Google Is Paying Mozilla $450M Per Year To Be The Default Search Engine On Firefox Keep Firefox Alive But Non-Competitive So That It Isn't Sued for Monopoly
FTFY
What default search engine Firefox's remaining 5 users use is not worth anywhere near $450M/year.
Firefox is still a great browser and the only actual alternative besides Safari.
Your definition of competitive is one purely based on the default browsers installed upon an OS and phones which, not surprisingly, is how Google/Microsoft/Apple hold their share of the web browser market.
If Firefox were the default browser installed on 95% of the world's computers and smart phones, they'd have a monopoly on the web browser market share by default.
If you want to use a Firefox-like browser, you can use a fork like Water Fox and not support the programmer socks wearing danger hairs at Mozilla. Its like the argument with Bud Light, yes all browser devs are woke, but we can choose to not support Mozilla.
If you want to use a Firefox-like browser, you can use a fork like Water Fox
Those forks still rely on Mozilla maintaining Firefox, just like Brave/Opera/etc rely on Google to maintain Chromium.
However, if you prefer forks, go for it.
FWIW, the only Firefox fork I've found that keeps up with updates is LibreWolf. I just found out about it so I can't vouch for it, but it says its main focus is privacy and security, which sounds promising.
but we can choose to not support Mozilla.
That's your absolute right to do so. And they're not a good company by any means.
The main point I'm making is you're going to support the enemy regardless of what you pick, so you might as well pick the browser you like.
The main point I'm making is you're going to support the enemy regardless of what you pick, so you might as well pick the browser you like.
Firefox is the Bud Light piss water of browsers. Yes, Google is evil. Yes, Apple is evil. Same thing with Molson Coors, they're just as woke as AB Inbev. A collective boycott of Mozilla specifically is sending a message even if it has the side effect of supporting another woke company. Besides, I'd argue that Mozilla is the wokest company of the woke browser makers.
In 2023, Firefox doesn't need to exist. And if you don't like how Google is developing Chromium, then fork it like how Microsoft did.
Waterfox is a soft fork of (and reliant on) FF. It's also owned by the ad company System1, of google search frontend Startpage, as well as Bing frontend Dogpile. Together with Startmail, and a whole host of other venues.
Because you should use the least evil/worst one, and that's not a google chromium browser. Starting with worst, there's safari (web kit) & google chromium (blink) [shared place], chromium forks, firefox (gecko), FF forks, Pale Moon (Goanna).
Your definition of competitive is one purely based on the default browsers installed upon an OS and phones which, not surprisingly, is how Google/Microsoft/Apple hold their share of the web browser market.
I see you're 12 years old and weren't an independent human in 2009 when Firefox was the dominant browser in spite of not being installed by default on anything.
I have used Brave for a while and like it. The only problem is that it's a downstream fork of Chromium. Not a worry to me but I can understand why people wouldn't like that.
Their search is pretty good too, for general topics. It's not as complete as Google but it's getting better and Google is progressively getting worse* so they'll eventually be at parity.
(*It's fucking broken in fact. Just yesterday I searched for something at Google Images and there was literally 1 image result. The regular search page returned a hundred links. But somehow those links didn't make it to Images...?)
"When you install Vivaldi browser (“Vivaldi”), each installation profile is assigned a unique user ID that is stored on your computer. Vivaldi will send a message using HTTPS directly to our servers located in Iceland every 24 hours containing this ID, version, cpu architecture, screen resolution and time since last message. We anonymize the IP address of Vivaldi users by removing the last octet of the IP address from your Vivaldi client then we store the resolved approximate location after using a local geoip lookup."
Does it? My understanding is that many chromium browsers, while being originally forked from it, are independently developed at this point and aren't tied to Google.
Nah, they're all soft forks, and constantly re-base/update against main chromium build. Hence they often talk about upstream and downstream. Here's the Open Source versions showing it (Opera/Vivaldi/SRWare Iron/Edge/etc are Closed Source); https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/29839
I actually use Edge instead of Chrome. I use Brave for the most part. So Edge is my browser for crap that doesnt' work in Brave. I have no installed chrome on this computer because I've had no reason. Edge does everything, and I don't have a preference on Google spying on me vs Microsoft.
Like most of their Firefox userbase.
Blue-haired genderfree tubs of lard in Marketing saw those numbers and said "Still too many chuds. We can do better than that!"
Daily reminder that Mozilla is a corrupt Google lackey who is opposed to Internet freedom and privacy.
And nothing of value was lost.
Seriously, though, this is going to be a massive failure and it's very doubtful anyone will use it.
Your options are essentially Chromium-based browsers - it's built by Google, who finances Mozilla.
Google Is Paying Mozilla $450M Per Year To Be The Default Search Engine On Firefox
You'll always be supporting the wrong side in the browser wars so you might as well stick to the one you like.
