We've seen multiple instances of CPS fucking people over, I watch some truecrime shit and CPS has always been corrupt and fucked up, no matter WHO is doing it, whether it's a private agency or a government institution - some governments have outsourced it to a private firm and it's still a massive shitshow.
So what's our next solution? CPS has been corrupt ever since I've known of its existence and has never gotten better.
What would prevent a man from impregnating women and then dumping them, leaving her to take care of kids without any financial assistance?
She would have abortion rights under this scenario, so that plus the myriad of options she has to avoid pregnancy to begin with.
Why would this not work the other way around
It already does to a certain extent. MGTOW is a thing because men aren't interested in paying for women's bad decisions when women can opt out of doing so. What MGTOWs and MRAs object to is the unfairness of it all. She gets all the choice and he gets robbed blind to pay for it. He had the choice not to fuck her (something MGTOW advocates) of course, but she also had the choice not to fuck him. The imbalance is what comes afterwards. Abortion bans at least fix that.
She would have abortion rights under this scenario, so that plus the myriad of options she has to avoid pregnancy to begin with.
So basically no one will have kids because women know that a man may abdicate his responsibility at any moment?
She gets all the choice
Well yeah, she's hosting the fetus...
Biology is not unfair. MGTOWs and MRAs, like feminists, are at war with biology.
The imbalance is what comes afterwards. Abortion bans at least fix that.
Seems a rather illogical reason for an abortion ban. Like saying that nature and biology is terribly unfair and that we need to equalize things by means of social engineering.
You realise baby trapping isn't just a case of not using protection right?
Baby trapping more poking holes in condoms, promising a serious relationship getting pregnant then leaving, it's raping men (that'll rustle a few jimmies).
Also 99% abortion rate? Guess you've not heard about roe. Hah.
You fuck girls you don't know well, bring your own condoms, or don't put it in her vagina. It's the same advice we give girls who keep getting pregnant from deadbeat dads.
If you can't practice safe hedonism, reap what you sowed (quite literally) or simply don't engage in hedonism.
Abortions should be 100% illegal in the case of elective abortions (economic and/or social reasons). Only caveats should be rape/life of the mother at risk.
You think not wanting dead babies is hateful ? I'd say wanting to kill babies like you do is pretty damn hateful.
Also, the fuck with the chastity belt, wear a damn condom you useless baby killer.
Simple as "economic" abortion. Dad can just nope the fuck out legally/financially/custodially from the get-go. It's not pretty, but it's more fair than the current situation.
Might make sense if child poverty rates were exceptionally low and birth rates were astronomically high, but when you're below replacement it seems absolutely batshit to further discourage people from having kids.
It discourages births to single mothers, which we incentivize right now by forcing the father to provide a no strings attached subsidy. Kids raised by single mothers have awful outcomes, especially boys. We don't need yet another generation of pussies and criminals because mommy wanted to give birth to a living paycheck.
Besides, the current system already discourages people from having kids. It's hard to justify putting a woman in a position to rob you blind and keep you away from your kids if things don't work out. It's impossible to have a healthy relationship with that Sword of Damocles hanging over your head. Of course we could repeal all the "advances" feminism made and purge the family courts. That would solve the vast majority of our problems and render this discussion largely moot.
It discourages births to single mothers, which we incentivize right now by forcing the father to provide a no strings attached subsidy.
Are you sure? Assume that you are an absolute wretch of a man who does not care about his offspring at all. Right now, you're going to be rather careful, because you're on the hook for 18 years if you impregnate a sentient being with a uterus. On the other hand, as a woman you're already on the hook for 9 months of pregnancy and 18 years of raising a brat, so you're not going to want the kid of some loser.
Now take that away. The wretch will have zero incentive not to get women pregnant. You might as well get as many pregnant as you can - and in fact, that is the evolutionary imperative. I don't think women being more careful will make up for that.
And it will of course lead to massive amounts of child poverty, which will lead to a backlash and more funding for single mothers. It is not sustainable.
Besides, the current system already discourages people from having kids. It's hard to justify putting a woman in a position to rob you blind and keep you away from your kids if things don't work out.
And birth rates are low. So should we make them worse?
Of course we could repeal all the "advances" feminism made and purge the family courts. That would solve the vast majority of our problems and render this discussion largely moot.
A return to Victorianism is something that I will agree with.
