This is a bit of a shower thought, but I'm wondering if all the polytard nonsense that's been pushed over the last few years is the even more degenerate dark side of female hypergamy. We know that the vast majority of women are only interested in a tiny portion of men (the top of the top of the top on the SMV pecking order). It's often referred to as the 80/20 rule (80% of women going for 20% of men), but there's evidence that it's more like the top 5% (source). Whatever the exact numbers, the point remains the same: This leaves a ton of leftover men, and a much smaller number of women who are disgustingly low value, even by current year's nasty standards. Those women might consider 7s, 6s, and possibly 5s to be on their level instead of 9s and 10s, but they still have a ridiculously overinflated perception of their SMV.
The main response society has to this problem is to sweep it under the rug and expect men to continue playing the sick game or rot in a ditch if they can't/won't. But a secondary response appears to be promoting polyamory. In a certain sense that's already happening organically with the women and top men (think a de facto form of polygyny). The setup isn't officially a relationship and frankly Chad Thundercock doesn't need to seek progressive validation of his lifestyle so they don't use that term, but that's what it is in practice. That's not what the degenerate media is promoting, however. A man with multiple women is a crime against feminism. They don't criticize women who participate in those setups because criticizing women's shitty taste in men is an even worse crime against feminism. Still, they don't approve of it and won't promote it. They're promoting nasty ass women with a cuck harem of low value males. I even once read an article promoting polyamory as a solution to the incel problem (I lost it and can't find it unfortunately). Now, polytards will tell you that there's a million different ways that polyamory can be structured. While that's true, the most common structure by far (outside the cock carousel that is) is the cuck harem. The media is eager to promote cuckoldry of course (example), and I sort of wonder if their goal is to get non-Chads to share bottom of the barrel women. Using the (optimistic) 80/20 numbers as an example, that's 4 non-Chads for every nasty woman who can't get Chad or Tyrone to bang her even in a dry spell. I think the cuckoldry aspect is enough for the elites to favor it, and it allows them to victim blame incels for being unwilling to share a disgusting woman with 3 other dudes. "Hey, polyamory is option for them. They obviously don't want sex as bad as they want to be misogynistic monogamists". I'm curious to know what people here think. It's kind of a half baked theory of mine that popped into my head a few days ago.
You are overthinking it.
If it is anti-west, anti-white, anti-Christian, anti-male then the subverted media will promote it.
First off let's call it what it is: Full-time orbiter status. Never underestimate the lengths such men will go to to be guaranteed even a whiff of pussy; self-described male feminists and the like. I think hyper-feminized men adopt many the behaviors of women in this regard, and they will put up with it much like women "put up" with "chad". The only difference is that the male is miserable, since none of it rings true of a high quality woman. Castles and conquerors.
For the type of low self-esteem woman who engages this type of relationship, it's the perfect "have your cake and eat it too" situation, but this is rare enough a phenomena and restricted enough to cuckold culture so as not to not exactly be worried about it. Any man with a pair of testicles is a natural repellant to this juxtaposition of post-modernist horror.
As for the statistics, I think they're comically skewed due to most men being fucking gross on dating apps and sites (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4zbe7PKJgg) - and really who's going to get away with that cold call easier? "Chad" or the average joe?
And to be honest, I never had to date much. I am a fucking autist yet in a lot of my social experimentation throughout college and up before the point where I became a Christian and developed superior morals - "I'd let you crash on my couch anytime!" was synonymous with getting laid that night, which was pretty often. I don't consider myself "gigachad", nor does my wallet or distinct lack of 6 pack abs (yet good v-taper and general shapeliness) scream 5% - yet some broad always found her way to latch onto my arm. I have never had to even try, not even once.
But something was always off... these women always lost interest when I thought to build a life with them. I imagine it's the same with that 5%. I don't think they always fuck about this multiplicity of women just because they want to; I think that the kind of woman who is in it past the novelty of being with "chad" is just rare, like you have to be a piece of shit in order for them to actually want it or else it just it all just loses appeal. You almost have to be an emotionally manipulative freak and a virtuoso liar to truly gain a desired level of investment as someone who is seen as a novelty.
