Wrong, it's about protecting a free and peaceful people from the jaws of an evil empire.
Like the US overthrew Mossadegh, like it planned to assassinate Lumumba, like it did a color revolution against Yanukovich.
Ukraine is not "free". They're banning the Orthodox Church. The SBU intimidates judges to get sentences of TWELVE years against people criticizing the garbage government run from the State Department.
Ukraine is not "peaceful". It's been terrorizing the Donbas for 8 years. It's been gathering arms and munitions to mount an assault on the Donbas. Ukraine has been agitating for a world war for a year now.
Ukraine is not even a country. It's been part of the Russian Empire for over 200 years. It's a pathetic shithole, a miserable failure of even a fake country with a fraction of the per capita GDP of Russia.
The disappearance of this corrupt, puppet shithole non-country will be a net improvement for freedom, peace and count of purported countries that are actual countries.
It's about doing what is right and good in the face of evil.
That is the dumb people explanation, and you are not dumb. You suffer from an over-identification with the criminals who rule your country.
When has the US government done what is "right and good"? Evil is launching wars of aggression on the other side of the world, in Iraq, Syria, Libya and Yugoslavia. Evil is overthrowing a democratically elected president in 2014 to expand your empire. Evil is sabotaging a peace agreement between Malorussia and Great Russia for your own geopolitical ambitions.
You just can't stand that your team in all this is so unabashedly evil
The evil side is the one that provoked the war, and which is now (in the words of the psycho neocon Lindsey Graham) fighting until the last Ukrainian.
And obviously I don't know or care who this guy is, and he doesn't represent Ukraine,
The HEAD of its intelligence service doesn't respresent Ukraine? Then who does?
but Ukraine has always been admitted to have issues because it is a descendant of the USSR and inherited corrupt Soviet culture.
Ukraine was doing much better under the USSR, despite the counterproductive communist economic system.
No, there is no reason to believe that NATO would use nukes against Russia in response to a conventional attack, especially since NATO could quite easily stomp any conventional attack conventionally without any need for nukes.
So you simultaneously argue that Putin is such a threat that he is working on attacking NATO, but he's also so weak that NATO will easily repulse it? It all makes zero sense. It's the typical Doublethink that you were taught to think by your media.
If there will be no nuclear war due to an invasion of NATO by Russia (even where it has no right to be under its No Inch East promise), then there's nothing to worry about, right?
It is true that intersectionality, the ideology of wokeness, demands that trannies be appointed to high government positons as a reward for being shock troops for the intersectional coalition, though the bag snatcher was in a somewhat power position and a much more senior tranny is 17th Assistant Secretary for Health ADMIRAL Rachel Leland Levine.
Ah yes, the first female admiral. Responsible for many thousands of deaths in Pennsylvania.
you're bringing up some shit from the 1950s? 70 years old at this point? LOL
not relevant
The US isn't like it was back then. I wish it was, but it's not.
it did a color revolution against Yanukovich.
The Ukrainian people did that revolution on their own after Yanukovich outed himself as a Russian puppet and enemy of democracy. The US was not involved at all, it was solely the will of the Ukrainian people.
Ukraine is not "free". They're banning the Orthodox Church.
Only the RUSSIAN Orthodox Church, which they have caught multiple times acting as a front for Russian government espionage. 100% legitimate ban.
The Ukrainian Orthodox Church will still be around.
The SBU intimidates judges to get sentences of TWELVE years against people criticizing the garbage government run from the State Department.
Don't know about that, don't care regardless. Ukraine does not have to be perfect and sinless to deserve Western aid to preserve its freedom and sovereignty against an evil Russian empire and it's goals of Ukrainian cultural genocide. Whatever flaws Ukraine has, it inherited from the evil Russian-led Soviet Union.
Ukraine is not "peaceful". It's been terrorizing the Donbas for 8 years. It's been gathering arms and munitions to mount an assault on the Donbas.
Donbas is part of Ukraine's internationally recognized borders. Putin conducted an invasion in 2014 and lied to claim he wasn't doing it when he obviously was.
Ukraine has always been within its right to drive the illegal Russian invasion out of Donbas.
Ukraine is not even a country.
It literally is, and you are mentally ill for suggesting otherwise.
It's been part of the Russian Empire for over 200 years.
False.
The USSR was, according to Russians, not a "Russian Empire", therefore the Russian empire ceased to exist in 1917, and Ukraine existed as the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, which included Crimea. In 1991, it became a fully independent nation and has been such for 32 years now.
