Trump has sadly been nothing but a disappointment since March of 2020. He screwed the pooch on COVID with two weeks to flatten the curve, funded Operation Warpspeed and then failed to stop the fortifications and is now impotently screaming about it.
The Stop The Steal rally and its aftermath was his greatest act of betrayal. He ran away from supporters and left them to rot. It's a wonder that anyone can support him after that.
They say every mistake he makes is solely the fault of his advisors or they will solely blame Jared Kushner.
Otherwise they will say it is 4d chess.
Sad to see them absolve him of all agency for his decision making.
It is sad that Trump is so polarizing where the left seethes blood when you merely mention him and on the other side his fanclub worships him like a cult.
Critical thinking is sadly dying throughout the entire political spectrum.
You forget the Obama birther years where Trump already became hated by the left even before he ran in 2015.
Sure the media will demonize any Republican nominee but the level of hatred some people have for Trump can never be replicated with anyone else.
Too many Trump supporters really can't understand this. Trump is hated viscerally by nearly half of the country.
TDS is no joke. I sadly know some pathetic people who will scream in anger if merely his name is mentioned.
I don't think any American in history received this level of hatred from nearly half the nation.
The media will try to replicate their fomentation of hatred with any new Republican nominee but to reach the same levels of Trump hatred they fomented in people will be a hard sell.
Trump is unique in the sense that no other person alive can likely elicit this level of hatred.
They will definitely try but it is not possible to make Ron as hated as the Donald.
The visceral hatred of Trump is a phenomenon so unique it can't be perfectly replicated with other people.
We can either nominate an 78 year old man who is hated viscerally by half the country and is terrible at personnel selection or we can nominate a man in his 40s who has shown he can govern well and fight back against the excesses of wokeism.
The choice is really not that hard.
I don't understand these people who think Trump is owed 2024 just because they fortified it against him in 2020.
Yeah Trump could have done more, but even at the top of the Executive how much can one person do against both parties?
A second Trump wouldn't be running for reelection and would have a few allies in Congress. It would definitely be better than the first round.
People wishfully think DeSantis is going to walk in to the Oval and fix everything, but for all we know when they threaten to Kennedy him he might bend like a wet noodle.
Between Trump 2024 and DeSantis 2024, it should be a no-brainer for everyone on the right.
We would be stupid to run the 78 year old narcissist from New York again in 2024 over an articulate man who is capable of governing and who constantly attacks the ideology of wokeism and who actually utilizes his power to work to dismantle the leftist administrative state.
DeSantis hasn't indicated that he is capable of going full Ceasar and purging so hard it makes Stalin look like a pacifist. While there is value in the swamp putting all its energy into obstructing him, it would also leave Florida exposed to progressive capture. It's better to have him ruling as the King of Florida than the Squire of Washington.
My whole point of staying home if the nominee is Trump is very simple.
I know that Trump will guaranteed lose to any Dem in 2024.
Why would I vote for a guy who is fated to lose?
I have been trying in real life to get all of the right wing people I know to back anyone but Trump. Trump is the only candidate we have for 2024 who will guaranteed lose to any Dem.
Nominating Trump for 2024 is the dumbest thing anyone on the right can do.
Sadly he still has way too many supporters who foolishly love him even after his terrible hiring and poor decision making. The economy was great 2017-2019 sure but he destroyed all of his achievements in 2020 and beyond.
I pray to God that Trump can somehow be prevented from becoming the nominee in 2024.
The widespread existence of TDS in half the country sadly makes it easy for the powers that be to "fortify" the election against Trump.
No one alive is as hated by half our country as much as Donald Trump is.
Why should we run someone again that so many people viscerally hate?
The media will try to foster hatred of DeSantis if he is the nominee sure but it is not humanly possible that they will be able to foment the hatred of Ron to the same level of the Donald.
Trump is truly an unique figure in current America where he is viscerally hated by half the country and also beloved by about 35 percent of the country. These numbers don't bode well.
Running Trump pumps up Democrat turnout like no one else and thus it allows them to fortify elections much easier than with any other nominee.
He will lose in 2024 if the right is dumb enough to nominate him again knowing what people think about him.
In an odd way this will probably get the MSM to shut up about the 'genocide' issue since they spent so long smearing Trump that if he agrees with them they have to immediately distance themselves from it.
I hope he agrees with them more to watch them squirm.
This is sadly not 4D Chess like his ardent supporters constantly say things are.
