In case there's confusion (and people aren't reading the story), the negotiations aren't between Russia and Ukraine, it's Russia and the EU. They aren't out in the open, like previous 'Peace Talks', they are behind the scenes like at previous negotiations.
This story is about the EU cutting back on their sanctions of Russian banks. This is after Russia shut down the Nordstream 1 pipeline and said maybe they will reopen it soon. The Russians are drawing concessions before they stop this fighting. Ukraine has no say in it whatsoever, just like Chechnya.
Also didn't you guys spend sperging about how its actually America, and/or NATO?
The European Union will amend its sanctions on Moscow on Wednesday by allowing the unfreezing of some funds of top Russian banks that may be required to ease bottlenecks in the global trade of food and fertilisers, a draft document showed.
The move comes amid criticism from African leaders about the negative impact of the sanctions on the trade, which may have exacerbated shortages chiefly caused by Russia's invasion of Ukraine and its blockading of ports in the Black Sea.
Turns out the "actual combatant" were the hungry Africans.
Maybe at least read your own article, because it's about averting the mass famine in Africa.
And the looming catastrophe in Africa would result in untold millions of actual refugees desperately fleeing the starvation to Europe, for one. Among so many other ripple effects. Africa is where we mine stuff, where we sail commerce from Asia (already dodging skinny Somali pirates, and with Egypt in chaos even the Suez would be blocked with actual military weapons), and so forth. Everything would be disrupted in disastrous ways. Besides they would also eat all these endangered animals from the reserves, and so on. The Islamic State taking over entire countries. Just so many different things. A continental apocalypse and global peril too.
Figured the Ukraine would have given up by now, but apparently they still enjoy the meat grinder. That said it has been interesting watching the Russians display the new land warfare doctrine of the 21st century.
The other interesting consideration is whether Zelenzkys leash holders are demanding he try for terms or if he's acting of his own accord. From the past year it's fairly apparent that the proverbial they absolutely own his ass, so one would assume that he's still on their strings.
If so, then one wonders what new nonsense they'll move on to after this.
Zelinsky is being paid to continue a war that can kill his political enemies and secure his base of power.
No shit, the war continued.
This is like when the UN initiated "Cease Fires" during the Arab-Israeli Wars. If they hadn't done that, the Arabs would have been fucking wiped out, so international forces got together to prolong the conflict in the interests of the Arabs, and in their own interests of perpetuating the conflict for strategic and economic reasons.
Kill? Both Azov (the entire movement tens of thousands members and supporters) and RS only got strengthened since February. Vastly so. Azov now have a brigade and actual popular following as heroes everywhere and not just Mariupol. RS finally got the regular status for their militias and weapons from the government, and also have more members and supporters than ever.
There's also a general radicalization of the society. Massive shift right, and far right especially. While far left parties of all sorts being outright banned, delegalized.
Heres one article in some basic plain terms that should be easy for Westerners to understand:
In this, the current war has surely come as a blessed relief for Azov. Biletsky’s attempt to found a political party — the National Corps — met with almost zero success, with even a united bloc of Ukraine’s far- and extreme Right-wing parties failing to clear the very low hurdle for parliamentary representation in the last election: Ukrainian voters simply do not want what they are selling, and reject their worldview. Yet in time of war, Azov and similar groups come to the forefront, with the Russian invasion seemingly reversing the downward spiral that set in for them following Avakov’s resignation due to international pressure. Judging by their social media, Azov’s armed units are expanding: they’re forming new battalions in Kharkiv and Dnipro, a new special forces unit in Kyiv (where Biletsky is organising at least some aspects of the capital’s defence) and local defence militias in western cities such as Ivano-Frankivsk.
Like Ukraine’s other extreme Right-wing militias, Azov are dogged, disciplined and committed fighters, which is why the weak Ukrainian state has found itself forced to rely upon their muscle during its hours of greatest need: during the Maidan revolution, during the war against separatists from 2014 onwards, and now to fend off the Russian invasion. There has been a certain new-found reticence abroad to speak frankly about their role, no doubt for fear that doing so will provide ammunition for Russian propaganda. This fear is surely misplaced: after all, groups such as Azov are only prominent precisely because of Russia’s meddling in Ukraine. Instead of de-Nazifying the country, Russian aggression has helped solidify the role and presence of extreme Right-wing factions in Ukraine’s military, reinvigorating a waning political force rejected by the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians.