It's kind of like the homely wife and the bimbo of yesteryear as it applies to the high level man and how women perceive him, but of course with obvious differences and settling happens - but that woman who is willing to actually build a life with you is a gem. It feels like until the control panel of society is put right, I will never have my perfect Aryan "raise your 11 sons and bring lemonade to you while you build a cabin on our humble plot of land on the prairie" waifu and this is a deep dread.
More or less this.
When F>M it's generally a bunch of very low beta males who not only can't get any from normal relationships but likely aren't going to be getting much in a poly relationship either because the F gets to pick and mix what M does what.
Want a fuckbuddy? M1 can do that. Want a cuddle-buddy? M2 is desperate enough for human touch he will forego sex. Want some new shoes? M3 will buy m'lady her newest wants because it's the only way anyone ever pays M3 attention.
However when it's F<M then it's usually an actual stereotypical Chad who has enough looks/power/money that women are throwing themselves at him for the chance he settles for one of them. Because that's what F<M poly relationships always are, women who claim to be ok with being open but really are just wanting to be "the one" that a guy eventually ends up exclusive with. And
heif an M in that situation does start gravitating towards one particular F then you can bet your best pick up lines she will then push hard for either "exclusivity" or more freedom for her than she "permits" the guy to have, which just ends up turning into the F>M situation all over again.I've known people that "tried to be poly". It never worked. Ever.
Couples who decided to be "open" inevitably ended up spiraling into break ups because unsurprisingly to those with functioning brains when you start compartmentalising your relationship needs between multiple people the ones who aren't fulfilling certain roles end up feeling left out.
And going back again to the F>M and F<M things, if it's the F in a couple who wants to be open it's because she already had someone picked out, even if it's only ever intended as a one off fling which "suddenly" turns back to monogamous after
onceshe's had her fun. If it's the M who wants to be open then he too likely has someone in mindit'sbecause that someone has already approached him first, and may well be intending to break up the existing couple to take the guy for herself.Edit: I think I had several different thoughts on how to phrase some of them and rather than pick an option I combined things.
don't use their gay buzzwords
Polyamourous is just a big word for slut. Someone who's fucked so many people that they have zero pair bonding left and can only "feel" anything, if at all, during the immediate beginnings of a relationship where everything is new and fresh (ie honeymoon stage). As soon as things settle down into a normal relationship, onto the next.
The overall wealth transfer of taxes:benefits creates the same effect, but most men aren't getting their dicks wet from the useless sponges looking to fuck a man out of their league whenever he's bored.
Polyamory is the default for humans. As seen in tribes, societies and cultures pre-civilisation. There would be a leader of the tribe whom would have virtually all the children, a second in command who may have one or two children and the rest of the men have nothing. As seen in scientific studies in tribes to this day. Children were raised by all the women and the "leftover men" had a powerful incentive to not disrupt the hierarchy or attempt to mate because the punishment would be either death by direct means or being cast out of the tribe and left to fend for themselves, where they would become prey.
It's one of the reasons, but a critical historical one, of why 80% of women have passed on their genes but only 40% of men have.
Once we moved forward to civilisation and society, we realised that having a lot of men without partners would be disastrous for society so we implemented enforced monogamy to ensure as close a 1:1 ratio of men to women so that these men were incentivised to work and contribute to society.
This worked until the 1960s when cue the birth control pill, liberation and technological changes which removed the consequence of pregnancy came about and we've seen a shift in terms of attitudes to dating and relationships. And it's accelerated in the last decade since the introduction of dating websites and dating apps, particularly Tinder but also Plenty Of Fish before it which removes the last remaining social stigmas and public shaming of casual hook-ups and multi-dating as this can be kept anonymous from your peers and community.
I did see a video where a psychologist stated that twenty percent of women are in a polygamous relationship, whether they were aware of it or not. That was an eye opener when I heard it.