Paper/financial abortion. If she wants to have the kid she's free to, but she has to do it on her own dime. No more lying about being on the pill then using the corrupt family courts to extort money from him. Since the decision is 100% her choice the consequences should be 100% her responsibility. I'm fine with the father being made to pay if he actually wanted the kid. But otherwise women should be having kids because they want kids instead of having kids because they want a payday.
Instead of a "paper" abortion, which selfishly harms all of society, the father should be given the right to compel an actual abortion. You don't want to care for the child? okay. The man who passes the sentence, should swing the sword.
I think you underestimate everything that is involved in kids if you think it is a 'payday'.
I think you underestimate everything that is involved in kids if you think it is a 'payday'.
I think you overestimate the level of effort many single moms put into their kids if you think it is anything but. Throw in some guilty grandparents, double dipping child support, numerous forms of welfare, forcing the kids to botch their education (get them retard bucks) and you can in fact make way more money than any other job for a fraction of the effort.
Especially if you remember that after kid 1, the amount of work drops considerably because of overlap in activities and then forcing the kids to raise the kids.
Don't forget that the courts don't care if the money is spent on the kid. It's just free money for mommy while she traps the next sucker and neglects the kid.
Using the same extremely convoluted and obviously biased system women use for rape, obviously.
Hmm... so you don't have a problem with imprisoning innocent people based on a convoluted and biased system, you just want innocent women to go to jail rather than men? How typical.
Especially with abortion becoming less legal. But I was really itching to hear his batshit responses. He'll probably say that only a notarized statement would suffice.
Now I am curious. How exactly would you stop 'baby trapping'?
Prevent CPS bias toward mother's. Done.
Baby trapping is only done because the man can be blackmailed for his money if it doesn't work out.
If the money isn't guaranteed, then they'll be solely financially responsible, and thus likely take more self measures to not get babied up.
You see, here's the problem.
We've seen multiple instances of CPS fucking people over, I watch some truecrime shit and CPS has always been corrupt and fucked up, no matter WHO is doing it, whether it's a private agency or a government institution - some governments have outsourced it to a private firm and it's still a massive shitshow.
So what's our next solution? CPS has been corrupt ever since I've known of its existence and has never gotten better.
What would prevent a man from impregnating women and then dumping them, leaving her to take care of kids without any financial assistance?
Why would this not work the other way around - in the current situation encouraging men to take more measures to not baby anyone up?
She would have abortion rights under this scenario, so that plus the myriad of options she has to avoid pregnancy to begin with.
It already does to a certain extent. MGTOW is a thing because men aren't interested in paying for women's bad decisions when women can opt out of doing so. What MGTOWs and MRAs object to is the unfairness of it all. She gets all the choice and he gets robbed blind to pay for it. He had the choice not to fuck her (something MGTOW advocates) of course, but she also had the choice not to fuck him. The imbalance is what comes afterwards. Abortion bans at least fix that.
Killing babies. Good solution /s
So basically no one will have kids because women know that a man may abdicate his responsibility at any moment?
Well yeah, she's hosting the fetus...
Biology is not unfair. MGTOWs and MRAs, like feminists, are at war with biology.
Seems a rather illogical reason for an abortion ban. Like saying that nature and biology is terribly unfair and that we need to equalize things by means of social engineering.
Give fathers custody and make women pay child support.
Because men have ONE measure. Condoms and those can be sabotaged.
The other is self mutilation for the rest of their reproductive life.
As for your former if pump and dump, I said end CPS bias, not end CPS. Read what is there, not an extreme strawman you've created.
I wasn't talking about CPS at all, but about "not guaranteeing money" (child support). What in that situation would prevent pumping and dumping?
Welcome to a world with 99% abortion rate.
We want less abortions, not more. Ergo : Make men have to pay child support day 1 of conception instead.
Wrap that dick if you can't get a good gf you want a child with.
You realise baby trapping isn't just a case of not using protection right?
Baby trapping more poking holes in condoms, promising a serious relationship getting pregnant then leaving, it's raping men (that'll rustle a few jimmies).
Also 99% abortion rate? Guess you've not heard about roe. Hah.
How is she poking holes in your condoms ?
You fuck girls you don't know well, bring your own condoms, or don't put it in her vagina. It's the same advice we give girls who keep getting pregnant from deadbeat dads.
If you can't practice safe hedonism, reap what you sowed (quite literally) or simply don't engage in hedonism.
Based.
