Ukraine has been an independent country for 32 years.
It was independent between 1992 and 2014. That's 22 years. It was part of Russia for over 200 years, so that still outweighs that.
The Ukrainian people were fed up with being ruled by a Russian puppet.
Yanukovich was no puppet, he was actually elected unlike the thugs who were installed at the command of Victoria Nuland.
Alaska is an American state
It is? It's been part of America for far shorter than Little Russia has been part of Russia, so Russia has greater claim to Ukraine than you do to Alaska.
The better analogy would be if the US invaded the Philippines now in 2023 after the Philippines has been an independent country for many decades.
Philippines are not American, either ethnically or linguistically. The best analogy is the Confederacy. It's funny how you don't give your own states the right to secede, but always demand for others the 'right' to secede in order to weaken other countries and wreck them.
And you claimed that Serbia invaded KOSOVO, and that Russia invaded CHECHNYA. Basically, it's an "invasion" whenever it suits your empire, and it's not whenever it doesn't.
I fail to see how the Russian invasion of Crimea & its clandestine invasion of parts of the Donbass in 2014 somehow ended Ukrainian statehood in that year. If so, why did Putin invade in 2022 if it wasn't independent anymore?
Oh, wait, you mean... that it was the US... LOL for fuck's sake. I'm sorry but if I'm not going to entertain the delusions of a tranny, I'm not going to entertain yours. It would be EASIER to believe that Rachel Levine is a woman than to believe your bullshit.
Yanukovich was no puppet
He was, he literally fled to Putin the moment people started to protest against him.
unlike the thugs who were installed at the command of Victoria Nuland.
Except they weren't thugs and they weren't installed, and your only "evidence" is a hacked phone call in which Nuland says she likes the already-favored candidate and thought he would be a good leader. A far cry from what you claim she said.
It is?
Alaska has been part of the US since 1867.
Ukraine has NOT been part of Russia since 1917.
Shit that happened back hundreds of years ago doesn't matter. If you want to play that game, Russia needs to submit to Mongolian rule.
Russia has greater claim to Ukraine than you do to Alaska.
Literally retarded.
Philippines are not American, either ethnically or linguistically.
Ukrainians are not Russian, either ethnically or linguistically.
Oh, wait, you mean... that it was the US... LOL for fuck's sake. I'm sorry but if I'm not going to entertain the delusions of a tranny, I'm not going to entertain yours. It would be EASIER to believe that Rachel Levine is a woman than to believe your bullshit.
The delusions of a tranny are easily refuted. There is a very good reason that you can't refute the fact that the Maidan coup was America's doing.
He was, he literally fled to Putin the moment people started to protest against him.
He fled because he feared for his life? You were assuring me that this was Very Democratic. And if you flee to a given country because America and EU sponsored mobs are threatening your life, does that make you a puppet of that country?
It's possible to be "elected", especially with cheating
Please show me the "cheatng" that Yanukovich engaged in in 2011, when his opponents controlled the state.
and to also be a puppet.
Well yeah, Zelensky was elected, after all.
Except they weren't thugs and they weren't installed, and your only "evidence" is a hacked phone call in which Nuland says she likes the already-favored candidate and thought he would be a good leader.
Your only evidence is a hacked phone call from before the coup in which Nuland appoints someone who became PM after the coup!
And what was John McCain doing in Kiev?
You claim not to be a neocon, but you defend Victoria Nuland to the hilt.
Alaska has been part of the US since 1867.
Ukraine has NOT been part of Russia since 1917.
Nope, 1992. You know full well that the constituent republicus in the USSR had no autonomy, and that Ukraine then was as independent from Moscow as it is now from Washington. So between the late 19th century and 1992. That is 200 years. From 1867 to this point is not 200 years.
There is a very good reason that you can't refute the fact that the Maidan coup was America's doing.
I've refuted it many times. You won't accept it any more than a tranny will accept YWNBAW.
does that make you a puppet of that country?