If anything, the primary threat posed by groups such as Azov is not to the Russian state — Russia happily supports extreme Right-wing elements in its Wagner mercenary group and in the separatist republics, after all — nor to Western nations whose disaffected citizens may find themselves drawn to a combat role alongside them. Instead, the threat is to the future stability of the Ukrainian state itself, as Amnesty and Human Rights Watch have long warned. While they may be useful now, in the event of the decapitation or evacuation of Ukraine’s liberal government from Kyiv, perhaps to Poland or Lviv, or more likely, in the event of Zelenskyy being forced by events to sign a peace deal surrendering Ukrainian territory, groups like Azov may find a golden opportunity to challenge what remains of the state and consolidate their own power bases, even if only locally.
Back in 2019, I asked Semenyaka if Azov still saw itself as a revolutionary movement. Thinking carefully, she replied, “We are ready for different scenarios. If Zelenskyy is even worse than [ex-president] Poroshenko, if he is the same kind of populist, but without certain skills, connections and background, then, of course, Ukrainians would be heavily in danger. And we have already developed a plan of what can be done, how we can develop parallel state structures, how we can customise these entry strategies to save the Ukrainian state, if [Zelenskyy] would become a puppet of the Kremlin, for instance. Because it’s quite possible.”
Senior Azov figures have been explicit, over the course of years, in stating that Ukraine has unique potential as a springboard for the “reconquest” of Europe from liberals, homosexuals and immigrants. While their broader contintental ambitions may have a very doubtful chance of success, a broken, impoverished and angry postwar Ukraine, or worse, a Ukraine suffering years of bombardment and occupation with large areas outside central government control, would surely be a fertile breeding ground for a form of extreme Right-wing militancy not seen in Europe for many decades.
While they may be useful now, in the event of the decapitation or evacuation of Ukraine’s liberal government from Kyiv, perhaps to Poland or Lviv, or more likely, in the event of Zelenskyy being forced by events to sign a peace deal surrendering Ukrainian territory, groups like Azov may find a golden opportunity to challenge what remains of the state and consolidate their own power bases, even if only locally.
That's the exact sort of destabilizing effect I've had in mind when I talked about the contradictory nature of an alliance between nationalists and the GAE. It could definitely blow up in the GAE's face. Oh no, how sad.
Senior Azov figures have been explicit, over the course of years, in stating that Ukraine has unique potential as a springboard for the “reconquest” of Europe from liberals, homosexuals and immigrants.
America doesn't have anything to do with Ukrainian politics.
This awkwardly close relationship between a liberal-democratic state supported by the West and armed proponents of a very different ideology has caused some discomfort in the past for Ukraine’s Western backers. The US Congress has gone back and forth in recent years on whether Azov should be blocked from receiving American arms shipments, with Democrat lawmakers even urging in 2019 that Azov be listed as a global terrorist organisation.
On that:
On Wednesday, New York Rep. Max Rose, who chairs the counterterrorism subcommittee, submitted a letter to the State Department, co-signed by 39 members of Congress. It urged the department to designate Azov Battalion (a far-right paramilitary regiment in Ukraine), National Action (a neo-Nazi group based in the U.K.), and Nordic Resistance Movement (a neo-Nazi network from Scandinavia) as terrorist organizations.
He called it a battalion repeatedly. Ironically didn't even mention the civilian movement.
James Mason (the Siege/Atomwaffen granpa, he looked just like Goebbels when he was young and in the American Nazi Party editing their newsletter) is a huge fan of Azov.
It's not a battalion, it was one only from June to September 2014.
Since March 2022 it also expanded from a regiment to a brigade, but this happened only due to the newfound situation. A special situation like them special military operations
They were always promoted by Avakov. Zelensky finally forced him out in 2021.
How much do you know about Ukraianin politics? Anything at all?