Abortions should be 100% illegal in the case of elective abortions (economic and/or social reasons). Only caveats should be rape/life of the mother at risk.
You think not wanting dead babies is hateful ? I'd say wanting to kill babies like you do is pretty damn hateful.
Also, the fuck with the chastity belt, wear a damn condom you useless baby killer.
Simple as "economic" abortion. Dad can just nope the fuck out legally/financially/custodially from the get-go. It's not pretty, but it's more fair than the current situation.
Might make sense if child poverty rates were exceptionally low and birth rates were astronomically high, but when you're below replacement it seems absolutely batshit to further discourage people from having kids.
It discourages births to single mothers, which we incentivize right now by forcing the father to provide a no strings attached subsidy. Kids raised by single mothers have awful outcomes, especially boys. We don't need yet another generation of pussies and criminals because mommy wanted to give birth to a living paycheck.
Besides, the current system already discourages people from having kids. It's hard to justify putting a woman in a position to rob you blind and keep you away from your kids if things don't work out. It's impossible to have a healthy relationship with that Sword of Damocles hanging over your head. Of course we could repeal all the "advances" feminism made and purge the family courts. That would solve the vast majority of our problems and render this discussion largely moot.
Are you sure? Assume that you are an absolute wretch of a man who does not care about his offspring at all. Right now, you're going to be rather careful, because you're on the hook for 18 years if you impregnate a sentient being with a uterus. On the other hand, as a woman you're already on the hook for 9 months of pregnancy and 18 years of raising a brat, so you're not going to want the kid of some loser.
Now take that away. The wretch will have zero incentive not to get women pregnant. You might as well get as many pregnant as you can - and in fact, that is the evolutionary imperative. I don't think women being more careful will make up for that.
And it will of course lead to massive amounts of child poverty, which will lead to a backlash and more funding for single mothers. It is not sustainable.
And birth rates are low. So should we make them worse?
A return to Victorianism is something that I will agree with.
You don't want people having kids who don't want kids. They come out maladjusted.
Didn't take you for a pro-choicer.
Pro choice filth.
Paper/financial abortion. If she wants to have the kid she's free to, but she has to do it on her own dime. No more lying about being on the pill then using the corrupt family courts to extort money from him. Since the decision is 100% her choice the consequences should be 100% her responsibility. I'm fine with the father being made to pay if he actually wanted the kid. But otherwise women should be having kids because they want kids instead of having kids because they want a payday.
How often does this happen? And what if birth control fails?
I think you underestimate everything that is involved in kids if you think it is a 'payday'.
All this does is create MORE fatherless children, which are already an epidemic. We already have too many people like this in society & they are a menace as well as making the poverty problem much worse.
Instead of a "paper" abortion, which selfishly harms all of society, the father should be given the right to compel an actual abortion. You don't want to care for the child? okay. The man who passes the sentence, should swing the sword.
Unfortunately, child support can be disgustingly lucrative against high net worth men. Things would be much better in this regard if child support was capped at a reasonable level sufficient to guarantee the child a middle class lifestyle, such as in the $3-5k a month range.
I think you overestimate the level of effort many single moms put into their kids if you think it is anything but. Throw in some guilty grandparents, double dipping child support, numerous forms of welfare, forcing the kids to botch their education (get them retard bucks) and you can in fact make way more money than any other job for a fraction of the effort.
Especially if you remember that after kid 1, the amount of work drops considerably because of overlap in activities and then forcing the kids to raise the kids.
Don't forget that the courts don't care if the money is spent on the kid. It's just free money for mommy while she traps the next sucker and neglects the kid.
Charge women with rape if the man doesn't consent to a child.
You consented when you came in her.
How do you 'consent to a child'?
Bruh I don't know, ask the dumb bitches getting pregnant with them and saying it's a consent issue as if they don't understand biology
Using the same extremely convoluted and obviously biased system women use for rape, obviously.
So they need written or recorded evidence, but if the victim claims coercion, that has no value and is thrown out.
Hmm... so you don't have a problem with imprisoning innocent people based on a convoluted and biased system, you just want innocent women to go to jail rather than men? How typical.
Especially with abortion becoming less legal. But I was really itching to hear his batshit responses. He'll probably say that only a notarized statement would suffice.
Everyone that has a kid should be forced to marry the person they're having a kid with, divorce doesn't exist and adultery is illegal.
Find yourself a girl who looks at you the way I looked at that comment.
Don't. Give. Women. Ideas.