Trump is likely saying this because he foolishly thinks statements like this will help him in 2024.
If Trump runs again, the Democrats will be able to save themselves by making the whole election an referendum on Trump
the man instead of it being an referendum on Biden's failed policies.
I am so sick of this guy letting his massive ego destroy our last chance of even slightly unfucking the nation.
It is beyond depressing for me that Trump's poor decision making from 2020 onwards has actually managed to turn me away from wholeheartedly supporting him from 2015-2020 to the level of Never-Trump.
Yeah. Trump is pretty firmly and soullessly pandering to his base right now. He didn't pardon Assange, didn't didn't seriously attack the deep state, didn't secure our elections, and pushed Covid way too far. The smartest tactical decision he made was to announce the pullout of Afghanistan as his term ended, to leave Biden carrying the baggage. That legit made the left look horrible. But it was also just an optics move, and did nothing to improve the long-term well-being of our people.
TBH I think a collapse is inevitable at this point, and I'd rather have Biden holding the bag when it happens. Such an event would nuke the establishment in the eyes of the public and might lead to popular support for some actual reformists or fringe parties.
If Trump is holding the bag when everything unravels the establishment will just direct blame onto Trump and the "alt right.". We will be persecuted mercilessly and the fallout for the deep state will be contained. Nothing will change, but opposition parties will be radioactive for twenty years.
I have faith in neither candidate to actually fix this mess and if it comes down to Trump vs Biden I probably won't vote. Or I'll write in something impossible, like Rand Paul, so I can laugh and jeer at the normies from atop my giant pile of silver and bullets as Rome burns.
If Romney gets the nomination again, because like Hillary he's set his sights on it and won't give up, are "we" winning with President Romney?
There's better candidates than Trump, but there's a lot of worse candidates also.
My preference is 1) DeSantis 2) Trump 3) bearded Cruz 4) Rand Paul. I don't think Rand could even win as Democrats hate him as much as Republicans hate Hillary, and Cruz is slimy but at least he's smart as a whip.
Who are these "anyone" with a better shot than Trump that are not uniparty?
Cruz nearly beat Trump the first time, and that was sans beard when he looked like a twerp. Never Trumpers + pragmatists, he could get the nomination.
But whatever, the point is that your belief turns out to be DeSantis or it's 8 years of Biden. That's not "anyone" that's "one". Not Cruz, not Paul, not Romney, not Huckabee, not Haley, not Rubio, not anybody else.
That's fine, I'd like DeSantis to run, but any one of the above including Trump would beat Biden if there's no cheating. To me the only question is how much cheating and the only reason Trump would lose is they'd cheat more. It'll be hard for the media to make anybody else into literal Hitler, so fewer people sent a dozen ballots will fill them all out.
Like çovid statements he never says who is causing the issue (ie genocide). He may be saying Ukraine is killing their own and that NATO should not be supporting it. He always plays a very careful game.
Trump has always been anti-Russia. The biggest sanctions enacted against Russia before the war was by Trump. He sent soldiers to train Ukrainian soldiers and sent them weapons. He kicked Turkey out of the F-35 program because of their purchase of the S400. He also bombed Russian soldiers and mercenaries in Syria.
Which proved the Democrat talking point that he was a Russian agent, or was supported by Russia, or his election was helped by Russia utterly false.
You can be anti-Russia while still not pushing their globalist talking points. By calling it a genocide, they can mobilize for interventionism. Trump just now helped them do that.
What is happening in Ukraine is definitely terrible but it is still no genocide. They exaggerate in order to fuel interventionism.
I voted for Trump twice but I will say I won't be doing that ever again.
Apparently, many of people here really believed the Democrat smear about Trump being Putin's pal. It's so ronic.
Anyway, the Russians are openly genocidal. Like with their legislation making it easier for Russians to "adopt" children taken from Ukraine, and their officials talk about the need to urgently re-educate the children who don't speak Russian in the "liberated" areas. That coupled with their mantra about how there never having been the Ukrainians and it's a fake nation, and they're there to finally correct this mistake that the people of "Lesser Russia" made about themselves.
Technically, if what is being said is true and the evidence so far seems to support it, it seems to be correct, genocide is the correct definition. For a 100% case it will need to go to court years from now and a judgement will then be enacted on it.
I lost some confidence when he folded to the covid nonsense and didn’t do more to stop the rioting after Floyd. If he is the nominee I’ll have to vote for him though.