It's a pathetic shithole, a miserable failure of even a fake country with a fraction of the per capita GDP of Russia.
And yet... Russia is willing to throw away its whole military and future in a failed attempt to conquer it.
And yet... Russia is inferior militarily to Ukraine and incapable of defeating it on the battlefield, and has lost at least 2 major battles to Ukraine, the only two times Ukraine launched offensives.
The disappearance of this corrupt, puppet shithole non-country will be a net improvement for freedom, peace and count of purported countries that are actual countries.
Spoken like someone who shills for the Russian government, either paid or unpaid.
That is the dumb people explanation, and you are not dumb.
No, it is the correct explanation. You suffer from the delusion that all people are just as evil as the corrupt Russian elites are, and some people just hide it better. This is so clearly contradicted by history and current events as I have witnessed them throughout my lifetime that I can only conclude you are willfully delusional in order to cope and engage in apologia for the evil Russian leadership.
When has the US government done what is "right and good"?
Pretty much everything the US does. I wish the US government would behave more selfishly but the US State Dept is infested with "do gooders" who waste US taxpayer funds to virtue signal.
I don't think the US SHOULD be good. We should be a ruthless, dominating empire that ALLOWS the world freedom as a sort of noblesse oblige.
The evil side is the one that provoked the war, and which is now (in the words of the psycho neocon Lindsey Graham) fighting until the last Ukrainian.
You sound like a rapist blaming his rape victim for "provoking" him by wearing a tight dress.
The HEAD of its intelligence service doesn't respresent Ukraine? Then who does?
Vasyl Malyuk is lower rank and heads the KGB descendant SBU only quite recently since 7 February 2023: "The agency was viewed negatively by the Ukrainian public for much of its history, as it was widely regarded as corrupt and was best known for arresting and intimidating political dissidents. After the Revolution of Dignity in 2014, the SBU went through a restructuring with the transition to the new government, because of its corruption and infiltration by the intelligence agencies of Russia."
Apparently he obtained his position for being ruthless against Russian spies, a desirable trait in a war. Apparently he is good at his job since you are so angry with him.
Ukraine was doing much better under the USSR, despite the counterproductive communist economic system.
Russia has also gone to great lengths to hold Ukraine down since 1991 and keep Ukraine corrupt and under Russia's control. That's why the people got fed up and wanted to break free from Russian domination and seek out the EU instead.
So you simultaneously argue that Putin is such a threat that he is working on attacking NATO, but he's also so weak that NATO will easily repulse it?
Correct. An attack, however easily repulsed, is better prevented altogether. Why waste NATO lives when Ukraine is willing to do the fighting and destroy the Russian military for us? It's a win-win. Ukraine keeps its freedom & NATO gets to destroy the Russian military without a single casualty.
If there will be no nuclear war due to an invasion of NATO by Russia (even where it has no right to be under its No Inch East promise), then there's nothing to worry about, right?
Since when is non-nuclear war not worrisome? I think the entire policy of the United States regarding China ought to be oriented towards gaining maximum advantage in the future CONVENTIONAL war I expect China to launch against our allies.
Ah yes, the first female admiral. Responsible for many thousands of deaths in Pennsylvania.
Never forget her 1st murder victim, a man named Richard Levine.
You'd be surprised how hard it was to find out "her" birth name. It's totally scrubbed from all left wing sources and banned by policy at wikipedia. No news articles mention it. Had to get a washington times (known for leaning right wing) article from years ago.
you're bringing up some shit from the 1950s? 70 years old at this point? LOL
THAT WAS LIKE FOUR DAYS AGO, FIVE DAYS AGO.
Sorry, guy who brings up stuff from the 1930s, for showing you that what you denied your government did, was actually done by your government in living memory.
The Ukrainian people did that revolution on their own after Yanukovich outed himself as a Russian puppet and enemy of democracy. The US was not involved at all, it was solely the will of the Ukrainian people.
Again, this is very low IQ stuff, and I know you're not dumb. Violent coups are not 'the will of the people'. Yanukovich did not out himself as anything. And violently overthrowing a democratically elected president is what makes the Maidan putschists enemies of democracy, and you for supporting them (because you don't actually believe in it, it's just a meme you use to manipulate people).
Only the RUSSIAN Orthodox Church, which they have caught multiple times acting as a front for Russian government espionage. 100% legitimate ban.
