You shouldn't expect countries like Ukraine to be any different. But this is what the morally bankrupt Western leaders support, and in fact, what they call "democracy" and "rule of law". A barely viable terror regime propped up by massive subsidies from the Empire.
They will support anything that allows them to colonize Ukraine for their global homogenization and 'puppy play'.
much better to let Putin's evil empire expand and do the same shit but worse
"But they are WORSE!"
I wouldn't mind as much if the criminal regimes you support admitted what this is about. This is about their power. This is about geopolitics. This isn't about your phony 'democracy', nor is it about the sovereignty of a puppet non-country. It's the hypocrisy and the deceit that bothers me.
and then attempt to amass power to fight a war against NATO eventually.
Just yesterday, you were lecturing me about how Putin is rational, and that he doesn't want to get nuked. Now he wants to fight a war against NATO, which will get him nuked.
your obsession with that tranny is disturbing
It's disturbing that such a 'person' gets a high government position, and that you export his deviance, BLM and other nonsense to my country. Not you personally.
This is about their power. This is about geopolitics. This isn't about your phony 'democracy', nor is it about the sovereignty of a puppet non-country. It's the hypocrisy and the deceit that bothers me.
Wrong, it's about protecting a free and peaceful people from the jaws of an evil empire. It's about doing what is right and good in the face of evil. You just can't stand that your team in all this is so unabashedly evil and you need to engage in this pretzel twist logic as a cope so you can pretend that your enemies are not as righteous as they so clearly are.
And obviously I don't know or care who this guy is, and he doesn't represent Ukraine, but Ukraine has always been admitted to have issues because it is a descendant of the USSR and inherited corrupt Soviet culture.
Just yesterday, you were lecturing me about how Putin is rational, and that he doesn't want to get nuked. Now he wants to fight a war against NATO, which will get him nuked.
No, there is no reason to believe that NATO would use nukes against Russia in response to a conventional attack, especially since NATO could quite easily stomp any conventional attack conventionally without any need for nukes.
It's disturbing that such a 'person' gets a high government position, and that you export his deviance, BLM and other nonsense to my country. Not you personally.
It is true that intersectionality, the ideology of wokeness, demands that trannies be appointed to high government positons as a reward for being shock troops for the intersectional coalition, though the bag snatcher was in a somewhat power position and a much more senior tranny is 17th Assistant Secretary for Health ADMIRAL Rachel Leland Levine.
Man, you really did swallow the civnat dick, huh? This is painful to read. You’d cheer for a tranny marrying a six year old as long as they’re all wearing an American flag. It’s pathetic.
America was a nation. A nation is a people. That people is gone. Replaced by mass immigration, brainwashed by Jewish Bolsheviks, drugged by cartels and China. Russia is about the furthest thing we have for an enemy right now, and you call them evil. Utterly retarded.
Wrong, it's about protecting a free and peaceful people from the jaws of an evil empire.
Like the US overthrew Mossadegh, like it planned to assassinate Lumumba, like it did a color revolution against Yanukovich.
Ukraine is not "free". They're banning the Orthodox Church. The SBU intimidates judges to get sentences of TWELVE years against people criticizing the garbage government run from the State Department.
Ukraine is not "peaceful". It's been terrorizing the Donbas for 8 years. It's been gathering arms and munitions to mount an assault on the Donbas. Ukraine has been agitating for a world war for a year now.
Ukraine is not even a country. It's been part of the Russian Empire for over 200 years. It's a pathetic shithole, a miserable failure of even a fake country with a fraction of the per capita GDP of Russia.
The disappearance of this corrupt, puppet shithole non-country will be a net improvement for freedom, peace and count of purported countries that are actual countries.
It's about doing what is right and good in the face of evil.
That is the dumb people explanation, and you are not dumb. You suffer from an over-identification with the criminals who rule your country.
When has the US government done what is "right and good"? Evil is launching wars of aggression on the other side of the world, in Iraq, Syria, Libya and Yugoslavia. Evil is overthrowing a democratically elected president in 2014 to expand your empire. Evil is sabotaging a peace agreement between Malorussia and Great Russia for your own geopolitical ambitions.
You just can't stand that your team in all this is so unabashedly evil
The evil side is the one that provoked the war, and which is now (in the words of the psycho neocon Lindsey Graham) fighting until the last Ukrainian.
And obviously I don't know or care who this guy is, and he doesn't represent Ukraine,
The HEAD of its intelligence service doesn't respresent Ukraine? Then who does?
but Ukraine has always been admitted to have issues because it is a descendant of the USSR and inherited corrupt Soviet culture.
Ukraine was doing much better under the USSR, despite the counterproductive communist economic system.
No, there is no reason to believe that NATO would use nukes against Russia in response to a conventional attack, especially since NATO could quite easily stomp any conventional attack conventionally without any need for nukes.
So you simultaneously argue that Putin is such a threat that he is working on attacking NATO, but he's also so weak that NATO will easily repulse it? It all makes zero sense. It's the typical Doublethink that you were taught to think by your media.
If there will be no nuclear war due to an invasion of NATO by Russia (even where it has no right to be under its No Inch East promise), then there's nothing to worry about, right?
It is true that intersectionality, the ideology of wokeness, demands that trannies be appointed to high government positons as a reward for being shock troops for the intersectional coalition, though the bag snatcher was in a somewhat power position and a much more senior tranny is 17th Assistant Secretary for Health ADMIRAL Rachel Leland Levine.
Ah yes, the first female admiral. Responsible for many thousands of deaths in Pennsylvania.
you're bringing up some shit from the 1950s? 70 years old at this point? LOL
not relevant
The US isn't like it was back then. I wish it was, but it's not.
it did a color revolution against Yanukovich.
The Ukrainian people did that revolution on their own after Yanukovich outed himself as a Russian puppet and enemy of democracy. The US was not involved at all, it was solely the will of the Ukrainian people.
Ukraine is not "free". They're banning the Orthodox Church.
Only the RUSSIAN Orthodox Church, which they have caught multiple times acting as a front for Russian government espionage. 100% legitimate ban.
