Remember that they're perfectly okay with the death of a man's dreams, future, ect when it means a free meal ticket for them via baby trapping. I feel like I'm beating a dead horse at this point but I can't emphasize this enough: They could have had enthusiastic male allies in their fight to preserve abortion had they actually cared about their reproductive rights more than their right to enslave men. Now they're experiencing that thing leftists are so eager to advocate for when they're not the ones being fucked over: Consequences. They'll never learn if they're constantly shielded from the consequences of their shitty behavior.
Men are a problem in this equation too. Men who want to fuck around and tell their girlfriends to get abortions are a major part of this issue, and they are typically the ones getting "baby trapped" because their scheming is biting them in the ass.
My advice to men is the same to women. If you don't want a kid, keep it in your pants. Main difference is that the law gave women permission to be murderers if they so choose, and men were to be enslaved regardless.
We've seen multiple instances of CPS fucking people over, I watch some truecrime shit and CPS has always been corrupt and fucked up, no matter WHO is doing it, whether it's a private agency or a government institution - some governments have outsourced it to a private firm and it's still a massive shitshow.
So what's our next solution? CPS has been corrupt ever since I've known of its existence and has never gotten better.
What would prevent a man from impregnating women and then dumping them, leaving her to take care of kids without any financial assistance?
She would have abortion rights under this scenario, so that plus the myriad of options she has to avoid pregnancy to begin with.
Why would this not work the other way around
It already does to a certain extent. MGTOW is a thing because men aren't interested in paying for women's bad decisions when women can opt out of doing so. What MGTOWs and MRAs object to is the unfairness of it all. She gets all the choice and he gets robbed blind to pay for it. He had the choice not to fuck her (something MGTOW advocates) of course, but she also had the choice not to fuck him. The imbalance is what comes afterwards. Abortion bans at least fix that.
You realise baby trapping isn't just a case of not using protection right?
Baby trapping more poking holes in condoms, promising a serious relationship getting pregnant then leaving, it's raping men (that'll rustle a few jimmies).
Also 99% abortion rate? Guess you've not heard about roe. Hah.
Simple as "economic" abortion. Dad can just nope the fuck out legally/financially/custodially from the get-go. It's not pretty, but it's more fair than the current situation.
Might make sense if child poverty rates were exceptionally low and birth rates were astronomically high, but when you're below replacement it seems absolutely batshit to further discourage people from having kids.
It discourages births to single mothers, which we incentivize right now by forcing the father to provide a no strings attached subsidy. Kids raised by single mothers have awful outcomes, especially boys. We don't need yet another generation of pussies and criminals because mommy wanted to give birth to a living paycheck.
Besides, the current system already discourages people from having kids. It's hard to justify putting a woman in a position to rob you blind and keep you away from your kids if things don't work out. It's impossible to have a healthy relationship with that Sword of Damocles hanging over your head. Of course we could repeal all the "advances" feminism made and purge the family courts. That would solve the vast majority of our problems and render this discussion largely moot.
Paper/financial abortion. If she wants to have the kid she's free to, but she has to do it on her own dime. No more lying about being on the pill then using the corrupt family courts to extort money from him. Since the decision is 100% her choice the consequences should be 100% her responsibility. I'm fine with the father being made to pay if he actually wanted the kid. But otherwise women should be having kids because they want kids instead of having kids because they want a payday.
Instead of a "paper" abortion, which selfishly harms all of society, the father should be given the right to compel an actual abortion. You don't want to care for the child? okay. The man who passes the sentence, should swing the sword.
I think you underestimate everything that is involved in kids if you think it is a 'payday'.
I think you underestimate everything that is involved in kids if you think it is a 'payday'.
I think you overestimate the level of effort many single moms put into their kids if you think it is anything but. Throw in some guilty grandparents, double dipping child support, numerous forms of welfare, forcing the kids to botch their education (get them retard bucks) and you can in fact make way more money than any other job for a fraction of the effort.
Especially if you remember that after kid 1, the amount of work drops considerably because of overlap in activities and then forcing the kids to raise the kids.
Remember that they're perfectly okay with the death of a man's dreams, future, ect when it means a free meal ticket for them via baby trapping. I feel like I'm beating a dead horse at this point but I can't emphasize this enough: They could have had enthusiastic male allies in their fight to preserve abortion had they actually cared about their reproductive rights more than their right to enslave men. Now they're experiencing that thing leftists are so eager to advocate for when they're not the ones being fucked over: Consequences. They'll never learn if they're constantly shielded from the consequences of their shitty behavior.
Men are a problem in this equation too. Men who want to fuck around and tell their girlfriends to get abortions are a major part of this issue, and they are typically the ones getting "baby trapped" because their scheming is biting them in the ass.
My advice to men is the same to women. If you don't want a kid, keep it in your pants. Main difference is that the law gave women permission to be murderers if they so choose, and men were to be enslaved regardless.
Now I am curious. How exactly would you stop 'baby trapping'?
