As someone who has extensively worked in the medical field and currently works in research I'm just going to set the facts straight.
On May 30, 2018, President Donald Trump signed S.204, the Trickett Wendler, Frank Mongiello, Jordan McLinn and Matthew Bellina Right to Try Act. Right to Try opens a new pathway for terminally ill patients who have exhausted their government-approved options and can’t get into a clinical trial to access treatments. Although 41 states have passed Right to Try laws, the signing of S.204 makes Right to Try the law of the land, creating a uniform system for terminal patients seeking access to investigational treatments.
this bill was one of the greatest healthcare successes in modern history. In layman's terms it gives choice back to the patient on what care they can receive. This movement, while massively good, has a downside, we don't know if the treatment will work. That was not the point however, as the right of the individual to seek care was tantamount.
I'll now say something controversial here because well the anti-Trump circle jerk is blatant on the topic. Operation Warpspeed was a massive success. This is due to a multitude of factors including the fact that we were operating on limited information and massive amounts of global disinformation because of China. Now for those who were too shortsighted to remember 2 years ago, you werent even allowed to posit the notion that the virus was lab-made without immediate unpersoning. Doctors as prominent as Peter McCullough were unpersoned for simply making a therapeutic treatment for Covid.
Heres the rub for you anti-Trumpers, you judge in hindsight that 1. trump was somehow a medical expert. 2. that the vaccines were always bad and trump somehow knew, and 3. that trump was somehow god and could shut down the globalist healthcare agencies.
Heres the reality:
- Operation Warpspeed was developed because we were told the world was ending. Trump was willing to fund a massive loss and hinge his career on an attempt to help Americans in what was sold as an apocalyptic crisis.
- The FDA, NIH, WHO, JAMA, NEJM and CDC provably and repeatedly lied to both Trump and the public including publishing fraudulent studies. Blaming Trump for this in hindsight is again asking him to be god.
- Trump granted the states rights to determine their own Covid policy, this was frankly the best possible option because again he is not god and was constrained by congress.
- The right to try movement is what led to the McCollough treatment (Joe Rogan's "Kitchen Sink").
- If Trump fired Fauci and Birx, he would have cut the head off the hydra while covering himself in the poisoned blood. Simply put, they had/have to much political clout with the left, and the immediate celebritization of Fauci was to make firing him a poison pill.
Is Trump perfect? No. Would any president have done better in that timeframe? who knows. Could it have been much, much worse? It did, I left hospital care because Biden taking over cemented the regression of medical progress in exchange for political profit. These hindsight attacks are frankly childish and those who keep pushing them should be held to the same standard as they hold Trump.
The more I look back on Trump's tenure, the more demented or downright demonic his opposition looks. Any rational opposition to Trump's policies (as opposed to being offended by his abrasive personality and rhetoric) has been lost in the noise coming from the usual suspects, but the truth is his Presidency was good, especially when compared to every President since . . . shit . . . Eisenhower.
His presidency was average. We are just so demoralized that a president that wants a border and to have open businesses is seen as godlike.
Personally I view it as average because of the sheer amount of forces arrayed against him. The amount of attempts of outright sabotage even on things that were normally bipartisan issues was frankly insane
I agree. It was super weird
Average? Hes the best since Coolidge
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Reagan set us up for failure, he gave the dems amnesty of millions undocumented dem voters in return for a promise of shutting down the borders later.
The democrats for some reason then failed to do so.
For all his good talk, he may well be the one who ultimately destroyed the republic.
Yeah, you never hear the valid criticisms. Trump University is valid. Other than that, the only valid criticisms come from the right.
Please, that's just massive TDS. He used the word "University" for a training seminar, big whoop, who cares.
No, Operation Warp Speed being an abject failure is very valid criticism.
That's the strange part. Before the election, Operation Warp Speed was dragged over the coals by all the media and Democrat candidates. When they won, they appropriated it for themselves.