He can do mistakes, a human makes mistakes. Despite the meme, he is no god. But his stance on things have been clear if one were to stop and look for it. This one has been clear for years, which is why I support him even then. I remember debating democrats making various claims about Russia. All I needed to shut them up, or make them spin our of control and sperg nonsense was to show his actions against russia.
Trump has sadly been nothing but a disappointment since March of 2020. He screwed the pooch on COVID with two weeks to flatten the curve, funded Operation Warpspeed and then failed to stop the fortifications and is now impotently screaming about it.
I am done with this nonsense. No more.
The Stop The Steal rally and its aftermath was his greatest act of betrayal. He ran away from supporters and left them to rot. It's a wonder that anyone can support him after that.
It boggles my mind to see some Republicans still vehemently support him.
He fucked them over with no lube and they want more of it.
Insanity.
To be fair, thats all the GOP does to its voters anyway, so they didnt notice any difference.
It is sad to see what they turned into.
You cannot criticize the man at all.
They worship him like a God.
They say every mistake he makes is solely the fault of his advisors or they will solely blame Jared Kushner.
Otherwise they will say it is 4d chess.
Sad to see them absolve him of all agency for his decision making.
It is sad that Trump is so polarizing where the left seethes blood when you merely mention him and on the other side his fanclub worships him like a cult.
Critical thinking is sadly dying throughout the entire political spectrum.
Banning criticism worked great when the subreddit unapologetically banned reddit trolls in campaign mode. For new political questions, not so much.
I'll vote for him if he runs since he'd still at least fix the economy if he doesnt get cheated out again.
Its clear that its up to us to actually fix all the problems though.
He is the only potential Republican nominee who would be guaranteed to lose in 2024.
He is the one guy that they will always be able to successfully fortify against.
TDS is real and it has affected way too many people.
They hate the man. Why run him again when we have a better alternative in Ron DeSantis?
The entire left went from loving him overnight to hating him.
If they media complex can turn him into Hitler II, they can do it to anyone.
First of all, the entire left never loved Trump.
You forget the Obama birther years where Trump already became hated by the left even before he ran in 2015.
Sure the media will demonize any Republican nominee but the level of hatred some people have for Trump can never be replicated with anyone else.
Too many Trump supporters really can't understand this. Trump is hated viscerally by nearly half of the country.
TDS is no joke. I sadly know some pathetic people who will scream in anger if merely his name is mentioned.
I don't think any American in history received this level of hatred from nearly half the nation.
The media will try to replicate their fomentation of hatred with any new Republican nominee but to reach the same levels of Trump hatred they fomented in people will be a hard sell.
Trump is unique in the sense that no other person alive can likely elicit this level of hatred.
Why run Trump again in 2024 knowing all of this?
Trump is polarizing.
For every person who viscerally hates him, there is at least one who midnlessly follows everything he says.
Kinda funny since he's the most Milqtoast normie politician for the modern age.
They will ratchet up the hate machine for DeSantis overnight if and when he runs.
Anyone who isn’t part of the big club will be smeared instantly.
They will definitely try but it is not possible to make Ron as hated as the Donald.
The visceral hatred of Trump is a phenomenon so unique it can't be perfectly replicated with other people.
We can either nominate an 78 year old man who is hated viscerally by half the country and is terrible at personnel selection or we can nominate a man in his 40s who has shown he can govern well and fight back against the excesses of wokeism.
The choice is really not that hard.
I don't understand these people who think Trump is owed 2024 just because they fortified it against him in 2020.
I don't know dude. Part of me says you're right but the other part has some pretty big doubts about the vestigial rationality of Dem voters.
I’m frustrated too but if he is the nominee will you vote for him? I feel I have no choice
I pray he will not be the nominee. If that happens, I stay home.
I am done voting for this clown.
Yeah Trump could have done more, but even at the top of the Executive how much can one person do against both parties?
A second Trump wouldn't be running for reelection and would have a few allies in Congress. It would definitely be better than the first round.
People wishfully think DeSantis is going to walk in to the Oval and fix everything, but for all we know when they threaten to Kennedy him he might bend like a wet noodle.
Please do not move to Canada.
Ditto.
But I want my Governor to be my governor for another 4 years. Blyat.
DeSantis 24.
Between Trump 2024 and DeSantis 2024, it should be a no-brainer for everyone on the right.