The Ukrainian Orthodox Church will still be around.
The SBU intimidates judges to get sentences of TWELVE years against people criticizing the garbage government run from the State Department.
Don't know about that, don't care regardless. Ukraine does not have to be perfect and sinless to deserve Western aid to preserve its freedom and sovereignty against an evil Russian empire and it's goals of Ukrainian cultural genocide. Whatever flaws Ukraine has, it inherited from the evil Russian-led Soviet Union.
Ukraine is not "peaceful". It's been terrorizing the Donbas for 8 years. It's been gathering arms and munitions to mount an assault on the Donbas.
Donbas is part of Ukraine's internationally recognized borders. Putin conducted an invasion in 2014 and lied to claim he wasn't doing it when he obviously was.
Ukraine has always been within its right to drive the illegal Russian invasion out of Donbas.
Ukraine is not even a country.
It literally is, and you are mentally ill for suggesting otherwise.
It's been part of the Russian Empire for over 200 years.
False.
The USSR was, according to Russians, not a "Russian Empire", therefore the Russian empire ceased to exist in 1917, and Ukraine existed as the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, which included Crimea. In 1991, it became a fully independent nation and has been such for 32 years now.
It's a pathetic shithole, a miserable failure of even a fake country with a fraction of the per capita GDP of Russia.
And yet... Russia is willing to throw away its whole military and future in a failed attempt to conquer it.
And yet... Russia is inferior militarily to Ukraine and incapable of defeating it on the battlefield, and has lost at least 2 major battles to Ukraine, the only two times Ukraine launched offensives.
The disappearance of this corrupt, puppet shithole non-country will be a net improvement for freedom, peace and count of purported countries that are actual countries.
Spoken like someone who shills for the Russian government, either paid or unpaid.
That is the dumb people explanation, and you are not dumb.
No, it is the correct explanation. You suffer from the delusion that all people are just as evil as the corrupt Russian elites are, and some people just hide it better. This is so clearly contradicted by history and current events as I have witnessed them throughout my lifetime that I can only conclude you are willfully delusional in order to cope and engage in apologia for the evil Russian leadership.
When has the US government done what is "right and good"?
Pretty much everything the US does. I wish the US government would behave more selfishly but the US State Dept is infested with "do gooders" who waste US taxpayer funds to virtue signal.
I don't think the US SHOULD be good. We should be a ruthless, dominating empire that ALLOWS the world freedom as a sort of noblesse oblige.
The evil side is the one that provoked the war, and which is now (in the words of the psycho neocon Lindsey Graham) fighting until the last Ukrainian.
You sound like a rapist blaming his rape victim for "provoking" him by wearing a tight dress.
The HEAD of its intelligence service doesn't respresent Ukraine? Then who does?
Vasyl Malyuk is lower rank and heads the KGB descendant SBU only quite recently since 7 February 2023: "The agency was viewed negatively by the Ukrainian public for much of its history, as it was widely regarded as corrupt and was best known for arresting and intimidating political dissidents. After the Revolution of Dignity in 2014, the SBU went through a restructuring with the transition to the new government, because of its corruption and infiltration by the intelligence agencies of Russia."
Apparently he obtained his position for being ruthless against Russian spies, a desirable trait in a war. Apparently he is good at his job since you are so angry with him.
Ukraine was doing much better under the USSR, despite the counterproductive communist economic system.
Russia has also gone to great lengths to hold Ukraine down since 1991 and keep Ukraine corrupt and under Russia's control. That's why the people got fed up and wanted to break free from Russian domination and seek out the EU instead.
So you simultaneously argue that Putin is such a threat that he is working on attacking NATO, but he's also so weak that NATO will easily repulse it?
Correct. An attack, however easily repulsed, is better prevented altogether. Why waste NATO lives when Ukraine is willing to do the fighting and destroy the Russian military for us? It's a win-win. Ukraine keeps its freedom & NATO gets to destroy the Russian military without a single casualty.
If there will be no nuclear war due to an invasion of NATO by Russia (even where it has no right to be under its No Inch East promise), then there's nothing to worry about, right?
Since when is non-nuclear war not worrisome? I think the entire policy of the United States regarding China ought to be oriented towards gaining maximum advantage in the future CONVENTIONAL war I expect China to launch against our allies.
Ah yes, the first female admiral. Responsible for many thousands of deaths in Pennsylvania.
Never forget her 1st murder victim, a man named Richard Levine.
You'd be surprised how hard it was to find out "her" birth name. It's totally scrubbed from all left wing sources and banned by policy at wikipedia. No news articles mention it. Had to get a washington times (known for leaning right wing) article from years ago.
you're bringing up some shit from the 1950s? 70 years old at this point? LOL
THAT WAS LIKE FOUR DAYS AGO, FIVE DAYS AGO.
Sorry, guy who brings up stuff from the 1930s, for showing you that what you denied your government did, was actually done by your government in living memory.
The Ukrainian people did that revolution on their own after Yanukovich outed himself as a Russian puppet and enemy of democracy. The US was not involved at all, it was solely the will of the Ukrainian people.
Again, this is very low IQ stuff, and I know you're not dumb. Violent coups are not 'the will of the people'. Yanukovich did not out himself as anything. And violently overthrowing a democratically elected president is what makes the Maidan putschists enemies of democracy, and you for supporting them (because you don't actually believe in it, it's just a meme you use to manipulate people).
Only the RUSSIAN Orthodox Church, which they have caught multiple times acting as a front for Russian government espionage. 100% legitimate ban.
Mr. "Freedom and Democracy" is supporting the banning of centuries-old churches, because MUH RUSSHER.
Looks like your "freedom and democracy" is not something that is in any way impressive.
Don't know about that, don't care regardless. Ukraine does not have to be perfect and sinless to deserve Western aid to preserve its freedom
Freedom is intelligence services intimidatng judges to jail dissidents for 12 years. You'll support any sort of fascism if it suits your geopoltical interests, and then you will dress it up in "freedom" and "democracy".