Figured the Ukraine would have given up by now, but apparently they still enjoy the meat grinder.
Apart from the Azov types, the people doing the fighting aren't the ones who will lose out if Ukraine surrenders. Russia can't just hang the revolutionaries and re-install the democratically elected president they ousted eight years ago, but if they did that would be a problem for the revolutionaries, not the majority who voted for the other guy.
Well fortunately for the long term stability of that whole area, word has it that the paradoxical unit of Jewish neo Nazis are mostly dead or captured at this point.
Azov (the unit) has more members than ever, and is now a brigade of several battalions.
The Azov civilian (paramilitary) movement has tens of thousands of members.
Which is not new, because they did have tens of thousands of members (over 20,000) even before the invasion, but now they're just swelled with the new ones. And in the early days of panic massive numbers of normally apolitical civilians came to be basic trained by them (and by their RS rivals too) and got politically indoctrinated into "Social Nationalism" along the way.
They absorbed the Azov's Freikorps militias into regular units while at it. Did the same to much of the RS Volunteer Corps too.
What "the coup"? If you mean the ones who actively participated in the revolution, it was hundreds of thousands just in a single rally (December 1).
And of those who dit it as part of the Social National Assembly and/or Patriot of Ukraine, they overwhelmingly didn't even serve in the unit until returning upon the expansion. Didn't I tell you they have tens of thousands of members (National Corps and associates)? And only a portion of them are even in the brigade now.
Of course normal people will lose. Their homes are occupied, their families are displaced or even deported to Russia.
Yanukovych has 0.0% public support even in the Peoples Republics. Don't forget how he abandoned even his own hardcore supporters when he suddenly vanished, secretly fleeing the country entirely in the middle of night with stolen money, never leaving his refuge somewhere in Moscow to this very day. Now he is hated in Ukraine more than Putin, because just everyone hates him. The man who unites everybody over all divisions. Everyone would shoot him on the spot immediately, and everyone else would celebrate it. The only ones in the country who don't hate him are Russian regulars, who just don't care.
On the whole no, this was an attempt to destabilize Russia, one of the major leaders of not globalism.
On the ground, it has been a very interesting thing to observe the first genuine land war of the last few decades. The Russians having essentially adopted a creeping defense in depth is absolutely fascinating. Even with the Ukraine using boatloads of our tech they really don't have any chance here, and that's another very interesting thing to watch. Guarantee the paper generals of the left aren't happy about it.
If you had any right to participate in this discussion, you'd have recognized the term immediately. Instead, when called out on your ignorance, you don't even pivot. You just repeat yourself.
Even jester is better at arguing than you. Just embarrassing.
Sever should have never even been reinforced and defended, just evacuated right away, when there were still bridges (blow them up behind them). It was a way too risky gambit, they could've been surrounded totally. But they did really well and withdrew across the river.
We both know you have never even heard about this "vital point" (a random industrial town sandwiched between enemy territory and river) before they decided to make a stand there. If you really believed anyone who told it eas any "vital point", you're just stupid. Hey, you are stupid.
Coping with T-72 cope cages, coping with running away from Kiev and their miles long lines of tanks that got bogged down, coping when they ran from Kharkiv, coping when they lost the Moskva, coping when they lost Snake Island, coping when they lost dozens of units trying to cross a river, coping when they send T-62 tanks because they are running out of the more modern T-72 remakes, coping when they use more dumb bombs and rockets because they ran out of smart munitions, coping when one lies about Ukranian super-soldiers, coping when one uses naval missiles to hit civilian structures, coping when one lies that a Ukrainian HIMARS hit a russian weapon storage by saying it was humanitarian aid with food while the explosion mushroomed(no rocket can do that, only if it hits ammo storage), coping when they have had to relocate ammo offloading further south requiring more trucks to transport them to the front line, coping when Russia with the "superior" numbers and army can barely move west, coping when they send conscripts with the idea it was an exercise, coping when they surrender or flee leaving equipment behind, coping when they send generals to rally the troops but they end up getting killed?
These people are why america can never win a real war again. Apparently losing a single tank in a tank charge means you give the whole thing up and retreat.