We would be stupid to run the 78 year old narcissist from New York again in 2024 over an articulate man who is capable of governing and who constantly attacks the ideology of wokeism and who actually utilizes his power to work to dismantle the leftist administrative state.
DeSantis hasn't indicated that he is capable of going full Ceasar and purging so hard it makes Stalin look like a pacifist. While there is value in the swamp putting all its energy into obstructing him, it would also leave Florida exposed to progressive capture. It's better to have him ruling as the King of Florida than the Squire of Washington.
My whole point of staying home if the nominee is Trump is very simple. I know that Trump will guaranteed lose to any Dem in 2024.
Why would I vote for a guy who is fated to lose?
I have been trying in real life to get all of the right wing people I know to back anyone but Trump. Trump is the only candidate we have for 2024 who will guaranteed lose to any Dem.
Nominating Trump for 2024 is the dumbest thing anyone on the right can do.
Sadly he still has way too many supporters who foolishly love him even after his terrible hiring and poor decision making. The economy was great 2017-2019 sure but he destroyed all of his achievements in 2020 and beyond.
I pray to God that Trump can somehow be prevented from becoming the nominee in 2024.
Why do you think he would lose?
The widespread existence of TDS in half the country sadly makes it easy for the powers that be to "fortify" the election against Trump.
No one alive is as hated by half our country as much as Donald Trump is.
Why should we run someone again that so many people viscerally hate?
The media will try to foster hatred of DeSantis if he is the nominee sure but it is not humanly possible that they will be able to foment the hatred of Ron to the same level of the Donald.
Trump is truly an unique figure in current America where he is viscerally hated by half the country and also beloved by about 35 percent of the country. These numbers don't bode well.
Running Trump pumps up Democrat turnout like no one else and thus it allows them to fortify elections much easier than with any other nominee.
He will lose in 2024 if the right is dumb enough to nominate him again knowing what people think about him.
DeSantis is quite good too. He put a stop at the retarded BDS movement in Florida.
Stop projecting again. What is it about you and projection?
Do I bother to explain or I just tell you to stop sucking your brother's shit?
Decisions... decisions... Nah, nothing indicates you are a person worth my time. Instead of stopping sucking your brother's shit, keep at it.
What trap?
The retarded left and the retarded right hatefucked that racist bullshit into existence.
In an odd way this will probably get the MSM to shut up about the 'genocide' issue since they spent so long smearing Trump that if he agrees with them they have to immediately distance themselves from it.
I hope he agrees with them more to watch them squirm.
This is sadly not 4D Chess like his ardent supporters constantly say things are.
Trump is likely saying this because he foolishly thinks statements like this will help him in 2024.
If Trump runs again, the Democrats will be able to save themselves by making the whole election an referendum on Trump the man instead of it being an referendum on Biden's failed policies.
I am so sick of this guy letting his massive ego destroy our last chance of even slightly unfucking the nation.
It is beyond depressing for me that Trump's poor decision making from 2020 onwards has actually managed to turn me away from wholeheartedly supporting him from 2015-2020 to the level of Never-Trump.
Sad fucking times.
Yeah. Trump is pretty firmly and soullessly pandering to his base right now. He didn't pardon Assange, didn't didn't seriously attack the deep state, didn't secure our elections, and pushed Covid way too far. The smartest tactical decision he made was to announce the pullout of Afghanistan as his term ended, to leave Biden carrying the baggage. That legit made the left look horrible. But it was also just an optics move, and did nothing to improve the long-term well-being of our people.
TBH I think a collapse is inevitable at this point, and I'd rather have Biden holding the bag when it happens. Such an event would nuke the establishment in the eyes of the public and might lead to popular support for some actual reformists or fringe parties.
If Trump is holding the bag when everything unravels the establishment will just direct blame onto Trump and the "alt right.". We will be persecuted mercilessly and the fallout for the deep state will be contained. Nothing will change, but opposition parties will be radioactive for twenty years.
I have faith in neither candidate to actually fix this mess and if it comes down to Trump vs Biden I probably won't vote. Or I'll write in something impossible, like Rand Paul, so I can laugh and jeer at the normies from atop my giant pile of silver and bullets as Rome burns.
Trump will never win in 2024. He is the one candidate that guarantees us a loss.
We have a better shot of winning 2024 with anyone other than Trump.
TDS is too real and he is hated by way too many people these days and the powers that be will never let him win again.