FTFY
What default search engine Firefox's remaining 5 users use is not worth anywhere near $450M/year.
Competitive is subjective.
Firefox is still a great browser and the only actual alternative besides Safari.
Your definition of competitive is one purely based on the default browsers installed upon an OS and phones which, not surprisingly, is how Google/Microsoft/Apple hold their share of the web browser market.
If Firefox were the default browser installed on 95% of the world's computers and smart phones, they'd have a monopoly on the web browser market share by default.
If you want to use a Firefox-like browser, you can use a fork like Water Fox and not support the programmer socks wearing danger hairs at Mozilla. Its like the argument with Bud Light, yes all browser devs are woke, but we can choose to not support Mozilla.
Those forks still rely on Mozilla maintaining Firefox, just like Brave/Opera/etc rely on Google to maintain Chromium.
However, if you prefer forks, go for it.
FWIW, the only Firefox fork I've found that keeps up with updates is LibreWolf. I just found out about it so I can't vouch for it, but it says its main focus is privacy and security, which sounds promising.
That's your absolute right to do so. And they're not a good company by any means.
The main point I'm making is you're going to support the enemy regardless of what you pick, so you might as well pick the browser you like.
Firefox is the Bud Light piss water of browsers. Yes, Google is evil. Yes, Apple is evil. Same thing with Molson Coors, they're just as woke as AB Inbev. A collective boycott of Mozilla specifically is sending a message even if it has the side effect of supporting another woke company. Besides, I'd argue that Mozilla is the wokest company of the woke browser makers.
In 2023, Firefox doesn't need to exist. And if you don't like how Google is developing Chromium, then fork it like how Microsoft did.
Waterfox is a soft fork of (and reliant on) FF. It's also owned by the ad company System1, of google search frontend Startpage, as well as Bing frontend Dogpile. Together with Startmail, and a whole host of other venues.
I just picked a fork arbitrarily. I don't use any FF derivative at all. I don't see the need to.
Because you should use the least evil/worst one, and that's not a google chromium browser. Starting with worst, there's safari (web kit) & google chromium (blink) [shared place], chromium forks, firefox (gecko), FF forks, Pale Moon (Goanna).
Using google gives them power.
I see you're 12 years old and weren't an independent human in 2009 when Firefox was the dominant browser in spite of not being installed by default on anything.
You start with that and expect people to continue reading?
You're fucking retarded.
Here you go. Good luck!
Which browser did you have in mind?
I have used Brave for a while and like it. The only problem is that it's a downstream fork of Chromium. Not a worry to me but I can understand why people wouldn't like that.
Their search is pretty good too, for general topics. It's not as complete as Google but it's getting better and Google is progressively getting worse* so they'll eventually be at parity.
(*It's fucking broken in fact. Just yesterday I searched for something at Google Images and there was literally 1 image result. The regular search page returned a hundred links. But somehow those links didn't make it to Images...?)
Google is de-listing massive chunks of the internet. I don't know if it's ideological, SEO $$/adoption extortion or maybe a bit of both.
Images sucks so bad now.
Then you should try out Pale Moon.
Let me know how it goes. I've been using Brave for a while and I was considering switching.
Then you don't want Vivaldi, at all. https://vivaldi.com/privacy/browser/
"When you install Vivaldi browser (“Vivaldi”), each installation profile is assigned a unique user ID that is stored on your computer. Vivaldi will send a message using HTTPS directly to our servers located in Iceland every 24 hours containing this ID, version, cpu architecture, screen resolution and time since last message. We anonymize the IP address of Vivaldi users by removing the last octet of the IP address from your Vivaldi client then we store the resolved approximate location after using a local geoip lookup."
That seems extremely tame if that's the worst thing they do.
It does put paid to them being about Privacy. It's also a google chromium browser and continues to prop up their monopoly.
Does it? My understanding is that many chromium browsers, while being originally forked from it, are independently developed at this point and aren't tied to Google.
Nah, they're all soft forks, and constantly re-base/update against main chromium build. Hence they often talk about upstream and downstream. Here's the Open Source versions showing it (Opera/Vivaldi/SRWare Iron/Edge/etc are Closed Source); https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/29839
https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium/commit/5bf56b199816e5ddb3bab7d0a495c695c0a073e7
https://github.com/Alex313031/thorium/releases
Just use Gab, Torba's pretty good NGL
But everyone is already somewhere else? Lol
you type like a massive faggot, steve.
Didn't Edge overtake Firefox in users?
Imagine being less used than the default browser everyone only uses to install Chrome. (I still like Edge, but this is true)
Edge > everything else.
Even with the garbage news articles on the homepage.
Edge is chrome based
I'm aware of that.
I actually use Edge instead of Chrome. I use Brave for the most part. So Edge is my browser for crap that doesnt' work in Brave. I have no installed chrome on this computer because I've had no reason. Edge does everything, and I don't have a preference on Google spying on me vs Microsoft.