Don't worry, we will see them as soon as the Russian soldiers send back a good fridge they looted from some house. It needs to pay for the armata repair from that time it broke down in the may 9th parade.
Oh I'll freely admit I underestimated the willingness with which that coward Zelenzky has sacrificed his forces to try and delay the inevitable.
I ought to have known better than to assume a cross dressing Jewish tv comedian would be able to act humanely and surrender when faced with obvious defeat. It's quite apparent that his master's demanded further bloodshed.
Human wave tactics was nothing new even then. The scale and callousness with which the Soviets did so was practically medieval, especially for the time, but that was the reality of total war.
That's right, isolated mechanized columns being picked up and destroyed by light infantry was truly a novelty. But seriously actually this also happened in the Winter War, famously so (the Raate Road is a symbol of the war).
I can perhaps concede about "paratroopers doing a crossover between Crete and Dien Bien Phu but with helicopters", it's true nothing like that happened in the 21st elsewhere.
I liked the Mad Max armor from wooden logs and various crap on their trucks and APCs. Actually futuristic, in a way, the postapo aesthetics. (Stacking the ERA on the sides of BMPs was also innovative, and very eccentric as it's a cartoonish self-destruction contraption.)
DNR conscripts with the Mosin Nagants and WWII helmets and OMON with riot gear and riot trucks sent as a spearhead completed the whole package.
I'm guessing a large chunk of the eastern und southern provinces will go to Russia (either quasi independent or straight up part of Russia) because Ukraine won't agree to anything until it's too late.
Zelensky just purged all those who disagree with his "strategy" to fight till the last Ukrainian. At this point his only goals seems to be to get as many goys killed as possible.
No, he purged the SBU and the police because of their failures and straight up treason (up to and including defections).
Also including feeding him false info about Russia "not going to invade actually" and so all the American warnings were totally ignored and publicly denied (the winredditors over here at the time even made threads about Ukrainian idiotic denials of the clearly upcoming invasion, also convinced the Americans just make things up).
Only the Luhansk Oblast is occupied entirely. Most advances there were made in the first few days when it was a blitzkrieg, since they were advancing only on selected small sections of the front and almost never even 1 km a day since the frontlines stabilized in March.
In the Donetsk Oblast in almost half year the Russians failed to even take Avdiivka literally just west to Donetsk city. It was one of the very first places that came under attack, and it's where the frontline froze back in 2015 (after the fall of Donetsk Airport). So they practically didn't take it in almost a decade.
The attempt to take or even besiege Kharkiv (the most important part of Donbass and also the second biggest city in all Ukraine) failed and was pushed back towards the border beyond normal artillery range. They're still hitting the city but with tactical and cruise missiles. But they try make a new Kharkiv offensive (https://www.dw.com/en/russia-ukraine-updates-moscow-may-seek-to-retake-kharkiv/a-62500892).
And in the South it is Ukrainians who are pushing east, and it's not a new development at all. But they're taking back just small places, one by one, but it's never international news. Even before they launched the counteroffensive there the key point of the Kherson Airbase was always in their regular artillery range, which led to much hilarity as they hit it again and again for a long time while Russians kept restocking it each time (the definition of insanity).
Overall it looks a lot like the early Iran-Iraq and the Russians are Iraqis. (Yes, I wish Ukraine had the F-14s. Instead of the poor birds being fucking shredded.)
Theres no way Ukraine will ever agree for it, not after the ceasefire agreements from the 2010s that were violated in such a manner they were. They know Russia will try again in few years if is not defeated entirely now.
But they will need Western aircraft and armored vehicles for the offensive. Croatia 1995 style but with no pause. The problem is they should've been allowed to start training in the F-16s etc already on the first day in February, not just only now. The HIMARS and so and also should've been delivered asap. The West genuinely expected them to fall, like Afghanistan did, and when they didn't they waited to see if they will actually fight, then waited and waited more. Might also actually explain the sanctions, they might have thought the whole affair would only last few days. Now everyone are in for a long war.