I am not sure how much I fault him for warpspeeds failure, given that pretty much every entity involved in it was lying to Trump.
But that doesn't make OWS a success like OP is claiming.
It's still an abject failure, no matter who you want to blame for it.
And Trump does get some blame : He was blinded by his need for a "win" for his presidency so much that he went all in on it, ignoring the fact that it never had been done before and thus was far from a guaranteed success. Granting immunity to pharmas over a completely unproven product ?
He promoted the jabs
still promoting
I fault him for continuing to promote them when their efficacy is so heavily in question, but I do not fault him for promoting them when they were initially available, especially when all entities involved have so heavily lied about them
And then hired totally unqualified people to 'teach' completely useless skills - I guess he really did want the label 'university' vindicated. That is why he did have to settle for tens of millions.
So no different than all other training seminars out there. You should see what people pay for as "training" in IT. It's laughably sad.
I don't think University should even be a protected appellation though. I find it as generic as College or School. Heck, Udemy's entire brand of shitty courses is basically University-Academy squashed into a single word.
Yeah, like I said, he was working hard to earn the 'university' title.
Is it?
If he lost the lawsuit, obviously it has some form of protection to where you can't call a beer pong trainer a "University". Probably some shit excuse of "reasonable expectations that an average person would hold" type standard.
He'd definitely be the first person to do that and call the results a 'University'. Definitely the only one.
On an unrelated note, I took a class where the last three weeks before the final involved the grad student instructor talking about Homestuck for the entire class.
Platnium plan was the worst garbage he proposed
Neocons, progressives, dems all hate him because he put America first and refused to worship the alter of communism
It produced what is essentially a placebo, with adverse effects.
Sure, it was a "massive success" at bypassing red tape, it just didn't produce anything worthwhile, meaning that now most people will point to it to justify the red tape.
So in essence, it's the opposite : it's an abject failure that resulted in right violations through vaccine passport and digital id implementation and produced no benefit to society because its product is both ineffective and unsafe and also set back the cause of bureaucratic reduction.
Look, this isn't a knock on Trump. He tried. The pharmas failed, yet again. They went for max profit and got signed off on immunity. Something he should have seen coming.
Pfizer and Moderna along with the deep state view it as a massive success. Why don't you? Just look at their profits!
that wasn't the purpose of warpspeed though, the purpose was again follow the principals of right to try. Trump wasnt even in office for the jab mandates... the vax mandates were fauci/biden
That's hardly a valid defense. I wanted to assemble a ceiling fan, instructions unclear, got dick stuck in light bulb socket.
The initial purpose is irrelevant. It's the result that counts when assigning failure or success. To claim success because "hey, our purpose was good" is not the argument you think it is.
No, now you're just rewriting history. The purpose of Operation Warp Speed was delivering a vaccine in record time by reducing the bureaucratic barriers.
It failed to deliver a vaccine. IE : it's an abject failure.
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions" is a saying that is as true as it is ancient. Some of the worst atrocities in human history started with someone thinking they were doing good.
No one has ever made an effective coronavirus vaccine in human history. Again youre running off the extraordinary demand that humans be god. Im not rewriting history you are, the simple fact is that no one would have given a fuck about the vaccine if biden and fauci didnt mandate it, it would have been an optional therapeutic that was already prepurchased and higher demanded globally. You are again blaming Trump because he sought to obtain what was sold to everyone as the cure for the covid and then turned out to be fraudulent. Did trump have anymore access to the data than anyone else at the time? the cognitive dissonance in you is frankly hilarious.
He's the president. I expect him to review the data a bit better before endorsing it for people to take under and experimental license. Instead he took credit and ran with it because he needed some more shoring up in the public eye.
You're carrying water for some guy that still hasn't addressed the mistake.
its hilarious how dumb you are, do you really think trump is a medical expert, had access to the same files as pfizer and the Fda, and was reading and interpreting the studies himself?
