Did you forget about the "Platinum Plan"? 5*10^11 dollars for negros, and not one penny for whites. Along with 10 billion dollars for Israel's wall, and then bragging about 5 million for the US one. Trump was always a backstabber.
Bragging about creating shitty vaccines that are being mandated on us by the left is not the slightest breath of dissent, you reddit janny.
I defended him for fucking five years and voted for him twice. The orange man just has to strongly denounce vaccine mandates and encourage the rest of the right to fight it but he refuses to do it. Trump's Pfizer and Moderna stock in his portfolio is more important to him than the lives of his most ardent supporters.
Every single person who is at risk of losing their job or has already lost their job over this shit vaccine mandate has a damn good reason to despise the orange buffoon now.
Bragging about creating shitty vaccines that are being mandated on us by the left is not the slightest breath of dissent, you reddit janny.
He should brag about creating them. They did a great amount of good for old and vulnerable populations. Do you really think that other people taking that too far makes the thing itself bad?
The orange man just has to strongly denounce vaccine mandates
Which he already did. But like the people who demand "DENOUNCE WHITE SUPREMACY", you want him to dance for you whenever you demand it.
Trump's Pfizer and Moderna stock in his portfolio is more important to him than the lives of his most ardent supporters.
If anything, the lives of his most ardent supporters would be saved by taking the vaccine.
Every single person who is at risk of losing their job or has already lost their job over this shit vaccine mandate has a damn good reason to despise the orange buffoon now.
If the guy you supported twice, and for whose victory I remember you prayed, and for whom you denounced Mike Pence because he would not do what he did not have the authority to do, is now an "orange buffoon", you are a frivolous character.
You are being a retard if you think I am being frivolous about any of this.
So many of us are going to lose our livelihoods over this shitty vax.
Of course I am irate at the orange buffoon for constantly pushing OWS.
This vax doesn't prevent transmission or hospitalization or even death, it has likely caused more adverse reactions than it has saved anyone. 99.97 percent of people survive the wuflu anyway.
The shitty clotshot is completely unnecessary for pretty much everyone.
Trump is currently being a whore for big pharma. Of course I will call him out for it.
You will likely change your tune when you or someone you care about takes the clotshot and suffers adverse reactions.
You don't understand that this vaccine is not even a vaccine. It is a therapeutic that offers mediocre reduction of symptoms at best.
You are being a retard if you think I am being frivolous about any of this.
You are being frivolous if you go from strong support to calling him an "orange buffoon". If he is, presumably that did not happen when you happened to get upset at him for supposedly not speaking out against vaccine mandates, which you falsely alleged earlier.
This vax doesn't prevent transmission or hospitalization or even death
If you're going to cite such information, then you should cite them fully, not just the parts that are convenient to you. The vaccine cuts transmission, hospitalization, death and even infection significantly, even if not completely "preventing" them.
It's extraordinarily stupid to pretend that there are not large groups of people who benefit from it, and that's just your own selfishness in thinking only of your own interest.
it has likely caused more adverse reactions than it has saved anyone.
Show me.
You will likely change your tune when you or someone you care about takes the clotshot and suffers adverse reactions.
And now you're using the exact same kinds of arguments used by the Branch Covidians, which really shows that you're two sides of the same coin. They regularly tell me that I will change my tune if I get the Coronavirus.
It is a therapeutic that offers mediocre reduction of symptoms at best.
A 90% cut in hospitalizations and deaths is a pretty good 'reduction of symptoms'.
Do you think the 'the Vaxx is an illuminati depopulation plan!' crowd are gonna vote Democrat? No. Those people are Trump voters no matter what.
They're also fucking delusional.
The Vaccine was Trump's plan, from the beginning. The Democrats laughed in his face, called him a retard and told him it was utterly impossible. He initiated Operation Warp Speed to MAKE. IT. HAPPEN.
Then Biden 'wins' the election and... WOOSH! Everyone magically forgets who initiated the vaccine, and the media brainwashes the whole world - Trump supporters included, into thinking Vaccine = Left, No Vaccine = Right.
If Trump were president right now, the left would be SCREAMING about the dangers of the 'TRUMP VACCINE' non-stop, and, I suspect, you would be jabbed up to your eyeballs.