Prevent CPS bias toward mother's. Done.
Baby trapping is only done because the man can be blackmailed for his money if it doesn't work out.
If the money isn't guaranteed, then they'll be solely financially responsible, and thus likely take more self measures to not get babied up.
You see, here's the problem.
We've seen multiple instances of CPS fucking people over, I watch some truecrime shit and CPS has always been corrupt and fucked up, no matter WHO is doing it, whether it's a private agency or a government institution - some governments have outsourced it to a private firm and it's still a massive shitshow.
So what's our next solution? CPS has been corrupt ever since I've known of its existence and has never gotten better.
What would prevent a man from impregnating women and then dumping them, leaving her to take care of kids without any financial assistance?
Why would this not work the other way around - in the current situation encouraging men to take more measures to not baby anyone up?
She would have abortion rights under this scenario, so that plus the myriad of options she has to avoid pregnancy to begin with.
It already does to a certain extent. MGTOW is a thing because men aren't interested in paying for women's bad decisions when women can opt out of doing so. What MGTOWs and MRAs object to is the unfairness of it all. She gets all the choice and he gets robbed blind to pay for it. He had the choice not to fuck her (something MGTOW advocates) of course, but she also had the choice not to fuck him. The imbalance is what comes afterwards. Abortion bans at least fix that.
Give fathers custody and make women pay child support.
Because men have ONE measure. Condoms and those can be sabotaged.
The other is self mutilation for the rest of their reproductive life.
As for your former if pump and dump, I said end CPS bias, not end CPS. Read what is there, not an extreme strawman you've created.
Welcome to a world with 99% abortion rate.
We want less abortions, not more. Ergo : Make men have to pay child support day 1 of conception instead.
Wrap that dick if you can't get a good gf you want a child with.
You realise baby trapping isn't just a case of not using protection right?
Baby trapping more poking holes in condoms, promising a serious relationship getting pregnant then leaving, it's raping men (that'll rustle a few jimmies).
Also 99% abortion rate? Guess you've not heard about roe. Hah.
Simple as "economic" abortion. Dad can just nope the fuck out legally/financially/custodially from the get-go. It's not pretty, but it's more fair than the current situation.
Might make sense if child poverty rates were exceptionally low and birth rates were astronomically high, but when you're below replacement it seems absolutely batshit to further discourage people from having kids.
It discourages births to single mothers, which we incentivize right now by forcing the father to provide a no strings attached subsidy. Kids raised by single mothers have awful outcomes, especially boys. We don't need yet another generation of pussies and criminals because mommy wanted to give birth to a living paycheck.
Besides, the current system already discourages people from having kids. It's hard to justify putting a woman in a position to rob you blind and keep you away from your kids if things don't work out. It's impossible to have a healthy relationship with that Sword of Damocles hanging over your head. Of course we could repeal all the "advances" feminism made and purge the family courts. That would solve the vast majority of our problems and render this discussion largely moot.
You don't want people having kids who don't want kids. They come out maladjusted.
Paper/financial abortion. If she wants to have the kid she's free to, but she has to do it on her own dime. No more lying about being on the pill then using the corrupt family courts to extort money from him. Since the decision is 100% her choice the consequences should be 100% her responsibility. I'm fine with the father being made to pay if he actually wanted the kid. But otherwise women should be having kids because they want kids instead of having kids because they want a payday.
How often does this happen? And what if birth control fails?
I think you underestimate everything that is involved in kids if you think it is a 'payday'.
All this does is create MORE fatherless children, which are already an epidemic. We already have too many people like this in society & they are a menace as well as making the poverty problem much worse.
Instead of a "paper" abortion, which selfishly harms all of society, the father should be given the right to compel an actual abortion. You don't want to care for the child? okay. The man who passes the sentence, should swing the sword.
Unfortunately, child support can be disgustingly lucrative against high net worth men. Things would be much better in this regard if child support was capped at a reasonable level sufficient to guarantee the child a middle class lifestyle, such as in the $3-5k a month range.
I think you overestimate the level of effort many single moms put into their kids if you think it is anything but. Throw in some guilty grandparents, double dipping child support, numerous forms of welfare, forcing the kids to botch their education (get them retard bucks) and you can in fact make way more money than any other job for a fraction of the effort.
Especially if you remember that after kid 1, the amount of work drops considerably because of overlap in activities and then forcing the kids to raise the kids.
Charge women with rape if the man doesn't consent to a child.
You consented when you came in her.
How do you 'consent to a child'?
Bruh I don't know, ask the dumb bitches getting pregnant with them and saying it's a consent issue as if they don't understand biology
Using the same extremely convoluted and obviously biased system women use for rape, obviously.
So they need written or recorded evidence, but if the victim claims coercion, that has no value and is thrown out.
Everyone that has a kid should be forced to marry the person they're having a kid with, divorce doesn't exist and adultery is illegal.
Find yourself a girl who looks at you the way I looked at that comment.
Don't. Give. Women. Ideas.