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The Supreme Court has issued an opinion today that New York's regulations governing the issuance of concealed carry permits violated the Second and Fourteenth Amendments. Even with snake Cornyn trying to erode our gun rights, Clarence Thomas has expanded it! (mobile.twitter.com)
posted 3 years ago by onetruephilosoraptor 3 years ago by onetruephilosoraptor +122 / -0
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– AntonioOfVenice 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

It takes a year and like 5 background checks to buy a pistol in NY state

Really a year, or is that exaggeration?

Because I've seen gun rights advocates get mad even over 3 day waiting periods. A year seems completely mad.

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– smashyawaro 22 points 3 years ago +22 / -0

This isn't NY, but in California, they required registration of rifles under their new assault weapon definition. Thousands of people sent in registration forms, but even with a year, the state failed to process them due to being "understaffed". They closed the registration period, and so people sued. It took another year or so for the courts to rule for them to open the period again, and people are still complaining that their forms haven't been approved again. CA DOJ loves playing dirty tricks like this, such as raiding gun shops for off list lowers and going "oops" after the courts rule the stores were operating legally. I wouldn't expect NY to be better.

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– CptLightning 14 points 3 years ago +14 / -0

No specific waiting period to buy the gun itself, but background checks etc before you are allowed a handgun permit easily takes 6 months if you're lucky. A year is not outside the realm of reasonable expectation here

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– AntonioOfVenice 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

That is crazy, I thought these background checks were basically instantaneous.

How come states like Texas can do them instantaneously? Or is just a criminal background check different from the NY style.

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– CptLightning 21 points 3 years ago +21 / -0

Anarcho-tyranny. NY really doesn't want you to have guns so they will drag their feet every step of the way.

Edit: The real time-consumer is that NY sends people out to interview your friends/family you use as references on your permit application. Ostensibly to make sure you're not crazy or unqualified to own a weapon. Maybe this goes away as the court ruling strikes down May-Issue entirely and forces every state to be Shall-Issue in the context of CC, so I don't see why it wouldn't also be applied to ownership

Some counties are better than others, but in any of the ones housing the big cities (Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, NYC ofc) you'll have to wait a long time

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– JediDwag 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

Ridiculous levels of infringement. The founding fathers are rolling in their graves.

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– Wizardslayer 17 points 3 years ago +17 / -0

They just do everything to discourage you from getting it. They could do it all in an afternoon while you waited for the most part. But NY especially NYC tries to dig up anything on you to deny you.

Then in NYC they make it even harder because you can't just go buy a gun. You have to get a purchase authorization which takes 3 to 6 months to process. Then you have 30 days to buy a gun, if you don't buy it in 30 days the authorization expires. After you buy the gun then you have to take it to one specific place for NYPD to inspect the gun because they don't trust the FFLs.

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– discourse_friendly 10 points 3 years ago +10 / -0

There's an FBI background check required for any gun purchase from any federally licensed dealer. During periods of low sales volumes its usually 10 minutes - 2 hours. depending on if your name is popular or not. Archimedes Link Usoro will have their background check come back a lot faster than John Smith The last Gun i bought, during the 2020 "summer of love" the background check took 3 weeks. I bought one in 2008 at a gun show and the dealer got an answer back with in a few minutes. He called it in.

Now some states and or cities have a waiting period on top of that. sometimes it depends what you're buying. bolt action riffles versus a hand gun or modern sporting riffle.

Nevada has no waiting period. California has a 10 day waiting period. I think (I could be wrong) you have to pass your background check before you can pay for the gun. and after you pay the waiting period starts.

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– thepalagoon 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

I bought my first gun during the summer of love -- on a saturday morning it (edit: the background check) took about 5 minutes.

Perhaps being deep in red middle america played a part.

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– TriangleGang 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

I anticipate waiting periods will go the way of the dodo. No basis in history and tradition at the time the 2nd Amendment was drafted.

It's going to be a great few years as gun control regulations across the country fall.

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– elleand202 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

The last Gun i bought, during the 2020 "summer of love" the background check took 3 weeks.

What state was this? I was under the impression that if a state uses the federal rules only without their own, after three days of "pending", the store may proceed with the sale.

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– brimshae 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

I thought these background checks were basically instantaneous.

They are. It's just when they decide to getting around to doing them/releasing the instant check.

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– KeeperOfTheGate 10 points 3 years ago +10 / -0

So gun laws are state-by-state. They also vary by the type of gun.

In my state, a southern reddish state, it's state law that you must get a pistol permit to by a handgun. The county sheriff's office is responsible for issuing pistol permits. In some counties it's done almost instantly. In some blue counties, they will sit on your pistol permit as long as possible. One county stopped issuing pistol permits during covid, saying they didn't have the staff, and they got slapped down by courts.

When I applied for a pistol permit a few years back, I received my permit the day AFTER the legal maximum period the sheriff is allowed to take to review my file. My background check is clean, no criminal record, no debt, no nothing.

So, it's not a waiting period, technically, but you legally have to have one of these permits in order to purchase a handgun, or even to receive one as a gift from a family member.

Fun fact--for many southern states that have pistol permit laws, the origins go back to Jim Crow and segregation. Make blacks apply to the local sheriff for a pistol permit, then turn them down, because, reasons. Authoritarians are going authoritarian, left or right.

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– brimshae 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

In some blue counties, they will sit on your pistol permit as long as possible

If your state has a 2A organization see about getting a writ of mandamus filed any/the next time they do that.

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– DefinitelyNotIGN 5 points 3 years ago +5 / -0

the origins go back to Jim Crow and segregation.

So... It was the left then, and it was the left now? Not sure how that tracks with your "left or right" statement follow-up.

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– realerfunction 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

that's not a right authoritarian thing.

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– JustHereForTheSalmon 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

A 5 minute overview of the process, as described by John Stossel.

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