"Sovereignty" = obeying America's commands.
and sovereignty against an evil Russian empire and it's goals of Ukrainian cultural genocide.
In the previous paragraph, you supported Russian cultural genocide, as you have done before when talking about banning the Russian language, while hypocritically asserting that others do what you support.
You're just a neocon jingoist. Don't worry, your pathetic puppet shithole will be crushed, and then you will blame the "libs".
Donbas is part of Ukraine's internationally recognized borders
No one cares about your "international community", which is just the American empire - see how it bribed and intimidated dozens of countries into recognizing America's seizing of Kosovo.
Ukraine has always been within its right to drive the illegal Russian invasion out of Donbas.
Serbia was within its rights to drive terrorists out of Kosovo, and yet you hypocritically said that "Serbia invaded Kosovo". You complained that "Russia invaded Chechnya". When it's your puppet, you support it all of a sudden.
Diplomatic relatons don't make a country. Or if they do, prepare to admit that Taiwan is not a country.
The USSR was, according to Russians, not a "Russian Empire",
Hate to break it to you. They lied.
Russia is inferior militarily to Ukraine
LOL.
The US is inferior militarily to the Taliban.
Spoken like someone who shills for the Russian government, either paid or unpaid.
I guess the CIA did not provide you with propaganda with which to respond to that, eh?
You suffer from the delusion that all people are just as evil as the corrupt Russian elites are, and some people just hide it better.
Joe Biden doesn't hide it better. You just wilfully close to your eyes to the evil of the US government, because you believe that a country can do no wrong when you happen to have been born within the territory over which it claims power.
This is so clearly contradicted by history and current events as I have witnessed them throughout my lifetime
CNN told you "US leaders good, Russia leaders bad". Alrighty then.
I can only conclude you are willfully delusional in order to cope and engage in apologia for the evil Russian leadership.
It's very easy to make a case for Putin being a good man. But I won't, because I know that polticians are evil people. Furthermore, Russia isn't even my country, contrary to your delusions. I have no interest in "coping", but you clearly do in arguing for the moral purity of the US government. I'm only interested in the truth, something you unfortunately aren't.
Pretty much everything the US does. I wish the US government would behave more selfishly but the US State Dept is infested with "do gooders" who waste US taxpayer funds to virtue signal.
They are acting selfishly, just not in the interests of the people. This is a principal actor problem, not a selfishness problem.
You sound like a rapist blaming his rape victim for "provoking" him by wearing a tight dress.
Poor Lindsey Graham, he's a rape victim? I guess John McCain was even more aggressive than we had thought.
It's elected officials.
The same ones who appointed this literal terrorist as the head of their intelligence service? Good one.
Apparently he obtained his position for being ruthless against Russian spies, a desirable trait in a war. Apparently he is good at his job since you are so angry with him.
It's desirable to intimidate judges to give dissidents 13 year prison sentencess. FREEDOM! DEMOCRACY!
you're bringing up some shit from the 1930s? 90 years old at this point? LOL
An attack, however easily repulsed, is better prevented altogether.
OK, so you claim that Putin is 'rational', but that he will definitely attack NATO? This is just delusion. You'll just make any ad hoc rationalization for any defense of your empire that you need at the moment.
Why waste NATO lives when Ukraine is willing to do
OK, so you're admitting that you're sending unwilling Ukrainian conscripts to their deaths for your empire.
You'd be surprised how hard it was to find out "her" birth name. It's totally scrubbed from all left wing sources and banned by policy at wikipedia. No news articles mention it. Had to get a washington times (known for leaning right wing) article from years ago.
Unfortunately, ruling classes use 1984 as a manual.
Into a former Soviet republic after it had been toppled by an American-backed colour revolution? It's like denouncing American military expansion after they invade Alaska.
Ukraine has been an independent country for 32 years.
American-backed colour revolution
American had nothing to do with it. The Ukrainian people were fed up with being ruled by a Russian puppet.
It's like denouncing American military expansion after they invade Alaska.
Alaska is an American state. The better analogy would be if the US invaded the Philippines now in 2023 after the Philippines has been an independent country for many decades.
We have the Assistant Secretary of State on tape deciding who should be installed as the new leader.
The Ukrainian people were fed up with being ruled by a Russian puppet.
The Ukrainian people didn't revolt, Kievans did. Seven times more people voted for the Russian puppet than the guy installed in his place, but Yanukovych's support was out in the boondocks while Yatsenyuk's was concentrated in the capital. Imagine if 90% Democrat Washington, D.C. overthrew Trump - would that have been an expression of the will of the people?
We have the Assistant Secretary of State on tape deciding who should be installed as the new leader.
No, that's not what she said at all. She was talking to another person in the State Dept and described who she liked as candidates, which is an ordinary call for a diplomat to have. She didn't say anything about installing anyone.
The person who won, won as a result of a public vote taken by the Ukrainian parliament, not because of anything Nuland said in private.
The Ukrainian people didn't revolt, Kievans did.
No, large parts of the country did. More success was had in pro-EU areas and less in pro-Russia areas.
Seven times more people voted for the Russian puppet than the guy installed in his place
Yanukovych only got 48.95% in 2010 with 12,481,266, narrowly beating Yulia Tymoshenko who got 45.47%, to prevent her from running again.
The 2014 Ukrainian presidential election wasn't a 2-way race, it was a 5-way race, yet Petro Poroshenko still won with 54.70% & 9,857,308 votes. The vote total was SLIGHTLY lower (not 7x as you claim) because Russia invaded Crimea & Donbass, so those areas did not vote.
Yanukovych's support was out in the boondocks while Yatsenyuk's was concentrated in the capital.
I don't know why you are talking about comparing a President to Prime Minister Yatsenyuk when they are different positions & Petro Poroshenko, winner of the 2014 presidential election, is the relevant person to be talking about.
Imagine if 90% Democrat Washington, D.C. overthrew Trump - would that have been an expression of the will of the people?
Imagine if months later, they held a nationwide vote for President and someone else was democratically elected.
yes, "that have been an expression of the will of the people"
Ukraine has been an independent country for 32 years.