Yes, fleeing to Putin the moment you run into domestic trouble means you're a puppet fleeing to the protection of your master.
Please show me the "cheatng" that Yanukovich engaged in in 2011, when his opponents controlled the state.
https://archive.is/Auq4i also Russia's foreign espionage and propaganda services were heavily invested in manipulating the outcome in Ukraine. It wasn't a level playing field just as the US is not a level playing field with the system rigged in many ways to favor Democrats.
Also the prior president hated Tymoshenko as well and didn't support her.
Well yeah, Zelensky was elected, after all.
As much as you people hate Zelensky, he was the more moderate candidate, Poroshenko was the more anti-Russia candidate.
in which Nuland appoints someone
stop lying. she didn't "appoint" anyone. I've read the phone call. The transcript, which Russia hacked and selectively leaked, is available online. Feel free to quote the exact text where she "appoints" anyone. She doesn't. Instead, she has a preference for who she wants to win and openly talks about it in the context of normal politics, such as the different factions in Ukraine and how Russia will interfere, none of which is consistent with your claim that she was some sort of viceroy with the power to appoint.
You're just repeating a Russian lie. Your talking points are always 1:1 with russian propaganda.
You claim not to be a neocon
Neocons don't exist anymore and haven't existed since the Bush admin. You Russian propagandists seem to be stuck on political jargon from 20 years ago and have failed to update. The people you call "neocons" all just became Democrats (like they always really were, they just snuck into the Bush admin for a few years). Neocon hasn't been a relevant term in American politics for a long, long time.
you defend Victoria Nuland to the hilt.
She's a dumb bitch for all I care. I think the US State Dept is shit and should be cut back in funding massively.
I defend the TRUTH. The phone call your Russian masters hacked simply does not say what you claim it says. Either shut the fuck up or quote it. The burden of proof is on you.
Nope, 1992. You know full well that the constituent republicus in the USSR had no autonomy, and that Ukraine then was as independent from Moscow as it is now from Washington. So between the late 19th century and 1992. That is 200 years. From 1867 to this point is not 200 years.
You are losing this war and you will never have Ukraine back. Your laughable "b-b-b-ut we used to own it a long time ago!" copes won't change that fact. Cope however you please. I will eat popcorn while I watch videos of Russian armored vehicles blowing up on Twitter.
I've refuted it many times. You won't accept it any more than a tranny will accept YWNBAW.
Yes, you were wrong many times.
Yes, fleeing to Putin the moment you run into domestic trouble means you're a puppet fleeing to the protection of your master.
When US-sponsored terrorists threaten your life, you flee to a country that wasn't sponsoring those terrorists and is unlikely to hand you back for a gruesome murder.
also Russia's foreign espionage and propaganda services were heavily invested in manipulating the outcome in Ukraine. It wasn't a level playing field just as the US is not a level playing field with the system rigged in many ways to favor Democrats.
Well, then Yanukovich won an election that was as fair as American elections, which don't impress me very much. Thing is, folks like you call that 'democratic'. I always point out that democracy is a fiction, and that elites impose their will. Yanukovich had the support of corrupt oligarchs, which is why he won.
As much as you people hate Zelensky, he was the more moderate candidate, Poroshenko was the more anti-Russia candidate.
I am aware. And he broke his word because he was threatened.
Instead, she has a preference for who she wants to win and openly talks about it in the context of normal politics, such as the different factions in Ukraine and how Russia will interfere, none of which is consistent with your claim that she was some sort of viceroy with the power to appoint.
She sure has been acting like a viceroy, and she's been ruling Ukraine under every president except DJT. What does it matter if she does not have the formal power, and that this is indirect rule (as it is) - like much of British rule in Africa?
You're just repeating a Russian lie. Your talking points are always 1:1 with russian propaganda.
Says the dead-ender who actually believed that Havana Syndrome was a Russian weapon from the 23rd century. I guess crickets made some noises and this affected your thinking ability.