If Romney gets the nomination again, because like Hillary he's set his sights on it and won't give up, are "we" winning with President Romney?
There's better candidates than Trump, but there's a lot of worse candidates also.
My preference is 1) DeSantis 2) Trump 3) bearded Cruz 4) Rand Paul. I don't think Rand could even win as Democrats hate him as much as Republicans hate Hillary, and Cruz is slimy but at least he's smart as a whip.
Who are these "anyone" with a better shot than Trump that are not uniparty?
There are no worse candidates for 2024 than Trump because those candidates won't even get past the primaries.
Romney will never become the nominee ever again. He has become irrelevant to any future discussion for the presidency.
Rand Paul and Ted Cruz will also never win the primaries.
I like Rand but he doesn't have a chance.
Ted Cruz is hated by nearly almost as many people as Trump so he is not a good alternative either.
There are only two Republicans in the last 36 years who even lost Tarrant County in Texas and that list consists of Cruz and Trump.
At this point of time it looks like there are only 2 potential candidates who can realistically win the Republican primaries in 2024.
Donald Trump and Ronald Desantis.
Between these two candidates, DeSantis is far more likely to be capable of winning a general election.
Cruz nearly beat Trump the first time, and that was sans beard when he looked like a twerp. Never Trumpers + pragmatists, he could get the nomination.
But whatever, the point is that your belief turns out to be DeSantis or it's 8 years of Biden. That's not "anyone" that's "one". Not Cruz, not Paul, not Romney, not Huckabee, not Haley, not Rubio, not anybody else.
That's fine, I'd like DeSantis to run, but any one of the above including Trump would beat Biden if there's no cheating. To me the only question is how much cheating and the only reason Trump would lose is they'd cheat more. It'll be hard for the media to make anybody else into literal Hitler, so fewer people sent a dozen ballots will fill them all out.
>banking all your hope on a single man
DeSantis for president!
DeSantis wins = WIN
Trump wins = WIN
Trump's still a boomer at heart.
Like çovid statements he never says who is causing the issue (ie genocide). He may be saying Ukraine is killing their own and that NATO should not be supporting it. He always plays a very careful game.
How can you be sure it's not the unkrainian gov he's talking about? Seems like he plays that loose
Trump has always been anti-Russia. The biggest sanctions enacted against Russia before the war was by Trump. He sent soldiers to train Ukrainian soldiers and sent them weapons. He kicked Turkey out of the F-35 program because of their purchase of the S400. He also bombed Russian soldiers and mercenaries in Syria.
Which proved the Democrat talking point that he was a Russian agent, or was supported by Russia, or his election was helped by Russia utterly false.
I like Trump. Trump FTW.
You can be anti-Russia while still not pushing their globalist talking points. By calling it a genocide, they can mobilize for interventionism. Trump just now helped them do that.
What is happening in Ukraine is definitely terrible but it is still no genocide. They exaggerate in order to fuel interventionism.
I voted for Trump twice but I will say I won't be doing that ever again.
Can't you just fuck your brother, or fap using his picture? I mean, it is so damn sad that you have to fap thinking of me...
Stop projecting.
That's great.
Focus on the lesson that your dad taught you, speak only after you pull your dildo out of your butt.
Putin called it genocide first.
Apparently, many of people here really believed the Democrat smear about Trump being Putin's pal. It's so ronic.
Anyway, the Russians are openly genocidal. Like with their legislation making it easier for Russians to "adopt" children taken from Ukraine, and their officials talk about the need to urgently re-educate the children who don't speak Russian in the "liberated" areas. That coupled with their mantra about how there never having been the Ukrainians and it's a fake nation, and they're there to finally correct this mistake that the people of "Lesser Russia" made about themselves.
You could say that again!!
Technically, if what is being said is true and the evidence so far seems to support it, it seems to be correct, genocide is the correct definition. For a 100% case it will need to go to court years from now and a judgement will then be enacted on it.
I lost some confidence when he folded to the covid nonsense and didn’t do more to stop the rioting after Floyd. If he is the nominee I’ll have to vote for him though.
He can do mistakes, a human makes mistakes. Despite the meme, he is no god. But his stance on things have been clear if one were to stop and look for it. This one has been clear for years, which is why I support him even then. I remember debating democrats making various claims about Russia. All I needed to shut them up, or make them spin our of control and sperg nonsense was to show his actions against russia.