But in terms of the "bottom of the barrel women" you describe, the anecdotal evidence I have seen is that they value themselves much higher. We see this in studies around height. Shorter women seek much taller men compared to average height women. In order to compensate. I posit that women do the same thing in terms of attractiveness. They will also not settle for anything lower than their social status (what is known as hypergamy), preferring to go it alone with single motherhood, adopting a pet or even I am starting to see same-sex relationships rather than "settle" for a "non-Chad". Worse still, for advocates of "the wall", I have also seen anecdotal evidence that women in their fifties can get a lot of attention from men if they actively put themselves out there into the dating market. This is in stark contrast to the claims that as soon as a woman hits their thirties, its over and its singledom forever. That doesn't seem to tally with what is being seen in reality.
The solution to the "incel problem" is not going to be polyamory or state sanctioned girlfriends. It will be either criminalisation or blacklisting via social credit of anyone who is failing to attract a partner via their behaviour and status. As we are starting to see in the UK.
I get it that a lot of dudes are frustrated that they can't fuck and get pussy. I would be, too, but you've completely misjudged the situation. All this incel shit only applies to hookup culture, not relationships. People typically only spend a few years of their life hooking up, while spending 50+ years in relationships. The reason society doesn't give a shit that you can't get a high bodycount, is that every else got over it, grew up, and got married. Women think your desire for sex is gross, and men see you as the competition. Nobody will give you sympathy except other hard up dudes who are turning into incels.
Chads today create "soft harems" of sloots they rotate their coom around for based on their moods. It's important to understand that this only applies to sex. "female hypergamy" is completely irrelevant to women who want relationships, and women who aren't sluts.
And yes, the top 1% of guys get massive bodycounts of 500+ and it drops off very rapidly from there. If a typical slut has 20 sex partners, you can bet that like 15-18 are Chad types, and the remaining few are the dudes she "settled" for in relationships.
My bodycount is 50+, but unlike a true "Chad", I had to work for it. I couldn't just be lazy and get pussy. I had to actually date women and talk to them and impress them and make them laugh and shit. I had to work out and maintain a 6 pack. I had to invest hours and hours in building comfort and shit since girls would throw slut defense at me constantly. At one point I was on fire and fucking about half the girls I dated on the 1st date, but my overall average was more like 3 dates, and I'd openly tell girls if we didn't fuck by date 3 there wouldn't be a 4th date because my time was being wasted.
Again, this is true only for hookup sex. None of those 6/10 women fucking 9/10 dudes for random hookups are getting any relationships with those men. For relationships, all those 6/10 women have to lower their "standards", and if they don't, their only option is to go on r/femaledatingstrategy and REEEE then shop for cats.
I talked to a LOT of girls who only fucked Chads and then would try to waste my time. I developed methods to out them and spot them ASAP and then ghosted them or converted them over to gossip bait for other girls. (girls LOVE to talk shit about other women and laugh about cock carousel roasties, the #1 thing that makes a girl feel like she's not a slut, is to talk shit about bigger sluts)
Anyway I eventually got bored of sex and feeling like it was a job to check boxes for some roastie and pretend to like her until I pumped out her meat flaps.
If you want to fuck more girls, and you can't hit the gym and get ripped and actually boost your looks to fuck-level, then you need to cultivate a "high value boyfriend" image and learn how to not be thirsty, then reel in the roastie rebounds and pump and dump them.
If you are who you say you are, then you know that women can’t lower their standards indefinitely. Getting pumped and dumped by chad literally ruins them for life. That’s the biggest problem with the current 20/80 skew: each woman that chad bangs and drops is another one off the table forever. The best they can muster is a few post-wall years of proper assortive mating before their memories of chad trigger a divorce. Hardly a “win” for the beta bux dude she destroys.
Dude is a larping incel himself if he really believes former whores lower their standards for relationships without secretly resenting their partner.
Exactly.
You cannot truly believe that any woman that "lowrrs" her standards is actually going to stay in a relationship in the first place. Also 3s now think they're 6s because their egos are inflated by social media. So you're way off base old man. Not to mention this is another example of why I don't take you seriously when you claim to be a conservative.