The people you call "neocons" all just became Democrats (like they always really were, they just snuck into the Bush admin for a few years). Neocon hasn't been a relevant term in American politics for a long, long time.
You are 1:1 with those neocons. Clearly, you're being paid by them. Maybe by the CIA.
I defend the TRUTH. The phone call your Russian masters hacked simply does not say what you claim it says. Either shut the fuck up or quote it. The burden of proof is on you.
If you defend the truth, why do you call everyone who disagrees with you a "Russian agent" like some sort of coked-out Russiagater hybrid with a 1950s paranoid Cold Warrior?
You are losing this war and you will never have Ukraine back
Said imperialists in 1918 and 1941. I'll concede that if jingoism and bravado won wars, you'd be winning.
But you won't. You just sound like some guy on drugs claiming that Finland will defeat the Soviet Union because Voroshilov was incapable of planning. It's not happening. It's literally impossible, even if your masters in Langley keep sending hundreds of billions of American taxpayer dollars to that statelet.
Your laughable "b-b-b-ut we used to own it a long time ago!" copes won't change that fact. Cope however you please. I will eat popcorn while I watch videos of Russian armored vehicles blowing up on Twitter.
All you have to do is kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down, eh?
Death to the evil Russian empire.
You're so silly screaming about MUH RUSSHER while your own evil empire wants to castrate kids, make you kneel before blacks and spread perversion and export degeneracy and BLM to the world.
It was independent between 1992 and 2014. That's 22 years. It was part of Russia for over 200 years, so that still outweighs that.
Yanukovich was no puppet, he was actually elected unlike the thugs who were installed at the command of Victoria Nuland.
It is? It's been part of America for far shorter than Little Russia has been part of Russia, so Russia has greater claim to Ukraine than you do to Alaska.
Philippines are not American, either ethnically or linguistically. The best analogy is the Confederacy. It's funny how you don't give your own states the right to secede, but always demand for others the 'right' to secede in order to weaken other countries and wreck them.
And you claimed that Serbia invaded KOSOVO, and that Russia invaded CHECHNYA. Basically, it's an "invasion" whenever it suits your empire, and it's not whenever it doesn't.
I fail to see how the Russian invasion of Crimea & its clandestine invasion of parts of the Donbass in 2014 somehow ended Ukrainian statehood in that year. If so, why did Putin invade in 2022 if it wasn't independent anymore?
Oh, wait, you mean... that it was the US... LOL for fuck's sake. I'm sorry but if I'm not going to entertain the delusions of a tranny, I'm not going to entertain yours. It would be EASIER to believe that Rachel Levine is a woman than to believe your bullshit.
He was, he literally fled to Putin the moment people started to protest against him.
It's possible to be "elected", especially with cheating, and to also be a puppet. Russia had a huge amount of subversive influence in Ukraine at the time and Yanukovich threw his biggest opponent in prison to silence the opposition.
Except they weren't thugs and they weren't installed, and your only "evidence" is a hacked phone call in which Nuland says she likes the already-favored candidate and thought he would be a good leader. A far cry from what you claim she said.
Alaska has been part of the US since 1867.
Ukraine has NOT been part of Russia since 1917.
Shit that happened back hundreds of years ago doesn't matter. If you want to play that game, Russia needs to submit to Mongolian rule.
Literally retarded.
Ukrainians are not Russian, either ethnically or linguistically.
The delusions of a tranny are easily refuted. There is a very good reason that you can't refute the fact that the Maidan coup was America's doing.
He fled because he feared for his life? You were assuring me that this was Very Democratic. And if you flee to a given country because America and EU sponsored mobs are threatening your life, does that make you a puppet of that country?
Please show me the "cheatng" that Yanukovich engaged in in 2011, when his opponents controlled the state.
Well yeah, Zelensky was elected, after all.
Your only evidence is a hacked phone call from before the coup in which Nuland appoints someone who became PM after the coup!