No but I expect him to have read them after 2 years.
have you?
You just disproved your entire premise that OWS was a success then. Guess we're done. I notice though you wrote more. sigh.
I made no such demand. Trump tried. From your own admission, it was never done before. Guess what : Trump didn't get it done either. He failed.
You're the only one here that seems to have this notion that Trump can't fail and thus you're lashing out at anyone saying he did, when the reality and facts are plain as day : he did fail.
"I know you are, but what am I" is really your hot take ?
Here, facts :
https://www.nihb.org/covid-19/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Fact-sheet-operation-warp-speed.pdf
That's their goal. Not some BS about "Right to try". They are clear their goal was delivering an effective vaccine. They didn't. It doesn't work.
Thus they cannot have succeeded. You claiming their purpose was something else contradicts the available information. So you are in fact rewriting history. We have the documents to prove it.
you do know that peter mccullough was legally allowed to treat covid therapeutically because of the right to try movement correct? if that bill didnt pass in 2018, covid would have been much darker.
That has nothing to do with Operation Warp Speed.
Like everyone is telling you, you're just moving around goalposts to claim success where no success was achieved.
Right to Try isn't Operation Warp Speed. Off label medication use isn't even new to "Right to try".
you do realize the right to try bill is part of a bigger movement that also pushed for off label use yes? and the right to try bill was cited in a court case of a covid patient being legally allowed to take ivermectin as it was considered a fatal case. You keep rushing to cry foul because a treatment didnt work as well as intended.
yes, we shouldnt attempt something in the face of a massive scale pandemic..... next should we not try to populate mars because it has never been successfully done?
You guys are both right, and at the same time, being really gay about it.
More attention should be paid to how Birx slid into Trump's C19 task force. It's important because Matt Mowers, the dude primarily responsible for recommending her, is still active, still pretending to be "a Republican," is a slimy turd of a man, and is running for Congress in New Hampshire. He's nobody's friend but the NWO.
I agree. Regardless, 2 years later, Trump needs to reassess the data and come out and say these vaccines are a failure.
He won't do that because it will damage the political boon he has saying he's responsible for their success.
Either way I'm not interested in supporting someone who is either ignorant of the data of this magnitude, or too self serving to address it as a mistake.
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No, this is perfectly fine.
I don't see any disinformation here.
I'm sorry, did you just call me defensive then immediately go defensive for being called out on the anti-trump circle jerk? Was it Trump who created the one-sided medical narrative? no, you again make the same childish argument because being captain hindsight is apparently the only thing you can do.
Deflection, Denial, Misrepresentation, Conjecture. You leftists bore me.
Odd you're using the verbiage and methodology of the world's most famous pedophile. youre not being assertive, youre being defensive, thats why every response youve made begins with deflection.
its funny, your first sentence completely discredits anything following it because it is conjecture.
Dude, your account is new. For all we know, you're the leftist here just trying to troll and create a flamewar on the forum.
Why don't you go try Operation Warp Speed Apologia on patriots.win if you don't like the "circle jerk" here ?
This whole post and account reeks. It's so weird and out of place. I like kia2 because people here seem to have a rational approach to the idiocy we see going on. We aren't perfect but these lame but Trump good and everyone is just circle jerking post is so weird. It belong on old td when users upvoted anything about Trump.
I mean, I agree with you, but at the same time, KiA2 is often filled with weird kneejerk outrage parties like we laugh at the left for having. "Oh no, black people on LotR! RAGE!". Like who cares, if it's shit, don't watch it.
This new account is weird and reeks, but no more than TheImpossible1 or acp_kwin2 or wtv his name is or the myriad of "It's (((THEY)))" people.
I have a problem with the overarching erasure of white people and our culture. I don't understand how you can hand wave away the trend of white erasure and anti white racism. Even to the point of blackifying Tolkiens work.
yes a flamewar for factually reiterating that no one had a clue what was going on when warpspeed started and you captain hindsight flamers are exactly that.