Mr. "Freedom and Democracy" is supporting the banning of centuries-old churches, because MUH RUSSHER.
Looks like your "freedom and democracy" is not something that is in any way impressive.
Don't know about that, don't care regardless. Ukraine does not have to be perfect and sinless to deserve Western aid to preserve its freedom
Freedom is intelligence services intimidatng judges to jail dissidents for 12 years. You'll support any sort of fascism if it suits your geopoltical interests, and then you will dress it up in "freedom" and "democracy".
"Sovereignty" = obeying America's commands.
and sovereignty against an evil Russian empire and it's goals of Ukrainian cultural genocide.
In the previous paragraph, you supported Russian cultural genocide, as you have done before when talking about banning the Russian language, while hypocritically asserting that others do what you support.
You're just a neocon jingoist. Don't worry, your pathetic puppet shithole will be crushed, and then you will blame the "libs".
Donbas is part of Ukraine's internationally recognized borders
No one cares about your "international community", which is just the American empire - see how it bribed and intimidated dozens of countries into recognizing America's seizing of Kosovo.
Ukraine has always been within its right to drive the illegal Russian invasion out of Donbas.
Serbia was within its rights to drive terrorists out of Kosovo, and yet you hypocritically said that "Serbia invaded Kosovo". You complained that "Russia invaded Chechnya". When it's your puppet, you support it all of a sudden.
Diplomatic relatons don't make a country. Or if they do, prepare to admit that Taiwan is not a country.
The USSR was, according to Russians, not a "Russian Empire",
Hate to break it to you. They lied.
Russia is inferior militarily to Ukraine
LOL.
The US is inferior militarily to the Taliban.
Spoken like someone who shills for the Russian government, either paid or unpaid.
I guess the CIA did not provide you with propaganda with which to respond to that, eh?
You suffer from the delusion that all people are just as evil as the corrupt Russian elites are, and some people just hide it better.
Joe Biden doesn't hide it better. You just wilfully close to your eyes to the evil of the US government, because you believe that a country can do no wrong when you happen to have been born within the territory over which it claims power.
This is so clearly contradicted by history and current events as I have witnessed them throughout my lifetime
CNN told you "US leaders good, Russia leaders bad". Alrighty then.
I can only conclude you are willfully delusional in order to cope and engage in apologia for the evil Russian leadership.
It's very easy to make a case for Putin being a good man. But I won't, because I know that polticians are evil people. Furthermore, Russia isn't even my country, contrary to your delusions. I have no interest in "coping", but you clearly do in arguing for the moral purity of the US government. I'm only interested in the truth, something you unfortunately aren't.
Pretty much everything the US does. I wish the US government would behave more selfishly but the US State Dept is infested with "do gooders" who waste US taxpayer funds to virtue signal.
They are acting selfishly, just not in the interests of the people. This is a principal actor problem, not a selfishness problem.
You sound like a rapist blaming his rape victim for "provoking" him by wearing a tight dress.
Poor Lindsey Graham, he's a rape victim? I guess John McCain was even more aggressive than we had thought.
It's elected officials.
The same ones who appointed this literal terrorist as the head of their intelligence service? Good one.
Apparently he obtained his position for being ruthless against Russian spies, a desirable trait in a war. Apparently he is good at his job since you are so angry with him.
It's desirable to intimidate judges to give dissidents 13 year prison sentencess. FREEDOM! DEMOCRACY!
you're bringing up some shit from the 1930s? 90 years old at this point? LOL
An attack, however easily repulsed, is better prevented altogether.
OK, so you claim that Putin is 'rational', but that he will definitely attack NATO? This is just delusion. You'll just make any ad hoc rationalization for any defense of your empire that you need at the moment.
Why waste NATO lives when Ukraine is willing to do
OK, so you're admitting that you're sending unwilling Ukrainian conscripts to their deaths for your empire.
You'd be surprised how hard it was to find out "her" birth name. It's totally scrubbed from all left wing sources and banned by policy at wikipedia. No news articles mention it. Had to get a washington times (known for leaning right wing) article from years ago.
Unfortunately, ruling classes use 1984 as a manual.
Like the US overthrew Mossadegh, like it planned to assassinate Lumumba, like it did a color revolution against Yanukovich.
Ukraine is not "free". They're banning the Orthodox Church. The SBU intimidates judges to get sentences of TWELVE years against people criticizing the garbage government run from the State Department.