Not the G*rmans but they were always pathological Russophiles. The French too, for all the theatrical posturing by Macron and even Le Pen, but nowhere to this degree as the fucking Germs.
In case there's confusion (and people aren't reading the story), the negotiations aren't between Russia and Ukraine, it's Russia and the EU. They aren't out in the open, like previous 'Peace Talks', they are behind the scenes like at previous negotiations.
This story is about the EU cutting back on their sanctions of Russian banks. This is after Russia shut down the Nordstream 1 pipeline and said maybe they will reopen it soon. The Russians are drawing concessions before they stop this fighting. Ukraine has no say in it whatsoever, just like Chechnya.
But the EU isn't "actual combatant".
Also didn't you guys spend sperging about how its actually America, and/or NATO?
Turns out the "actual combatant" were the hungry Africans.
Maybe at least read your own article, because it's about averting the mass famine in Africa.
LMAO. You actually buy that bullshit? That's as genuine as the Russians caring about ethnic Russians in Ukraine.
That's what it is about. Nothing else.
And the looming catastrophe in Africa would result in untold millions of actual refugees desperately fleeing the starvation to Europe, for one. Among so many other ripple effects. Africa is where we mine stuff, where we sail commerce from Asia (already dodging skinny Somali pirates, and with Egypt in chaos even the Suez would be blocked with actual military weapons), and so forth. Everything would be disrupted in disastrous ways. Besides they would also eat all these endangered animals from the reserves, and so on. The Islamic State taking over entire countries. Just so many different things. A continental apocalypse and global peril too.
Figured the Ukraine would have given up by now, but apparently they still enjoy the meat grinder. That said it has been interesting watching the Russians display the new land warfare doctrine of the 21st century.
The other interesting consideration is whether Zelenzkys leash holders are demanding he try for terms or if he's acting of his own accord. From the past year it's fairly apparent that the proverbial they absolutely own his ass, so one would assume that he's still on their strings.
If so, then one wonders what new nonsense they'll move on to after this.
Zelinsky is being paid to continue a war that can kill his political enemies and secure his base of power.
No shit, the war continued.
This is like when the UN initiated "Cease Fires" during the Arab-Israeli Wars. If they hadn't done that, the Arabs would have been fucking wiped out, so international forces got together to prolong the conflict in the interests of the Arabs, and in their own interests of perpetuating the conflict for strategic and economic reasons.
Kill? Both Azov (the entire movement tens of thousands members and supporters) and RS only got strengthened since February. Vastly so. Azov now have a brigade and actual popular following as heroes everywhere and not just Mariupol. RS finally got the regular status for their militias and weapons from the government, and also have more members and supporters than ever.
There's also a general radicalization of the society. Massive shift right, and far right especially. While far left parties of all sorts being outright banned, delegalized.
I don't see how the Azov battalion's support is relevant. They are not Zelinsky's immediate enemies.
Heres one article in some basic plain terms that should be easy for Westerners to understand:
https://unherd.com/2022/06/the-truth-about-ukraines-nazi-militias/
That's the exact sort of destabilizing effect I've had in mind when I talked about the contradictory nature of an alliance between nationalists and the GAE. It could definitely blow up in the GAE's face. Oh no, how sad.
Based
America doesn't have anything to do with Ukrainian politics.
On that:
He called it a battalion repeatedly. Ironically didn't even mention the civilian movement.
James Mason (the Siege/Atomwaffen granpa, he looked just like Goebbels when he was young and in the American Nazi Party editing their newsletter) is a huge fan of Azov.
https://www.dailyveracity.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Screen-Shot-2022-06-30-at-6.35.06-PM-1024x594.png
That's more of the American connection, even if pretty one sided.
It's not a battalion, it was one only from June to September 2014.
Since March 2022 it also expanded from a regiment to a brigade, but this happened only due to the newfound situation. A special situation like them special military operations
They were always promoted by Avakov. Zelensky finally forced him out in 2021.
How much do you know about Ukraianin politics? Anything at all?