It was independent between 1992 and 2014. That's 22 years. It was part of Russia for over 200 years, so that still outweighs that.
The Ukrainian people were fed up with being ruled by a Russian puppet.
Yanukovich was no puppet, he was actually elected unlike the thugs who were installed at the command of Victoria Nuland.
Alaska is an American state
It is? It's been part of America for far shorter than Little Russia has been part of Russia, so Russia has greater claim to Ukraine than you do to Alaska.
The better analogy would be if the US invaded the Philippines now in 2023 after the Philippines has been an independent country for many decades.
Philippines are not American, either ethnically or linguistically. The best analogy is the Confederacy. It's funny how you don't give your own states the right to secede, but always demand for others the 'right' to secede in order to weaken other countries and wreck them.
And you claimed that Serbia invaded KOSOVO, and that Russia invaded CHECHNYA. Basically, it's an "invasion" whenever it suits your empire, and it's not whenever it doesn't.
I fail to see how the Russian invasion of Crimea & its clandestine invasion of parts of the Donbass in 2014 somehow ended Ukrainian statehood in that year. If so, why did Putin invade in 2022 if it wasn't independent anymore?
Oh, wait, you mean... that it was the US... LOL for fuck's sake. I'm sorry but if I'm not going to entertain the delusions of a tranny, I'm not going to entertain yours. It would be EASIER to believe that Rachel Levine is a woman than to believe your bullshit.
Yanukovich was no puppet
He was, he literally fled to Putin the moment people started to protest against him.
unlike the thugs who were installed at the command of Victoria Nuland.
Except they weren't thugs and they weren't installed, and your only "evidence" is a hacked phone call in which Nuland says she likes the already-favored candidate and thought he would be a good leader. A far cry from what you claim she said.
It is?
Alaska has been part of the US since 1867.
Ukraine has NOT been part of Russia since 1917.
Shit that happened back hundreds of years ago doesn't matter. If you want to play that game, Russia needs to submit to Mongolian rule.
Russia has greater claim to Ukraine than you do to Alaska.
Literally retarded.
Philippines are not American, either ethnically or linguistically.
Ukrainians are not Russian, either ethnically or linguistically.
Oh, wait, you mean... that it was the US... LOL for fuck's sake. I'm sorry but if I'm not going to entertain the delusions of a tranny, I'm not going to entertain yours. It would be EASIER to believe that Rachel Levine is a woman than to believe your bullshit.
The delusions of a tranny are easily refuted. There is a very good reason that you can't refute the fact that the Maidan coup was America's doing.
He was, he literally fled to Putin the moment people started to protest against him.
He fled because he feared for his life? You were assuring me that this was Very Democratic. And if you flee to a given country because America and EU sponsored mobs are threatening your life, does that make you a puppet of that country?
It's possible to be "elected", especially with cheating
Please show me the "cheatng" that Yanukovich engaged in in 2011, when his opponents controlled the state.
and to also be a puppet.
Well yeah, Zelensky was elected, after all.
Except they weren't thugs and they weren't installed, and your only "evidence" is a hacked phone call in which Nuland says she likes the already-favored candidate and thought he would be a good leader.
Your only evidence is a hacked phone call from before the coup in which Nuland appoints someone who became PM after the coup!
And what was John McCain doing in Kiev?
You claim not to be a neocon, but you defend Victoria Nuland to the hilt.
Alaska has been part of the US since 1867.
Ukraine has NOT been part of Russia since 1917.
Nope, 1992. You know full well that the constituent republicus in the USSR had no autonomy, and that Ukraine then was as independent from Moscow as it is now from Washington. So between the late 19th century and 1992. That is 200 years. From 1867 to this point is not 200 years.
There is a very good reason that you can't refute the fact that the Maidan coup was America's doing.
I've refuted it many times. You won't accept it any more than a tranny will accept YWNBAW.
does that make you a puppet of that country?
Yes, fleeing to Putin the moment you run into domestic trouble means you're a puppet fleeing to the protection of your master.
Please show me the "cheatng" that Yanukovich engaged in in 2011, when his opponents controlled the state.
https://archive.is/Auq4i also Russia's foreign espionage and propaganda services were heavily invested in manipulating the outcome in Ukraine. It wasn't a level playing field just as the US is not a level playing field with the system rigged in many ways to favor Democrats.
Also the prior president hated Tymoshenko as well and didn't support her.
Well yeah, Zelensky was elected, after all.
As much as you people hate Zelensky, he was the more moderate candidate, Poroshenko was the more anti-Russia candidate.
in which Nuland appoints someone
stop lying. she didn't "appoint" anyone. I've read the phone call. The transcript, which Russia hacked and selectively leaked, is available online. Feel free to quote the exact text where she "appoints" anyone. She doesn't. Instead, she has a preference for who she wants to win and openly talks about it in the context of normal politics, such as the different factions in Ukraine and how Russia will interfere, none of which is consistent with your claim that she was some sort of viceroy with the power to appoint.
You're just repeating a Russian lie. Your talking points are always 1:1 with russian propaganda.
You claim not to be a neocon
Neocons don't exist anymore and haven't existed since the Bush admin. You Russian propagandists seem to be stuck on political jargon from 20 years ago and have failed to update. The people you call "neocons" all just became Democrats (like they always really were, they just snuck into the Bush admin for a few years). Neocon hasn't been a relevant term in American politics for a long, long time.
you defend Victoria Nuland to the hilt.
She's a dumb bitch for all I care. I think the US State Dept is shit and should be cut back in funding massively.
I defend the TRUTH. The phone call your Russian masters hacked simply does not say what you claim it says. Either shut the fuck up or quote it. The burden of proof is on you.
Nope, 1992. You know full well that the constituent republicus in the USSR had no autonomy, and that Ukraine then was as independent from Moscow as it is now from Washington. So between the late 19th century and 1992. That is 200 years. From 1867 to this point is not 200 years.