And what was John McCain doing in Kiev?
You claim not to be a neocon, but you defend Victoria Nuland to the hilt.
Nope, 1992. You know full well that the constituent republicus in the USSR had no autonomy, and that Ukraine then was as independent from Moscow as it is now from Washington. So between the late 19th century and 1992. That is 200 years. From 1867 to this point is not 200 years.
I've refuted it many times. You won't accept it any more than a tranny will accept YWNBAW.
Yes, fleeing to Putin the moment you run into domestic trouble means you're a puppet fleeing to the protection of your master.
https://archive.is/Auq4i also Russia's foreign espionage and propaganda services were heavily invested in manipulating the outcome in Ukraine. It wasn't a level playing field just as the US is not a level playing field with the system rigged in many ways to favor Democrats.
Also the prior president hated Tymoshenko as well and didn't support her.
As much as you people hate Zelensky, he was the more moderate candidate, Poroshenko was the more anti-Russia candidate.
stop lying. she didn't "appoint" anyone. I've read the phone call. The transcript, which Russia hacked and selectively leaked, is available online. Feel free to quote the exact text where she "appoints" anyone. She doesn't. Instead, she has a preference for who she wants to win and openly talks about it in the context of normal politics, such as the different factions in Ukraine and how Russia will interfere, none of which is consistent with your claim that she was some sort of viceroy with the power to appoint.
You're just repeating a Russian lie. Your talking points are always 1:1 with russian propaganda.
Neocons don't exist anymore and haven't existed since the Bush admin. You Russian propagandists seem to be stuck on political jargon from 20 years ago and have failed to update. The people you call "neocons" all just became Democrats (like they always really were, they just snuck into the Bush admin for a few years). Neocon hasn't been a relevant term in American politics for a long, long time.
She's a dumb bitch for all I care. I think the US State Dept is shit and should be cut back in funding massively.
I defend the TRUTH. The phone call your Russian masters hacked simply does not say what you claim it says. Either shut the fuck up or quote it. The burden of proof is on you.
You are losing this war and you will never have Ukraine back. Your laughable "b-b-b-ut we used to own it a long time ago!" copes won't change that fact. Cope however you please. I will eat popcorn while I watch videos of Russian armored vehicles blowing up on Twitter.
Death to the evil Russian empire.
Yes, you were wrong many times.
When US-sponsored terrorists threaten your life, you flee to a country that wasn't sponsoring those terrorists and is unlikely to hand you back for a gruesome murder.
Well, then Yanukovich won an election that was as fair as American elections, which don't impress me very much. Thing is, folks like you call that 'democratic'. I always point out that democracy is a fiction, and that elites impose their will. Yanukovich had the support of corrupt oligarchs, which is why he won.
I am aware. And he broke his word because he was threatened.
She sure has been acting like a viceroy, and she's been ruling Ukraine under every president except DJT. What does it matter if she does not have the formal power, and that this is indirect rule (as it is) - like much of British rule in Africa?
Says the dead-ender who actually believed that Havana Syndrome was a Russian weapon from the 23rd century. I guess crickets made some noises and this affected your thinking ability.
You are 1:1 with those neocons. Clearly, you're being paid by them. Maybe by the CIA.
If you defend the truth, why do you call everyone who disagrees with you a "Russian agent" like some sort of coked-out Russiagater hybrid with a 1950s paranoid Cold Warrior?
Said imperialists in 1918 and 1941. I'll concede that if jingoism and bravado won wars, you'd be winning.
But you won't. You just sound like some guy on drugs claiming that Finland will defeat the Soviet Union because Voroshilov was incapable of planning. It's not happening. It's literally impossible, even if your masters in Langley keep sending hundreds of billions of American taxpayer dollars to that statelet.
All you have to do is kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down, eh?
You're so silly screaming about MUH RUSSHER while your own evil empire wants to castrate kids, make you kneel before blacks and spread perversion and export degeneracy and BLM to the world.