Ukraine is not "peaceful". It's been terrorizing the Donbas for 8 years. It's been gathering arms and munitions to mount an assault on the Donbas. Ukraine has been agitating for a world war for a year now.
Ukraine is not even a country. It's been part of the Russian Empire for over 200 years. It's a pathetic shithole, a miserable failure of even a fake country with a fraction of the per capita GDP of Russia.
The disappearance of this corrupt, puppet shithole non-country will be a net improvement for freedom, peace and count of purported countries that are actual countries.
That is the dumb people explanation, and you are not dumb. You suffer from an over-identification with the criminals who rule your country.
When has the US government done what is "right and good"? Evil is launching wars of aggression on the other side of the world, in Iraq, Syria, Libya and Yugoslavia. Evil is overthrowing a democratically elected president in 2014 to expand your empire. Evil is sabotaging a peace agreement between Malorussia and Great Russia for your own geopolitical ambitions.
The evil side is the one that provoked the war, and which is now (in the words of the psycho neocon Lindsey Graham) fighting until the last Ukrainian.
The HEAD of its intelligence service doesn't respresent Ukraine? Then who does?
Ukraine was doing much better under the USSR, despite the counterproductive communist economic system.
So you simultaneously argue that Putin is such a threat that he is working on attacking NATO, but he's also so weak that NATO will easily repulse it? It all makes zero sense. It's the typical Doublethink that you were taught to think by your media.
If there will be no nuclear war due to an invasion of NATO by Russia (even where it has no right to be under its No Inch East promise), then there's nothing to worry about, right?
Ah yes, the first female admiral. Responsible for many thousands of deaths in Pennsylvania.
who?
you're bringing up some shit from the 1950s? 70 years old at this point? LOL
not relevant
The US isn't like it was back then. I wish it was, but it's not.
The Ukrainian people did that revolution on their own after Yanukovich outed himself as a Russian puppet and enemy of democracy. The US was not involved at all, it was solely the will of the Ukrainian people.
Only the RUSSIAN Orthodox Church, which they have caught multiple times acting as a front for Russian government espionage. 100% legitimate ban.
The Ukrainian Orthodox Church will still be around.
Don't know about that, don't care regardless. Ukraine does not have to be perfect and sinless to deserve Western aid to preserve its freedom and sovereignty against an evil Russian empire and it's goals of Ukrainian cultural genocide. Whatever flaws Ukraine has, it inherited from the evil Russian-led Soviet Union.
Donbas is part of Ukraine's internationally recognized borders. Putin conducted an invasion in 2014 and lied to claim he wasn't doing it when he obviously was.
Ukraine has always been within its right to drive the illegal Russian invasion out of Donbas.
It literally is, and you are mentally ill for suggesting otherwise.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_diplomatic_relations_of_Ukraine
False.
The USSR was, according to Russians, not a "Russian Empire", therefore the Russian empire ceased to exist in 1917, and Ukraine existed as the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, which included Crimea. In 1991, it became a fully independent nation and has been such for 32 years now.
And yet... Russia is willing to throw away its whole military and future in a failed attempt to conquer it.
And yet... Russia is inferior militarily to Ukraine and incapable of defeating it on the battlefield, and has lost at least 2 major battles to Ukraine, the only two times Ukraine launched offensives.
Spoken like someone who shills for the Russian government, either paid or unpaid.
No, it is the correct explanation. You suffer from the delusion that all people are just as evil as the corrupt Russian elites are, and some people just hide it better. This is so clearly contradicted by history and current events as I have witnessed them throughout my lifetime that I can only conclude you are willfully delusional in order to cope and engage in apologia for the evil Russian leadership.
Pretty much everything the US does. I wish the US government would behave more selfishly but the US State Dept is infested with "do gooders" who waste US taxpayer funds to virtue signal.
I don't think the US SHOULD be good. We should be a ruthless, dominating empire that ALLOWS the world freedom as a sort of noblesse oblige.
You sound like a rapist blaming his rape victim for "provoking" him by wearing a tight dress.
It's elected officials.
The head of Ukraine's intelligence is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyrylo_Budanov
Vasyl Malyuk is lower rank and heads the KGB descendant SBU only quite recently since 7 February 2023: "The agency was viewed negatively by the Ukrainian public for much of its history, as it was widely regarded as corrupt and was best known for arresting and intimidating political dissidents. After the Revolution of Dignity in 2014, the SBU went through a restructuring with the transition to the new government, because of its corruption and infiltration by the intelligence agencies of Russia."