You are losing this war and you will never have Ukraine back. Your laughable "b-b-b-ut we used to own it a long time ago!" copes won't change that fact. Cope however you please. I will eat popcorn while I watch videos of Russian armored vehicles blowing up on Twitter.
Everything you think you know about Putin and Russia was fed to you by a press that lies to you about everything, constantly, all the time, for no reason other than to serve their masters.
True of Russians and maybe Chinese, not of anyone living in a free country.
Oh, so that's why your opinions overlap with those of CNN.
Free country? You live in a country that is going to jail an ex-president for the crime of winning an election, where Jan 6 protesters are jailed in solitary for years for not being violent, where the Attorney General colludes with a national school board to brand its opponents as TERRORISTS.
You live in a country that is going to jail an ex-president for the crime of winning an election
The "country" isn't jailing him, some random libtard prosecutor from New York is.
where Jan 6 protesters are jailed in solitary for years for not being violent
need proof on the "solitary" part, I have followed this story and never heard of anyone being in "solitary". I agree that the Qanon Shaman case was a political witch hunt and he was illegally made an example of.
I hope President DeSantis pardons him or commutes his sentence upon taking office.
where the Attorney General colludes with a national school board to brand its opponents as TERRORISTS.
You keep complaining about Democrats but pretending that it's all of the US acting that way. lol. Know who the enemy is.
need proof on the "solitary" part, I have followed this story and never heard of anyone being in "solitary".
In the interest of fairness, while perhaps not the "solitary", there were several being kept in such bad conditions that they were transferred with several hundred other prisoners out of DC after the US Marshalls did an unannounced inspection of the jail and found the conditions "unacceptable."
You keep complaining about Democrats but pretending that it's all of the US acting that way. lol. Know who the enemy is.
It's not even a good one to use. Because getting parents angry as school boards branded terrorist resulted in...those very parents getting elected to the school boards and starting work to undo the Woke indoctrination of the schools they oversee. Because that tends to be the result of Democrats trying that in places they dont have under absolute control like Chicago or LA.
It's an excellent one to use, because it shows that we're not dealing with a 'free' country. That was the question. In China, kids aren't going to be groomed in school, they're not going to be taught that they are inferior for being Han. They don't allow boys in skirts to rape girls.
In the US, not only does this happen, but they will try to destroy you for protesting.
BTW, here in Europe it is even worse. Because we don't even have school boards. So they rape and groom as much as they want.
I can believe DC jails are utter shitholes, after all DC is run by some of the most incompetent, corrupt, pretty much all-black, Democrat political hacks in the country.
Because that tends to be the result of Democrats trying that in places they dont have under absolute control like Chicago or LA.
The problem with the Russia shills is that they have a delusional mental block implanted by the FSB that makes them reject the reality of how democracy works. So when you try to explain the democratic process to them actually working, they just hit this mental block and talk about elites.
The "country" isn't jailing him, some random libtard prosecutor from New York is.
Is that not in the "country"?
I hope President DeSantis pardons him or commutes his sentence upon taking office.
Great, you have hope, but you're going against the tide. Even if you win one round, you'll lose in the end. Which is why I want this empire wekeaned. There is no hope of America ever being a force for good, especially in the world.
You keep complaining about Democrats but pretending that it's all of the US acting that way. lol. Know who the enemy is.
No, I know many Americans are cool, but the fact that this sort of thing happens shows that it's not a "free" country.
You shouldn't expect countries like Ukraine to be any different. But this is what the morally bankrupt Western leaders support, and in fact, what they call "democracy" and "rule of law". A barely viable terror regime propped up by massive subsidies from the Empire.
They will support anything that allows them to colonize Ukraine for their global homogenization and 'puppy play'.
There's something funny about you only posting this after it affected a woman.
Imagine if Ukraine arrested a TERF, you'd be on the front lines fighting for Russia.
Jokes aside, anyone who didn't know this is a moron. They even arrested Zelensky's financial backer, Kolomoisky.
It's one thing to do it. It's quite another to brag about it. When they brag about it, it becomes undeniable for the morons who back this regime.
yawn
much better to let Putin's evil empire expand and do the same shit but worse, and then attempt to amass power to fight a war against NATO eventually.
your obsession with that tranny is disturbing
"But they are WORSE!"
I wouldn't mind as much if the criminal regimes you support admitted what this is about. This is about their power. This is about geopolitics. This isn't about your phony 'democracy', nor is it about the sovereignty of a puppet non-country. It's the hypocrisy and the deceit that bothers me.
Just yesterday, you were lecturing me about how Putin is rational, and that he doesn't want to get nuked. Now he wants to fight a war against NATO, which will get him nuked.
It's disturbing that such a 'person' gets a high government position, and that you export his deviance, BLM and other nonsense to my country. Not you personally.
Wrong, it's about protecting a free and peaceful people from the jaws of an evil empire. It's about doing what is right and good in the face of evil. You just can't stand that your team in all this is so unabashedly evil and you need to engage in this pretzel twist logic as a cope so you can pretend that your enemies are not as righteous as they so clearly are.
And obviously I don't know or care who this guy is, and he doesn't represent Ukraine, but Ukraine has always been admitted to have issues because it is a descendant of the USSR and inherited corrupt Soviet culture.
No, there is no reason to believe that NATO would use nukes against Russia in response to a conventional attack, especially since NATO could quite easily stomp any conventional attack conventionally without any need for nukes.
It is true that intersectionality, the ideology of wokeness, demands that trannies be appointed to high government positons as a reward for being shock troops for the intersectional coalition, though the bag snatcher was in a somewhat power position and a much more senior tranny is 17th Assistant Secretary for Health ADMIRAL Rachel Leland Levine.
Man, you really did swallow the civnat dick, huh? This is painful to read. You’d cheer for a tranny marrying a six year old as long as they’re all wearing an American flag. It’s pathetic.
America was a nation. A nation is a people. That people is gone. Replaced by mass immigration, brainwashed by Jewish Bolsheviks, drugged by cartels and China. Russia is about the furthest thing we have for an enemy right now, and you call them evil. Utterly retarded.
