful idiots. Doesn't make them any less vicious or oppressive, though.
Men are far more emotionally mature than women, in fact, their authoritarian need to control what people say and do because of their feelings is a direct consequence of emotional immaturity. They literally cannot 😂
Watch any street fight or car accident video. There is almost always some woman screaming "Oh my god!" x400. It's almost never the woman keeping their cool and handling a situation.
I have a dream, that one day all little children will learn nothing more of Hillary Clinton than that quote, and their teacher will lead them in a recitation of one of the four truths of the universe: "Hillary Clinton was a miserable cunt."
all the men who ushered women and children onto finite boats knowing they wouldn't get one.
Reminds me of my very controversial post about the Titanic, where I said men should have recognized the feminist leader on the ship and blocked her from getting on a boat. Instead, she survived and campaigned alongside Emmeline Pankhurst.
The men who are successful enough with women for these factors to come into play aren't the ones attending events like this. They only attract simps like yourself who couldn't get their dicks wet if their lives depended on it.
So a bait and switch. You can't have an honest discussion on those topics without also talking about false accusations and the fact women will work bullshit jobs so they can LARP as Strong Independent women and then act like those jobs contribute equally to the household to extract more domestic labor from their beta slaves. Why is it that male feminists turn out to be weasels every fucking time?
We're not obligated to listen to random harpies who don't do jack shit for us. At least if she's putting out we have a reason to put with her nonsense.
The men that you're trying to trick into your sick ideology aren't the ones trying to sell their humanity for feminist pee pee touches. If this is what you're concerned about maybe it's time to look at the man in the mirror.
There are also comments telling him that he needs moderators to stop people from discussing unapproved topics like a meat space tranny janny. It's like they're trying to attract every loser within a 100 mile radius of the event.
I liked this part of a commenter.
Duh, in a men's only space you can call out a faggot for parroting faggy ideas and get laughs from your colleagues without the snarkness from danger glasses wearing women.
Hahaha I have trouble believing “feminist men” make headway against “anti feminist men.” I mean, I’m not ragingly anti-feminist I don’t think, just kind of… “not feminist” and I’ll call a faggot a faggot because I’m a guy and we’re ruthless with each other. In part because MOST of us can take it. Like, I don’t think I’d sit there and try to pound my chest and refute every point and shout over the feminist semi-man. I’d just sit there, hear his entire spiel, and then say “…sounds gay” and move on with my day. Some dude who wanted to fight the feminist on his points would have him in tears.
Honestly, I don't know why women think "emotional labor" is a winning issue. What about the labor of working to pay for the house she lives in for free?
They are so transparently wishing to treat men as slaves.
I'm not sure the user is actually male. The writing style is too effeminate.
This whole thread made me angry enough to agree with you in this instance.
Not on this though. I'm fully able to believe that person is a
manmale. Have you seen males nowadays? Especially college students.If anything, he's too effeminate to be a woman.
I also got female vibes from the post.
Starting at the need to tell others how they should behave to the complete lack of idea how to realize the cushy vision to the unearned entitlement and feeling of superiority to the thinly veiled call for confirmation
Or is it? You assume that the poster comes from a place of good faith and actually thinks there's a possibility that men can benefit from feminism.
Plot twist: There isn't and the poster is aware. They don't care one bit about men, except how to extract their work and resources.
The poster knows that men are the enemy because feminism has declared men the enemy from the get go. The only problem is that most men are not aware that they are the enemy.
It's SOP, too. I've seen nearly that exact response whenever any similar question comes up. It's actually remarkably consistent: "Use a moderator with an iron fist to make sure you're only talking about the exact issues you want, in the way you want." It's how they roll.
Not the primary point, but...this fucker used two commas in five generally large paragraphs. I know I might use too many commas, but come on. This 'college student's' writing just feels incredibly simplistic. I used two commas just in this one paragraph, naturally. Now three. He's just like 'words period words period words period.' Aside from periods, the only other punctuation is...he only (grossly mis)uses hyphens, uses one slash, and then uses parentheses with broken grammar. He correctly uses apostrophes, that's pretty much the best I can say.
