Blackpill: I also expect that I will probably take my own life, one day. Don't know when, don't know how, but I've pretty much known this for more than a decade. I guess you can "hope" that it doesn't come to that, but sometimes life doesn't... Work, and mine hasn't.
Unlike this guy, however, I don't have a family. No one is relying on me. I don't have employees, or a business which needs me around. I'm a failure, which, in a sense fortunately, means that if I did go... The impact would be less than it could be.
But yeah, let's hope not yet. All I know, however, is that what they did to this man is evil, and I would much rather be dead, than be put through 30+ rounds of ECT, or "transcranial magnetic stimulation".
Literal torture. Literally killing your brain, because someone thinks that is "better" than being depressed. You wanna know how Carrie Fisher lost her memory? That.
Maybe you will not take your own life, things do change. I'm not in a great place either at the moment, but hopefully it will get better. However I'm not that far off, if I lose my job I'm probably calling quits.
If things work out for me I hope to be strong enough to help my kids and nephews if they ever get down on their luck. A strong family to support you is what most of us need.
Unless you have serious alcohol and drug problems, schizophrenia, and an extremely impulsive personality - no, you won't. The instinct to self-preservation is incredibly strong. I know!
It's your call. You need to find a reason to keep living, and I hope you do.
I agree 100% with your take on electroshock. It's barbaric, nearly as horrific as lobotomy, another psychological fetish that was contemporary with EST for a while until it was exposed as a method of control, a sort of non-lethal euthanasia that benefited those who would otherwise be forced to live with someone who goes around bothering people or is an embarrassment to the family.
Yes, lobotomies were performed that casually. I have no idea why EST is still being used.
If I ever felt like killing myself, I'd go out by killing as many of the people who put me in that position 1st, see how many I could get before I went down.
I don't see why anyone would ever just kill themselves unless they had a defective brain. A horrible life is still preferable to non-existence.
It’s simply not the case. If it were, suicide rates would be a hell of a lot lower than they are.
I don’t think I could disagree any more wholeheartedly, actually.
But that’s fine. You see the world that way. I don’t.
Nonexistence is absolutely preferably to a life of hellishness. I think anyone who gets to that point either realizes that, or has something that keeps them going.
I firmly sit in the camp of the former.
But I realize some people see things differently. That’s fine, but the key point is not to judge people who have reached the point where they simply don’t see things that way.
I honestly think this is one of those things that people don’t like hearing, but…
If you haven’t been there, it’s not really possible to understand, or appreciate, what being suicidal is like. It’s just not something that people seem to be capable of “getting”…
Which is why it is important to empathize as best you can. Stuff like “defective brain” certainly isn’t helpful, to say the least…
This is just one of those things. You don’t understand it until it affects you, and then when it does… Well, you have an entirely new perspective on things.
No. you see, I'm not a coward. I won't empathize with you at all. That's sickening. Empathy is for women. It's your life. It's what you make of it. Stop complaining and crying about not having everything handed to you and being protected from all suffering. Identify what you must change and start struggling instead of getting on your knees and crying like a bitch.
Which is why it is important to empathize as best you can. Stuff like “defective brain” certainly isn’t helpful, to say the least…
it's accurate to say suicidal people have defective brains. self preservation is the most fundamental instinct for all life.
if a person is using "I'm suicidal" as a way to manipulate sympathy from people, which is what most of them are doing, I'd honestly prefer they off themselves, but they won't.
Saying "you just don't get it" is foolish. Of course I get it, it's not hard to "get", it's just stupid.
Blackpill: I also expect that I will probably take my own life, one day. Don't know when, don't know how, but I've pretty much known this for more than a decade. I guess you can "hope" that it doesn't come to that, but sometimes life doesn't... Work, and mine hasn't.
Unlike this guy, however, I don't have a family. No one is relying on me. I don't have employees, or a business which needs me around. I'm a failure, which, in a sense fortunately, means that if I did go... The impact would be less than it could be.
But yeah, let's hope not yet. All I know, however, is that what they did to this man is evil, and I would much rather be dead, than be put through 30+ rounds of ECT, or "transcranial magnetic stimulation".
Literal torture. Literally killing your brain, because someone thinks that is "better" than being depressed. You wanna know how Carrie Fisher lost her memory? That.
Fuck that absolute evil bullshit.
Maybe you will not take your own life, things do change. I'm not in a great place either at the moment, but hopefully it will get better. However I'm not that far off, if I lose my job I'm probably calling quits.
If things work out for me I hope to be strong enough to help my kids and nephews if they ever get down on their luck. A strong family to support you is what most of us need.
Unless you have serious alcohol and drug problems, schizophrenia, and an extremely impulsive personality - no, you won't. The instinct to self-preservation is incredibly strong. I know!
It's your call. You need to find a reason to keep living, and I hope you do.
I agree 100% with your take on electroshock. It's barbaric, nearly as horrific as lobotomy, another psychological fetish that was contemporary with EST for a while until it was exposed as a method of control, a sort of non-lethal euthanasia that benefited those who would otherwise be forced to live with someone who goes around bothering people or is an embarrassment to the family.
Yes, lobotomies were performed that casually. I have no idea why EST is still being used.
If I ever felt like killing myself, I'd go out by killing as many of the people who put me in that position 1st, see how many I could get before I went down.
I don't see why anyone would ever just kill themselves unless they had a defective brain. A horrible life is still preferable to non-existence.
I don’t agree, on the latter point.
It’s simply not the case. If it were, suicide rates would be a hell of a lot lower than they are.
I don’t think I could disagree any more wholeheartedly, actually.
But that’s fine. You see the world that way. I don’t.
Nonexistence is absolutely preferably to a life of hellishness. I think anyone who gets to that point either realizes that, or has something that keeps them going.
I firmly sit in the camp of the former.
But I realize some people see things differently. That’s fine, but the key point is not to judge people who have reached the point where they simply don’t see things that way.
I honestly think this is one of those things that people don’t like hearing, but…
If you haven’t been there, it’s not really possible to understand, or appreciate, what being suicidal is like. It’s just not something that people seem to be capable of “getting”…
Which is why it is important to empathize as best you can. Stuff like “defective brain” certainly isn’t helpful, to say the least…
This is just one of those things. You don’t understand it until it affects you, and then when it does… Well, you have an entirely new perspective on things.
Such is life, really.
No. you see, I'm not a coward. I won't empathize with you at all. That's sickening. Empathy is for women. It's your life. It's what you make of it. Stop complaining and crying about not having everything handed to you and being protected from all suffering. Identify what you must change and start struggling instead of getting on your knees and crying like a bitch.
it's accurate to say suicidal people have defective brains. self preservation is the most fundamental instinct for all life.
if a person is using "I'm suicidal" as a way to manipulate sympathy from people, which is what most of them are doing, I'd honestly prefer they off themselves, but they won't.
Saying "you just don't get it" is foolish. Of course I get it, it's not hard to "get", it's just stupid.
Depression can't make you do anything that YOU don't want to do.
Yeah things might suck, and some of the thoughts can suck even worse.
But death is one of the few things in this world that can't be unfucked.
So long as you are still alive, things can possibly change for the better.
Isn't this similar to how Hemingway died?