Like the US overthrew Mossadegh, like it planned to assassinate Lumumba, like it did a color revolution against Yanukovich.
Ukraine is not "free". They're banning the Orthodox Church. The SBU intimidates judges to get sentences of TWELVE years against people criticizing the garbage government run from the State Department.
Ukraine is not "peaceful". It's been terrorizing the Donbas for 8 years. It's been gathering arms and munitions to mount an assault on the Donbas. Ukraine has been agitating for a world war for a year now.
Ukraine is not even a country. It's been part of the Russian Empire for over 200 years. It's a pathetic shithole, a miserable failure of even a fake country with a fraction of the per capita GDP of Russia.
The disappearance of this corrupt, puppet shithole non-country will be a net improvement for freedom, peace and count of purported countries that are actual countries.
That is the dumb people explanation, and you are not dumb. You suffer from an over-identification with the criminals who rule your country.
When has the US government done what is "right and good"? Evil is launching wars of aggression on the other side of the world, in Iraq, Syria, Libya and Yugoslavia. Evil is overthrowing a democratically elected president in 2014 to expand your empire. Evil is sabotaging a peace agreement between Malorussia and Great Russia for your own geopolitical ambitions.
The evil side is the one that provoked the war, and which is now (in the words of the psycho neocon Lindsey Graham) fighting until the last Ukrainian.
The HEAD of its intelligence service doesn't respresent Ukraine? Then who does?
Ukraine was doing much better under the USSR, despite the counterproductive communist economic system.
So you simultaneously argue that Putin is such a threat that he is working on attacking NATO, but he's also so weak that NATO will easily repulse it? It all makes zero sense. It's the typical Doublethink that you were taught to think by your media.
If there will be no nuclear war due to an invasion of NATO by Russia (even where it has no right to be under its No Inch East promise), then there's nothing to worry about, right?
Ah yes, the first female admiral. Responsible for many thousands of deaths in Pennsylvania.
who?
you're bringing up some shit from the 1950s? 70 years old at this point? LOL
not relevant
The US isn't like it was back then. I wish it was, but it's not.
The Ukrainian people did that revolution on their own after Yanukovich outed himself as a Russian puppet and enemy of democracy. The US was not involved at all, it was solely the will of the Ukrainian people.
Only the RUSSIAN Orthodox Church, which they have caught multiple times acting as a front for Russian government espionage. 100% legitimate ban.
The Ukrainian Orthodox Church will still be around.
Don't know about that, don't care regardless. Ukraine does not have to be perfect and sinless to deserve Western aid to preserve its freedom and sovereignty against an evil Russian empire and it's goals of Ukrainian cultural genocide. Whatever flaws Ukraine has, it inherited from the evil Russian-led Soviet Union.
Donbas is part of Ukraine's internationally recognized borders. Putin conducted an invasion in 2014 and lied to claim he wasn't doing it when he obviously was.
Ukraine has always been within its right to drive the illegal Russian invasion out of Donbas.
It literally is, and you are mentally ill for suggesting otherwise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_diplomatic_relations_of_Ukraine
False.
The USSR was, according to Russians, not a "Russian Empire", therefore the Russian empire ceased to exist in 1917, and Ukraine existed as the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, which included Crimea. In 1991, it became a fully independent nation and has been such for 32 years now.
And yet... Russia is willing to throw away its whole military and future in a failed attempt to conquer it.
And yet... Russia is inferior militarily to Ukraine and incapable of defeating it on the battlefield, and has lost at least 2 major battles to Ukraine, the only two times Ukraine launched offensives.
Spoken like someone who shills for the Russian government, either paid or unpaid.
No, it is the correct explanation. You suffer from the delusion that all people are just as evil as the corrupt Russian elites are, and some people just hide it better. This is so clearly contradicted by history and current events as I have witnessed them throughout my lifetime that I can only conclude you are willfully delusional in order to cope and engage in apologia for the evil Russian leadership.
Pretty much everything the US does. I wish the US government would behave more selfishly but the US State Dept is infested with "do gooders" who waste US taxpayer funds to virtue signal.
I don't think the US SHOULD be good. We should be a ruthless, dominating empire that ALLOWS the world freedom as a sort of noblesse oblige.
You sound like a rapist blaming his rape victim for "provoking" him by wearing a tight dress.
It's elected officials.
The head of Ukraine's intelligence is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyrylo_Budanov
Vasyl Malyuk is lower rank and heads the KGB descendant SBU only quite recently since 7 February 2023: "The agency was viewed negatively by the Ukrainian public for much of its history, as it was widely regarded as corrupt and was best known for arresting and intimidating political dissidents. After the Revolution of Dignity in 2014, the SBU went through a restructuring with the transition to the new government, because of its corruption and infiltration by the intelligence agencies of Russia."
Apparently he obtained his position for being ruthless against Russian spies, a desirable trait in a war. Apparently he is good at his job since you are so angry with him.
HAH
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
Russia has also gone to great lengths to hold Ukraine down since 1991 and keep Ukraine corrupt and under Russia's control. That's why the people got fed up and wanted to break free from Russian domination and seek out the EU instead.
Correct. An attack, however easily repulsed, is better prevented altogether. Why waste NATO lives when Ukraine is willing to do the fighting and destroy the Russian military for us? It's a win-win. Ukraine keeps its freedom & NATO gets to destroy the Russian military without a single casualty.
Since when is non-nuclear war not worrisome? I think the entire policy of the United States regarding China ought to be oriented towards gaining maximum advantage in the future CONVENTIONAL war I expect China to launch against our allies.
Never forget her 1st murder victim, a man named Richard Levine.
You'd be surprised how hard it was to find out "her" birth name. It's totally scrubbed from all left wing sources and banned by policy at wikipedia. No news articles mention it. Had to get a washington times (known for leaning right wing) article from years ago.
THAT WAS LIKE FOUR DAYS AGO, FIVE DAYS AGO.
Sorry, guy who brings up stuff from the 1930s, for showing you that what you denied your government did, was actually done by your government in living memory.