So now 2 years later is he still ignorant of what's going on or just pushing these vaccines to bolster his fading popularity? For Trump to go back on warp speed and the jabs now would be admitting it was a mistake and it was HIS mistake.
What people knew at the time is irrelevant. You want to assign success today. Today we know that Operation Warp Speed didn't deliver. Thus by any objective metric, it has not achieved success.
And the opposite of success is failure.
And I'm not saying you're starting a flamewar by denying reality like some Trans guy hoped up on hormones, I'm saying you're starting a flamewar because you're going around insulting everyone and calling them leftists for simply accepting reality : This ain't no vaccine, OWS failed.
prove this statement wrong then: The mRNA vaccine is the safest and highest efficacy coronavirus vaccine to date.
Immediate deflection again. My statement is verified, once again your position is that Trump somehow should have known better than what the majority of the medical community was telling him including every medical journal at the time. As someone who actually reads these journals for work, I do know what was sold, and it wasn't proven fraudulent until after the fact and the willingness for heroes like Peter McCullough to call out the narrative despite it tanking their career. Unless you have posts from 2019 calling out fraudulent medical studies on Covid I would recommend not damning others before yourself.
yes and no, the truth of the matter is the medical community will always follow the funding. This has not stopped people like Peter McCullough and other doctors from continuing to practice despite the medical boards going after their licenses. Find a doctor you agree with or can be reasoned with, its difficult but not impossible usually.
Dude stfu. He brought up some good points. Trump was wrong. The vaccines are dangerous and unsafe. He needs to admit that. He's responsible for a lot of the continued shenanigans because he refuses to address the data that shows these shots are bullshit at best.
You are embracing the leftist idea of vote blue no matter who. Vote Trump no matter what because you have a cult worship mentality to a NYC real estate broker Democrat.
heres a fact for you princess, the mRNA coronavirus vaccines are they most effective coronavirus vaccines ever made, it just doesnt mean they are viable or should be used.
Yes, the former president with no executive power, who did not do the vax mandates, is responsible for the democrats actions and big pharma colluding with the letter agencies to commit fraud. really rational...
this is hilarious considering the circle jerking youre doing
Most effective at causing strokes.
True, but that is not what is being argued, the majority of the trump hatred is misplaced because he was blamed for the democrats mandates when all he did was try to fund a fast cure to help, this was also not his fault that our own medical institutions sided with china over facts, yet the circlejerk here is because the vaccines were mandated and werent what was promised it was somehow trumps fault when he wasnt in office.
can you start a sentence without immediate deflection? Im just curious
You're both holding tennis rackets, but only one of you is complaining about the game you're playing.
And doing so with thought-terminating false dichotomies. "An established regular commenter criticizes Trump's handling of the vaxx, must be a leftist shill!"
Ya this dude is weird. It reads like some boomer tier MSM plugged in Trump fan fiction.
Ya or just forum sliders. Idk it just feels inorganic
man, the circle jerk is strong
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Hi ad hominem, care to debate anything I said or would you like to continue to bully and harass people simply for stating the reality of what happened?
Lol. Gtfo liar. Trump isn't going to win and he sold out his own voters. He was too busy sending money to Israel and pardoning Gucci lame rappers.
Glug glug glug keep sucking cheneys and bidens sack
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Says the democrst with TDS
What a completely unconvincing argument. The vaccine literally doesn't fucking work.
For it to be a "success" it should probably be capable of achieving the objective it was designed for?
Very well said. There was nothing wrong with Operation Warpspeed or what Trump did at the beginning of the pandemic.
Without Trump, Fauci would STILL have the country locked down TODAY. Trump ensured the whole country being locked down was a very short time, and that it couldn't happen again after opening back up.
Nice. Though it should be 'tranno'.
Also quite a good post. Lotsa people here are pretty crazy angry about Trump doing it because they don't like the fact that vaccines were later on made mandatory by other people. Apparently not realizing what without the vaccines, we would probably still be living under restrictions.