Introduction to Avakov, from 2020: https://carnegiemoscow.org/commentary/81054
Apart from the Azov types, the people doing the fighting aren't the ones who will lose out if Ukraine surrenders. Russia can't just hang the revolutionaries and re-install the democratically elected president they ousted eight years ago, but if they did that would be a problem for the revolutionaries, not the majority who voted for the other guy.
Well fortunately for the long term stability of that whole area, word has it that the paradoxical unit of Jewish neo Nazis are mostly dead or captured at this point.
Azov (the unit) has more members than ever, and is now a brigade of several battalions.
The Azov civilian (paramilitary) movement has tens of thousands of members.
Which is not new, because they did have tens of thousands of members (over 20,000) even before the invasion, but now they're just swelled with the new ones. And in the early days of panic massive numbers of normally apolitical civilians came to be basic trained by them (and by their RS rivals too) and got politically indoctrinated into "Social Nationalism" along the way.
They absorbed the Azov's Freikorps militias into regular units while at it. Did the same to much of the RS Volunteer Corps too.
Reconstituting a destroyed unit is a simple matter of paperwork. The guys who conducted the coup are nearly all dead, and good riddance.
What "the coup"? If you mean the ones who actively participated in the revolution, it was hundreds of thousands just in a single rally (December 1).
And of those who dit it as part of the Social National Assembly and/or Patriot of Ukraine, they overwhelmingly didn't even serve in the unit until returning upon the expansion. Didn't I tell you they have tens of thousands of members (National Corps and associates)? And only a portion of them are even in the brigade now.
They're not a joke like the American far right groups. https://youtu.be/ZMf5z7wnZIA
Ukraine has received tens of billions from the US to keep it going. Imagine how much Zelensky and his cronies are filling their Swiss accounts.
It looks like the rest of the world can't stand much more of our proxy war.
Dude demanded 750 billion more. He wants all he can get
Of course normal people will lose. Their homes are occupied, their families are displaced or even deported to Russia.
Yanukovych has 0.0% public support even in the Peoples Republics. Don't forget how he abandoned even his own hardcore supporters when he suddenly vanished, secretly fleeing the country entirely in the middle of night with stolen money, never leaving his refuge somewhere in Moscow to this very day. Now he is hated in Ukraine more than Putin, because just everyone hates him. The man who unites everybody over all divisions. Everyone would shoot him on the spot immediately, and everyone else would celebrate it. The only ones in the country who don't hate him are Russian regulars, who just don't care.
Ukraine is not fighting, they are delaying. This was never about Ukraine.
On the whole no, this was an attempt to destabilize Russia, one of the major leaders of not globalism.
On the ground, it has been a very interesting thing to observe the first genuine land war of the last few decades. The Russians having essentially adopted a creeping defense in depth is absolutely fascinating. Even with the Ukraine using boatloads of our tech they really don't have any chance here, and that's another very interesting thing to watch. Guarantee the paper generals of the left aren't happy about it.
What the fuck is "creeping defense" lmao
You just made it up right now.
They're the ones who are supposed to be on attacking not defending. Good lord you're so retarded.
Further ignorance on your part. Not only of the situation at hand, but of the well known concept of defense in depth.
There's no concept of "creeping defense in depth", you retard.
Literally no one ever used such phrase (not in the "defence" variant too), you just made it up completely.
It's not even like if you listen to some retards and believe them, you are the retard who's pulling shit out of your own "depth".
If you had any right to participate in this discussion, you'd have recognized the term immediately. Instead, when called out on your ignorance, you don't even pivot. You just repeat yourself.
Even jester is better at arguing than you. Just embarrassing.
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22creeping+defense+in+depth%22&
Fucking retard.
Why did Putin attempt to destabilize Russia?
They've delayed back near half of the lost territory already.
https://images.english.elpais.com/resizer/yh5b5J6IEnimoZXvQS6CLmTZ2nk=/1960x1470/cloudfront-eu-central-1.images.arcpublishing.com/prisa/XFPCNDWHXJDLDGWXAZ52VQELUU.PNG
The first 2 days were a catastrophe, yes.
lol
@supremereader, You will have fun with this one!
Do tell. I'd love to hear more cope. Perhaps it's how Severodonetsk wasn't really a vital holding point after all?