Again, this is very low IQ stuff, and I know you're not dumb. Violent coups are not 'the will of the people'. Yanukovich did not out himself as anything. And violently overthrowing a democratically elected president is what makes the Maidan putschists enemies of democracy, and you for supporting them (because you don't actually believe in it, it's just a meme you use to manipulate people).
Mr. "Freedom and Democracy" is supporting the banning of centuries-old churches, because MUH RUSSHER.
Looks like your "freedom and democracy" is not something that is in any way impressive.
Freedom is intelligence services intimidatng judges to jail dissidents for 12 years. You'll support any sort of fascism if it suits your geopoltical interests, and then you will dress it up in "freedom" and "democracy".
"Sovereignty" = obeying America's commands.
In the previous paragraph, you supported Russian cultural genocide, as you have done before when talking about banning the Russian language, while hypocritically asserting that others do what you support.
You're just a neocon jingoist. Don't worry, your pathetic puppet shithole will be crushed, and then you will blame the "libs".
No one cares about your "international community", which is just the American empire - see how it bribed and intimidated dozens of countries into recognizing America's seizing of Kosovo.
Serbia was within its rights to drive terrorists out of Kosovo, and yet you hypocritically said that "Serbia invaded Kosovo". You complained that "Russia invaded Chechnya". When it's your puppet, you support it all of a sudden.
Diplomatic relatons don't make a country. Or if they do, prepare to admit that Taiwan is not a country.
Hate to break it to you. They lied.
LOL.
The US is inferior militarily to the Taliban.
I guess the CIA did not provide you with propaganda with which to respond to that, eh?
Joe Biden doesn't hide it better. You just wilfully close to your eyes to the evil of the US government, because you believe that a country can do no wrong when you happen to have been born within the territory over which it claims power.
CNN told you "US leaders good, Russia leaders bad". Alrighty then.
It's very easy to make a case for Putin being a good man. But I won't, because I know that polticians are evil people. Furthermore, Russia isn't even my country, contrary to your delusions. I have no interest in "coping", but you clearly do in arguing for the moral purity of the US government. I'm only interested in the truth, something you unfortunately aren't.
They are acting selfishly, just not in the interests of the people. This is a principal actor problem, not a selfishness problem.
Poor Lindsey Graham, he's a rape victim? I guess John McCain was even more aggressive than we had thought.
The same ones who appointed this literal terrorist as the head of their intelligence service? Good one.
It's desirable to intimidate judges to give dissidents 13 year prison sentencess. FREEDOM! DEMOCRACY!
you're bringing up some shit from the 1930s? 90 years old at this point? LOL
OK, so you claim that Putin is 'rational', but that he will definitely attack NATO? This is just delusion. You'll just make any ad hoc rationalization for any defense of your empire that you need at the moment.
OK, so you're admitting that you're sending unwilling Ukrainian conscripts to their deaths for your empire.
Unfortunately, ruling classes use 1984 as a manual.
Into a former Soviet republic after it had been toppled by an American-backed colour revolution? It's like denouncing American military expansion after they invade Alaska.
Ukraine has been an independent country for 32 years.
American had nothing to do with it. The Ukrainian people were fed up with being ruled by a Russian puppet.
Alaska is an American state. The better analogy would be if the US invaded the Philippines now in 2023 after the Philippines has been an independent country for many decades.
We have the Assistant Secretary of State on tape deciding who should be installed as the new leader.
The Ukrainian people didn't revolt, Kievans did. Seven times more people voted for the Russian puppet than the guy installed in his place, but Yanukovych's support was out in the boondocks while Yatsenyuk's was concentrated in the capital. Imagine if 90% Democrat Washington, D.C. overthrew Trump - would that have been an expression of the will of the people?
No, that's not what she said at all. She was talking to another person in the State Dept and described who she liked as candidates, which is an ordinary call for a diplomat to have. She didn't say anything about installing anyone.
The person who won, won as a result of a public vote taken by the Ukrainian parliament, not because of anything Nuland said in private.
No, large parts of the country did. More success was had in pro-EU areas and less in pro-Russia areas.
Yanukovych only got 48.95% in 2010 with 12,481,266, narrowly beating Yulia Tymoshenko who got 45.47%, to prevent her from running again.
The 2014 Ukrainian presidential election wasn't a 2-way race, it was a 5-way race, yet Petro Poroshenko still won with 54.70% & 9,857,308 votes. The vote total was SLIGHTLY lower (not 7x as you claim) because Russia invaded Crimea & Donbass, so those areas did not vote.
I don't know why you are talking about comparing a President to Prime Minister Yatsenyuk when they are different positions & Petro Poroshenko, winner of the 2014 presidential election, is the relevant person to be talking about.
Imagine if months later, they held a nationwide vote for President and someone else was democratically elected.
yes, "that have been an expression of the will of the people"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Ukrainian_presidential_election
It was independent between 1992 and 2014. That's 22 years. It was part of Russia for over 200 years, so that still outweighs that.
Yanukovich was no puppet, he was actually elected unlike the thugs who were installed at the command of Victoria Nuland.
It is? It's been part of America for far shorter than Little Russia has been part of Russia, so Russia has greater claim to Ukraine than you do to Alaska.
Philippines are not American, either ethnically or linguistically. The best analogy is the Confederacy. It's funny how you don't give your own states the right to secede, but always demand for others the 'right' to secede in order to weaken other countries and wreck them.
And you claimed that Serbia invaded KOSOVO, and that Russia invaded CHECHNYA. Basically, it's an "invasion" whenever it suits your empire, and it's not whenever it doesn't.
I fail to see how the Russian invasion of Crimea & its clandestine invasion of parts of the Donbass in 2014 somehow ended Ukrainian statehood in that year. If so, why did Putin invade in 2022 if it wasn't independent anymore?
Oh, wait, you mean... that it was the US... LOL for fuck's sake. I'm sorry but if I'm not going to entertain the delusions of a tranny, I'm not going to entertain yours. It would be EASIER to believe that Rachel Levine is a woman than to believe your bullshit.