Some of us have worked in regulated industries and know that if something that normally takes > 3 years to get an approval takes less than one year, there are a lot of people under the gun to simply hit a date and taking a lot of shortcuts to do so.
I can't even imagine the sort of stress the scientists and engineers who made the vaccines were under to get it out the door.
There is a lot of work that goes into putting anything into mass production once you have something you think is ready to put into mass production, even if you completely ignore the regulatory aspect of things.
Some of us have worked in regulated industries and know that if something that normally takes > 3 years to get an approval takes less than one year, there are a lot of people under the gun to simply hit a date and taking a lot of shortcuts to do so.
Yes, because it's cost vs. benefits. You don't let the Coronavirus ravage through vulnerable populations for 3 more years because of stupid bureaucracy, and by the way, criticism of bureaucratic delays in approving medicine has been the right-wing position going back all the way to Ronald Reagan.
If in fact the purpose of the accelerated timeline was to protect vulnerable populations, that limitation needed to go into the Emergency Use Authorization; and it ought to have been limited to people >= 65 years of age and people in other at-risk populations. Instead governments started mandating everyone with a pulse get injected or lose their ability to participate in society and feed their families. That intended use results in a much different risk profile and a much different cost/benefit analysis, which to the extent it was eventually done was performed in a heavily politicized environment.
Beyond that, when you so drastically and so quickly change the regulatory environment as was done, it's difficult for everyone to acclimate themselves to the new environment. They either under-correct and are still too conservative for the new environment, or they over-correct and neglect things that are still actually important to patient safety. Or they first under-correct and then over-correct once they realize that they're acting too conservatively to hit project deadlines.
Instead governments started mandating everyone with a pulse get injected or lose their ability to participate in society and feed their families.
That seems to be more the problem than even limiting usage to people aged >= 65. There is no reason to deny a 50-year-old the vaccine if he wants it, considering that there have been people that age who got it and got terribly sick from it.
What I don't understand is why we get mostly glowies here calling the vaccine "poison vax" because they don't like mandates. Which, for work, is almost exclusively an American thing. As far as I know, no other country has mandated it for non-health care workers.
Beyond that, when you so drastically and so quickly change the regulatory environment as was done, it's difficult for everyone to acclimate themselves to the new environment. They either under-correct and are still too conservative for the new environment, or they over-correct and neglect things that are still actually important to patient safety.
If you're saying that people did not adjust to the facts and assume that approval means that vaccines are "safe and effective", as they keep endlessly repeating, then I agree.
But if it's a choice between alternatives, I'd still say that the emergency approval was a very good thing. Surely, you're not going to wait five years before approving a (probably by then obsolete with the new variants) vaccine when the virus is killing millions of people each year.
What I don't understand is why we get mostly glowies here calling the vaccine "poison vax"
The speed at which the approvals came combined with the hyper-politicized environment in which the approvals occurred where the vaccine was going to be our salvation and the way out of shutting down the economy. I believe the FDA was under enough political pressure to approve the vaccines that there is no way they would have withheld approval.
That alone was enough to make me shy away from it. Beyond that I thought it was weird that a bunch of coworkers the same age as I mentioned feeling so unwell after the second injection they couldn't work for a couple days. That didn't seem like a very good deal either, given my personal risk profile.
If you're saying that people did not adjust to the facts and assume that approval means that vaccines are "safe and effective", as they keep endlessly repeating, then I agree.
I mean the FDA and the medical industry in general abhors haste and is not well-practiced at making quick decisions. That industry is like playing Chess, whereas the vaccine development and approval process was like playing Speed Chess. The skill-sets are different, and a Chess player may not be very good at playing Speed Chess if he's never done it before.
The speed at which the approvals came combined with the hyper-politicized environment in which the approvals occurred where the vaccine was going to be our salvation and the way out of shutting down the economy. I believe the FDA was under enough political pressure to approve the vaccines that there is no way they would have withheld approval.
I don't know. But it's certainly a possibility. They certainly have less to lose if it turns out it has severe side-effects than the people taking it.
Beyond that I thought it was weird that a bunch of coworkers the same age as I mentioned feeling so unwell after the second injection they couldn't work for a couple days. That didn't seem like a very good deal either, given my personal risk profile.
Well, this is a smart way to deal with it. You're not going "VACCINE BAD" or "VACCINE GOOD", you're weighing risks vs. benefits. But I don't see that being very common. I see "safe and effective" vs. "poison vax/clot shot".