Lol thank God for death jab vaccines because the government that forces then would have forced us to stay home longer.
Are you serious? The illnesses from these jabs isn't an issue? The total demoralization of the people towards the medical community? And Trump wants to stand up there and say to his voters to go get vaccinated. What a joke.
Please show me where I said "isn't an issue". You can take it or not take it, that's up to you. The good thing about it is that people who are at high risk can take it and so mitigate their risk.
That's a plus. We now know how corrupt these people are, which many did not know before.
You need to look at the latest data. You're more likely to be sick, hospitalized, or dead if you're vaxxed. That's data out of multiple countries at this point.
That should not be surprising at all, given the fact that natural immunity is superior, that except in China a greater proportion of those more at risk are those who are vaccinated, and the poor record of the vaccine against the current variant.
This in no way demonstrates that the vaccine was useless from the beginning, or even now (though its usefulness certainly has diminished).
Yes it does. People that get the Vax are sicker and always were. It proves its useless at best.
You didn't even address a thing. It's just pure emotion. Nor did you in any way substantiate how people who did take the vaccine "always were" sicker.
We can look at rates of infection, death, hospitalization for covid alone based on vax status and prove what I'm saying right. That's before even adding up the myocarditis, strokes, clots, neuro disease, cancers, etc which have all peaked substantially in the vaccinated population.
Look at the dod records. Look at the NHS data. Look at the data from new Zealand.
I definitely believe you that you work in the medical field because only a doctor could be such a big pharma shill and say OWS was a success.
How the fuck was Operation Warpspeed a success?
It produced a shit "vaccine" that doesn't prevent infection or transmission and with numerous adverse side effects sometimes even resulting in death.
Trump failed massively by expediting these experimental vaccines and he has the gall to brag about.
Trump is a fucking retard for still bragging about it at rallies when his own supporters are the ones being fired from their jobs for not taking this shit vaccine.
Trump has proven he has learned nothing from his mistakes and doesn't deserve to be the nominee in 2024.
Take your mouth off Trump's dick for a minute and stop defending him selling us all out to big pharma.
Take your Trump cult nonsense to patriots.win
I am ashamed to see such a pathetic post like this defending the indefensible here.
Could be wrong, but I feel that this might be the greatest troll job in the history of this forum.
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oh its you, tell me when did you develop TDS?
Criticizing a man I voted for twice on valid grounds is not TDS.
You are a leftist faggot who thinks the vaccine is safe and effective.
Go choke on Trump's dick.
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Quit having double standards you lying cunt
so it was when biden won you developed tds. got it.
Voted for Trump. (Really a vote against Hillary, but still) I'm allowed to criticize him without being 'anti-Trump.'
Nobody thought Trump was an expert, we thought the experts were lying.
The vaccines were untested, and couldn't be tested-- that's what Warp Speed was. Given the track record of all coronavirus vaccines "not obviously a disaster" is a "good" outcome, but it's far from the norm for vaccines. Novel Coronavirus is here to stay, and the vaccine is at best ineffective, with both known and unknown side effects, with no active studies using unvaxxed control groups to determine how bad it really is. We get to criticize Trump for not acknowledging that and touting this result as a success. When he says "Get vaccinated!" we can still respond "Get fucked!"
Trump could have actively opposed lockdowns instead of initiating Warp Speed; ultimately, he was correct: Federalism was the only policy answer that Trump had, since Blue states were already openly disobeying him prior to the 2020 election. Warp speed accelerated the failure of the medical institutions, but I don't see how failing fast becomes a success.
Correct. And this is your only real point. Right to Try was good.
Now imagine if the lives we'd have saved if we spent the money invested in warp speed on the McCollough treatment instead. (And not used the ventilator-to-graveyard pipeline.)
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He's not saying he's literally someone else, just claiming a name.