Sever should have never even been reinforced and defended, just evacuated right away, when there were still bridges (blow them up behind them). It was a way too risky gambit, they could've been surrounded totally. But they did really well and withdrew across the river.
We both know you have never even heard about this "vital point" (a random industrial town sandwiched between enemy territory and river) before they decided to make a stand there. If you really believed anyone who told it eas any "vital point", you're just stupid. Hey, you are stupid.
Coping with T-72 cope cages, coping with running away from Kiev and their miles long lines of tanks that got bogged down, coping when they ran from Kharkiv, coping when they lost the Moskva, coping when they lost Snake Island, coping when they lost dozens of units trying to cross a river, coping when they send T-62 tanks because they are running out of the more modern T-72 remakes, coping when they use more dumb bombs and rockets because they ran out of smart munitions, coping when one lies about Ukranian super-soldiers, coping when one uses naval missiles to hit civilian structures, coping when one lies that a Ukrainian HIMARS hit a russian weapon storage by saying it was humanitarian aid with food while the explosion mushroomed(no rocket can do that, only if it hits ammo storage), coping when they have had to relocate ammo offloading further south requiring more trucks to transport them to the front line, coping when Russia with the "superior" numbers and army can barely move west, coping when they send conscripts with the idea it was an exercise, coping when they surrender or flee leaving equipment behind, coping when they send generals to rally the troops but they end up getting killed?
Ah gish gallops. Utterly devoid of real meaning.
TL:DR
These people are why america can never win a real war again. Apparently losing a single tank in a tank charge means you give the whole thing up and retreat.
Fucking pussies.
Hey, at least they'll be easy to beat in a civil war.
Comment Removed: Rule 2 - Violent Speech
Comment Approved: No, not really.
Indeed. Especially if you use Russian war doctrine. It will be easy.
Are you retarded?
Ok dude
Cope harder. Especially because of your claims.
Aww, you aren't going to spew more word salad, run on sentences at me?
Run on sentences? Dude forgot to put spaces in. We're at run on words.
People simping for Ukraine or Russia is just weird. People denying the actual reality of the situation and swallowing the media narrative is just sad.
You'd think there'd be fewer in a community that started after discovering how often the media lies about everything from video games to war.
Not my problem if you are wrong.
It was an amazing display indeed. Still waiting for the "real Russian forces" to arrive, all these Armatas and Sotniks and oh my.
Any day now!
Don't worry, we will see them as soon as the Russian soldiers send back a good fridge they looted from some house. It needs to pay for the armata repair from that time it broke down in the may 9th parade.
#RealRussianForces had a lot of believers:
https://twitter.com/NOT2FAST/status/1498047285652979714
https://twitter.com/Fueledbyair/status/1498398930886873091
https://twitter.com/HatT0r/status/1499386034542546944
https://twitter.com/PaulRoustan/status/1497879321444118528
https://twitter.com/afinlarc/status/1497697112410050562
Many such cases, sad.
https://twitter.com/medvdv/status/1043808104750731264
#RealRussianForces will become the next "No True Scotsman Fallacy"
Also I think I made a collection of comments by the winredditors. Such as this by u/Kaarous
https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/142BJfkaTU/x/c/4OVxMmxRYms
Oh I'll freely admit I underestimated the willingness with which that coward Zelenzky has sacrificed his forces to try and delay the inevitable.
I ought to have known better than to assume a cross dressing Jewish tv comedian would be able to act humanely and surrender when faced with obvious defeat. It's quite apparent that his master's demanded further bloodshed.
The first saved winreddit post, congratulations!
See you again after they won.
hahahahaha that is hilarious! And he is trying to cope with it, seething. He needs to dilate though.
It's pretty clear you don't know what any of those terms actually mean, especially dilate.
Go dilate.
It was almost as good as "the new land warfare doctrine of the 20th century" they displayed in the Winter War.
Human wave tactics was nothing new even then. The scale and callousness with which the Soviets did so was practically medieval, especially for the time, but that was the reality of total war.
Noticeably that is not the case here.