He was, he literally fled to Putin the moment people started to protest against him.
It's possible to be "elected", especially with cheating, and to also be a puppet. Russia had a huge amount of subversive influence in Ukraine at the time and Yanukovich threw his biggest opponent in prison to silence the opposition.
Except they weren't thugs and they weren't installed, and your only "evidence" is a hacked phone call in which Nuland says she likes the already-favored candidate and thought he would be a good leader. A far cry from what you claim she said.
Alaska has been part of the US since 1867.
Ukraine has NOT been part of Russia since 1917.
Shit that happened back hundreds of years ago doesn't matter. If you want to play that game, Russia needs to submit to Mongolian rule.
Literally retarded.
Ukrainians are not Russian, either ethnically or linguistically.
The delusions of a tranny are easily refuted. There is a very good reason that you can't refute the fact that the Maidan coup was America's doing.
He fled because he feared for his life? You were assuring me that this was Very Democratic. And if you flee to a given country because America and EU sponsored mobs are threatening your life, does that make you a puppet of that country?
Please show me the "cheatng" that Yanukovich engaged in in 2011, when his opponents controlled the state.
Well yeah, Zelensky was elected, after all.
Your only evidence is a hacked phone call from before the coup in which Nuland appoints someone who became PM after the coup!
And what was John McCain doing in Kiev?
You claim not to be a neocon, but you defend Victoria Nuland to the hilt.
Nope, 1992. You know full well that the constituent republicus in the USSR had no autonomy, and that Ukraine then was as independent from Moscow as it is now from Washington. So between the late 19th century and 1992. That is 200 years. From 1867 to this point is not 200 years.
I've refuted it many times. You won't accept it any more than a tranny will accept YWNBAW.
Yes, fleeing to Putin the moment you run into domestic trouble means you're a puppet fleeing to the protection of your master.
https://archive.is/Auq4i also Russia's foreign espionage and propaganda services were heavily invested in manipulating the outcome in Ukraine. It wasn't a level playing field just as the US is not a level playing field with the system rigged in many ways to favor Democrats.
Also the prior president hated Tymoshenko as well and didn't support her.
As much as you people hate Zelensky, he was the more moderate candidate, Poroshenko was the more anti-Russia candidate.
stop lying. she didn't "appoint" anyone. I've read the phone call. The transcript, which Russia hacked and selectively leaked, is available online. Feel free to quote the exact text where she "appoints" anyone. She doesn't. Instead, she has a preference for who she wants to win and openly talks about it in the context of normal politics, such as the different factions in Ukraine and how Russia will interfere, none of which is consistent with your claim that she was some sort of viceroy with the power to appoint.
You're just repeating a Russian lie. Your talking points are always 1:1 with russian propaganda.
Neocons don't exist anymore and haven't existed since the Bush admin. You Russian propagandists seem to be stuck on political jargon from 20 years ago and have failed to update. The people you call "neocons" all just became Democrats (like they always really were, they just snuck into the Bush admin for a few years). Neocon hasn't been a relevant term in American politics for a long, long time.
She's a dumb bitch for all I care. I think the US State Dept is shit and should be cut back in funding massively.
I defend the TRUTH. The phone call your Russian masters hacked simply does not say what you claim it says. Either shut the fuck up or quote it. The burden of proof is on you.
You are losing this war and you will never have Ukraine back. Your laughable "b-b-b-ut we used to own it a long time ago!" copes won't change that fact. Cope however you please. I will eat popcorn while I watch videos of Russian armored vehicles blowing up on Twitter.
Death to the evil Russian empire.
True of Russians and maybe Chinese, not of anyone living in a free country.
Oh, so that's why your opinions overlap with those of CNN.
Free country? You live in a country that is going to jail an ex-president for the crime of winning an election, where Jan 6 protesters are jailed in solitary for years for not being violent, where the Attorney General colludes with a national school board to brand its opponents as TERRORISTS.
The "country" isn't jailing him, some random libtard prosecutor from New York is.
need proof on the "solitary" part, I have followed this story and never heard of anyone being in "solitary". I agree that the Qanon Shaman case was a political witch hunt and he was illegally made an example of.
I hope President DeSantis pardons him or commutes his sentence upon taking office.
You keep complaining about Democrats but pretending that it's all of the US acting that way. lol. Know who the enemy is.
In the interest of fairness, while perhaps not the "solitary", there were several being kept in such bad conditions that they were transferred with several hundred other prisoners out of DC after the US Marshalls did an unannounced inspection of the jail and found the conditions "unacceptable."
See here.
It's not even a good one to use. Because getting parents angry as school boards branded terrorist resulted in...those very parents getting elected to the school boards and starting work to undo the Woke indoctrination of the schools they oversee. Because that tends to be the result of Democrats trying that in places they dont have under absolute control like Chicago or LA.
It's an excellent one to use, because it shows that we're not dealing with a 'free' country. That was the question. In China, kids aren't going to be groomed in school, they're not going to be taught that they are inferior for being Han. They don't allow boys in skirts to rape girls.
In the US, not only does this happen, but they will try to destroy you for protesting.
BTW, here in Europe it is even worse. Because we don't even have school boards. So they rape and groom as much as they want.
I can believe DC jails are utter shitholes, after all DC is run by some of the most incompetent, corrupt, pretty much all-black, Democrat political hacks in the country.
The problem with the Russia shills is that they have a delusional mental block implanted by the FSB that makes them reject the reality of how democracy works. So when you try to explain the democratic process to them actually working, they just hit this mental block and talk about elites.
Is that not in the "country"?
Great, you have hope, but you're going against the tide. Even if you win one round, you'll lose in the end. Which is why I want this empire wekeaned. There is no hope of America ever being a force for good, especially in the world.
No, I know many Americans are cool, but the fact that this sort of thing happens shows that it's not a "free" country.
How is this any different from any other country in the western world?
Another reason to say "Let Ukraine and Russia hatefuck their way to peace." It's a situation where they're both awful and deserve each other.
Also, literally a brown shirt, haha.
Laventiy Beria has been re-incarnated.