Apparently he obtained his position for being ruthless against Russian spies, a desirable trait in a war. Apparently he is good at his job since you are so angry with him.
HAH
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
Russia has also gone to great lengths to hold Ukraine down since 1991 and keep Ukraine corrupt and under Russia's control. That's why the people got fed up and wanted to break free from Russian domination and seek out the EU instead.
Correct. An attack, however easily repulsed, is better prevented altogether. Why waste NATO lives when Ukraine is willing to do the fighting and destroy the Russian military for us? It's a win-win. Ukraine keeps its freedom & NATO gets to destroy the Russian military without a single casualty.
Since when is non-nuclear war not worrisome? I think the entire policy of the United States regarding China ought to be oriented towards gaining maximum advantage in the future CONVENTIONAL war I expect China to launch against our allies.
Never forget her 1st murder victim, a man named Richard Levine.
You'd be surprised how hard it was to find out "her" birth name. It's totally scrubbed from all left wing sources and banned by policy at wikipedia. No news articles mention it. Had to get a washington times (known for leaning right wing) article from years ago.
THAT WAS LIKE FOUR DAYS AGO, FIVE DAYS AGO.
Sorry, guy who brings up stuff from the 1930s, for showing you that what you denied your government did, was actually done by your government in living memory.
Again, this is very low IQ stuff, and I know you're not dumb. Violent coups are not 'the will of the people'. Yanukovich did not out himself as anything. And violently overthrowing a democratically elected president is what makes the Maidan putschists enemies of democracy, and you for supporting them (because you don't actually believe in it, it's just a meme you use to manipulate people).
Mr. "Freedom and Democracy" is supporting the banning of centuries-old churches, because MUH RUSSHER.
Looks like your "freedom and democracy" is not something that is in any way impressive.
Freedom is intelligence services intimidatng judges to jail dissidents for 12 years. You'll support any sort of fascism if it suits your geopoltical interests, and then you will dress it up in "freedom" and "democracy".
"Sovereignty" = obeying America's commands.
In the previous paragraph, you supported Russian cultural genocide, as you have done before when talking about banning the Russian language, while hypocritically asserting that others do what you support.
You're just a neocon jingoist. Don't worry, your pathetic puppet shithole will be crushed, and then you will blame the "libs".
No one cares about your "international community", which is just the American empire - see how it bribed and intimidated dozens of countries into recognizing America's seizing of Kosovo.
Serbia was within its rights to drive terrorists out of Kosovo, and yet you hypocritically said that "Serbia invaded Kosovo". You complained that "Russia invaded Chechnya". When it's your puppet, you support it all of a sudden.
Diplomatic relatons don't make a country. Or if they do, prepare to admit that Taiwan is not a country.
Hate to break it to you. They lied.
LOL.
The US is inferior militarily to the Taliban.
I guess the CIA did not provide you with propaganda with which to respond to that, eh?
Joe Biden doesn't hide it better. You just wilfully close to your eyes to the evil of the US government, because you believe that a country can do no wrong when you happen to have been born within the territory over which it claims power.
CNN told you "US leaders good, Russia leaders bad". Alrighty then.
It's very easy to make a case for Putin being a good man. But I won't, because I know that polticians are evil people. Furthermore, Russia isn't even my country, contrary to your delusions. I have no interest in "coping", but you clearly do in arguing for the moral purity of the US government. I'm only interested in the truth, something you unfortunately aren't.
They are acting selfishly, just not in the interests of the people. This is a principal actor problem, not a selfishness problem.
Poor Lindsey Graham, he's a rape victim? I guess John McCain was even more aggressive than we had thought.
The same ones who appointed this literal terrorist as the head of their intelligence service? Good one.
It's desirable to intimidate judges to give dissidents 13 year prison sentencess. FREEDOM! DEMOCRACY!
you're bringing up some shit from the 1930s? 90 years old at this point? LOL
OK, so you claim that Putin is 'rational', but that he will definitely attack NATO? This is just delusion. You'll just make any ad hoc rationalization for any defense of your empire that you need at the moment.
OK, so you're admitting that you're sending unwilling Ukrainian conscripts to their deaths for your empire.
Unfortunately, ruling classes use 1984 as a manual.