That's right, isolated mechanized columns being picked up and destroyed by light infantry was truly a novelty. But seriously actually this also happened in the Winter War, famously so (the Raate Road is a symbol of the war).
I can perhaps concede about "paratroopers doing a crossover between Crete and Dien Bien Phu but with helicopters", it's true nothing like that happened in the 21st elsewhere.
I liked the Mad Max armor from wooden logs and various crap on their trucks and APCs. Actually futuristic, in a way, the postapo aesthetics. (Stacking the ERA on the sides of BMPs was also innovative, and very eccentric as it's a cartoonish self-destruction contraption.)
DNR conscripts with the Mosin Nagants and WWII helmets and OMON with riot gear and riot trucks sent as a spearhead completed the whole package.
War, war never changes, and neither the Russian war doctrine.
Good, the sooner the war ends, the better both countries will be.
The fighting will continue gorilla style for decades, like in Chechnya.
It's "guerrilla" lmao
It's a Spanish word.
No, I mean they will throw shit and beat their chests.
Place your bets: only independence for the Donbas republics, annexation of Novarussia, Ukraine forced all the back to Galicia, or something else?
I'm guessing a large chunk of the eastern und southern provinces will go to Russia (either quasi independent or straight up part of Russia) because Ukraine won't agree to anything until it's too late.
Zelensky just purged all those who disagree with his "strategy" to fight till the last Ukrainian. At this point his only goals seems to be to get as many goys killed as possible.
No, he purged the SBU and the police because of their failures and straight up treason (up to and including defections).
Also including feeding him false info about Russia "not going to invade actually" and so all the American warnings were totally ignored and publicly denied (the winredditors over here at the time even made threads about Ukrainian idiotic denials of the clearly upcoming invasion, also convinced the Americans just make things up).
Ukraine is about to lose their southern provinces. The eastern are already gone.
Only the Luhansk Oblast is occupied entirely. Most advances there were made in the first few days when it was a blitzkrieg, since they were advancing only on selected small sections of the front and almost never even 1 km a day since the frontlines stabilized in March.
In the Donetsk Oblast in almost half year the Russians failed to even take Avdiivka literally just west to Donetsk city. It was one of the very first places that came under attack, and it's where the frontline froze back in 2015 (after the fall of Donetsk Airport). So they practically didn't take it in almost a decade.
The attempt to take or even besiege Kharkiv (the most important part of Donbass and also the second biggest city in all Ukraine) failed and was pushed back towards the border beyond normal artillery range. They're still hitting the city but with tactical and cruise missiles. But they try make a new Kharkiv offensive (https://www.dw.com/en/russia-ukraine-updates-moscow-may-seek-to-retake-kharkiv/a-62500892).
And in the South it is Ukrainians who are pushing east, and it's not a new development at all. But they're taking back just small places, one by one, but it's never international news. Even before they launched the counteroffensive there the key point of the Kherson Airbase was always in their regular artillery range, which led to much hilarity as they hit it again and again for a long time while Russians kept restocking it each time (the definition of insanity).
Overall it looks a lot like the early Iran-Iraq and the Russians are Iraqis. (Yes, I wish Ukraine had the F-14s. Instead of the poor birds being fucking shredded.)
Ukraine keeps what it has, but there's a DMZ between it and the Russian Vassal states (which are not annexed officially)
Theres no way Ukraine will ever agree for it, not after the ceasefire agreements from the 2010s that were violated in such a manner they were. They know Russia will try again in few years if is not defeated entirely now.
But they will need Western aircraft and armored vehicles for the offensive. Croatia 1995 style but with no pause. The problem is they should've been allowed to start training in the F-16s etc already on the first day in February, not just only now. The HIMARS and so and also should've been delivered asap. The West genuinely expected them to fall, like Afghanistan did, and when they didn't they waited to see if they will actually fight, then waited and waited more. Might also actually explain the sanctions, they might have thought the whole affair would only last few days. Now everyone are in for a long war.
Not the G*rmans but they were always pathological Russophiles. The French too, for all the theatrical posturing by Macron and even Le Pen, but nowhere to this degree as the fucking Germs.
LOL. Germany. So, no.