Also, what the fuck is a 'pro-feminist' stance/event anyway? Feminism is already an (allegedly) 'pro-woman' movement, so does 'pro-feminist' mean 'pro-pro-women?' It would just be a 'feminist event,' not a 'pro-feminist event.'
This dude comes across as a not terrible bright or introspective guy who got absorbed into the cult. Possibly also autistic.
Ugh, I'm just so tired of these sorts of people. Modern society is massively fucked. It makes me feel a little hopeless sometimes, having these brainlets running around. So thanks for that, OP. The only positive with these people is that, if things swing, they're so unquestioning that they'll suddenly be on our side, if that's the popular view. Normies taketh, but normies also giveth. This is basically the definition of an NPC; if we can reprogram him, he'll instantly flip, without even realizing it.
Trust me, I know lol. From time to time I post their stuff here so everyone can point and laugh at the retards. Fun fact: MensLib and its retarded brother BroPill are teeming with FtM troons who want to LARP as "one of the guys" by posting in "male spaces" but would never be taken seriously in a real male space. When Imp says that those subs are full of women pretending to be men he's not kidding.
As others have pointed out, OP's writing ability is comically bad. The college he attends should be ashamed of themselves.
I like how she doesn't even attempt to explain why that's incorrect. (Obviously we know she doesn't try because it's true and any attempt to explain it away will lead her sounding like a dumbass.)
Accidently based?
Yah, it'd be bad if some logic and facts disrupted the emotional drivel that's the foundation of feminism.
So men aren’t entering feminist spaces and feminist women complain?
From the comments:
Yeah, go fuck yourself. The OP just comes across as a clueless and pathetic NPC, this guy/girl is nasty, though. God forbid we talk about issues impacting men, even as a way to talk about how men can be more subservient to women. That just won't do. Gotta nip that shit in the bud. Keep such topics as men killing themselves short and sweet, and get back to the important topic of women not being comfortable enough.
Women being comfortable enough challenge (impossible.)
Also, you have got to love how so many of these sorts of answers involve 'get a heavy-handed moderator to stop any actual discussion, and keep the propaganda flowing.'
I fucking loath these people.
Haven't seen that video, but the argument here is...'people discussed this in a way I didn't like, so we have to hide this, even if it supports our cause, because too many people question it.' Have I mentioned I loath these retards?
A) Get your quotation nesting correct and B) go fuck yourself, you harpy.
Also, that's a correct argument, that you're not going to address in the slightest, because you're a retarded feminist who doesn't have an answer. Why is women outperforming men a good thing that doesn't need a solution, but the inverse is not true? And, more importantly, is there a logical endpoint? If 'success' (however you measure such a thing) reached a point 0f 90/10 in favor of women...would it be time to pillory feminists, and make "MRA talking points" hip and acceptable narrative? Somehow, I doubt it.
Once again, fuck this harpy. Also, further proof that no man should ever be a feminist, and we should go back to the good old days of laughing at the very idea.
"Are you a feminist?" "...no, I'm a man, you silly bint."
And here we again see that their answer is, essentially, tyranny and authoritarianism.
Gosh, I'm feeling especially angry this evening, I suppose. Oh well, was a fun rant. Seriously, these people are the fucking worst. Perhaps the most insulting part is that they're not the masterminds. These are the useful idiots. Doesn't make them any less vicious or oppressive, though.
Men are far more emotionally mature than women, in fact, their authoritarian need to control what people say and do because of their feelings is a direct consequence of emotional immaturity. They literally cannot 😂
Watch any street fight or car accident video. There is almost always some woman screaming "Oh my god!" x400. It's almost never the woman keeping their cool and handling a situation.
"Now, now, think of the wives and daughters these men left behind, who are the real victims."
I have a dream, that one day all little children will learn nothing more of Hillary Clinton than that quote, and their teacher will lead them in a recitation of one of the four truths of the universe: "Hillary Clinton was a miserable cunt."
Reminds me of my very controversial post about the Titanic, where I said men should have recognized the feminist leader on the ship and blocked her from getting on a boat. Instead, she survived and campaigned alongside Emmeline Pankhurst.
I found the link I posted!