I mean the FDA and the medical industry in general abhors haste and is not well-practiced at making quick decisions. That industry is like playing Chess, whereas the vaccine development and approval process was like playing Speed Chess. The skill-sets are different, and a Chess player may not be very good at playing Speed Chess if he's never done it before.
But in this case, making decisions based on less evidence rather than the decisions themselves taking less time, right?
I can't even imagine the sort of stress the scientists and engineers who made the vaccines were under to get it out the door.
I would imagine that anyone on the team who raised too many concerns to anyone but the company higher-ups was quietly removed, and the ones who folllowed the 'appropriate channels' informed a room full of the company's executives, who then quizzed their lawyers and accountants to see how much money they could expect to be sued for/fined, and how much money they could expect to make.
"So we'll get fined a billion dollars 5 years from now, Who cares, we're gonna make 40 billion on this!"
I don't care about big pharma: I care about the grunts working for big pharma who get called into a room with their boss's boss telling them the vaccine will be approved by the deadline, with or without them. And who realize that if they do something unsafe, the regulator they'd normally whistleblow to is under the exact same pressure to approve the thing once it crosses their desk.
If Trump were president right now, the left would be SCREAMING about the dangers of the 'TRUMP VACCINE' non-stop, and, I suspect, you would be jabbed up to your eyeballs.
You call me crazy for refusing to take an experimental vaccine that has documented serious adverse effects?
I'm not calling you crazy for not taking a vaccine. I'm calling you crazy for calling it the 'poison vax'. Documented serious adverse effects, which may be the case for any vaccine, does not make it a 'poison vax'.
Gonna call me an anti-vaxxer next?
Since you only have questions about this vaccine, obviously not.
They really desperately want to believe that they are 'rational' by looking at random unverified, unreplicable 'studies' - precisely like the other side.
I'm sure he can afford to lose the constituency of 1 that claims "the vaccine was created by women to kill men". Warp Speed was a great success, and he definitely should take credit for creating the vaccines.
Also, don't link directly to corrupt 'news' sites, let alone ones that require me to accept cookies before viewing their trash.
Orange man won't shut up about bragging about OWS.
OWS is the worst thing he has ever done.
I won't be voting for him ever again. I kinda hope the globalists indict him at this rate.
Did you forget about the "Platinum Plan"? 5*10^11 dollars for negros, and not one penny for whites. Along with 10 billion dollars for Israel's wall, and then bragging about 5 million for the US one. Trump was always a backstabber.
And you guys wonder why you always lose. Because the slightest breath of dissent is responded to with "CONTROLLED OPPOSITION"!
Well, enjoy your country's downfall.
Bragging about creating shitty vaccines that are being mandated on us by the left is not the slightest breath of dissent, you reddit janny.
I defended him for fucking five years and voted for him twice. The orange man just has to strongly denounce vaccine mandates and encourage the rest of the right to fight it but he refuses to do it. Trump's Pfizer and Moderna stock in his portfolio is more important to him than the lives of his most ardent supporters.
Every single person who is at risk of losing their job or has already lost their job over this shit vaccine mandate has a damn good reason to despise the orange buffoon now.
He should brag about creating them. They did a great amount of good for old and vulnerable populations. Do you really think that other people taking that too far makes the thing itself bad?
Which he already did. But like the people who demand "DENOUNCE WHITE SUPREMACY", you want him to dance for you whenever you demand it.
If anything, the lives of his most ardent supporters would be saved by taking the vaccine.
If the guy you supported twice, and for whose victory I remember you prayed, and for whom you denounced Mike Pence because he would not do what he did not have the authority to do, is now an "orange buffoon", you are a frivolous character.
You are being a retard if you think I am being frivolous about any of this.
So many of us are going to lose our livelihoods over this shitty vax.
Of course I am irate at the orange buffoon for constantly pushing OWS.
This vax doesn't prevent transmission or hospitalization or even death, it has likely caused more adverse reactions than it has saved anyone. 99.97 percent of people survive the wuflu anyway.
The shitty clotshot is completely unnecessary for pretty much everyone.
Trump is currently being a whore for big pharma. Of course I will call him out for it.
You will likely change your tune when you or someone you care about takes the clotshot and suffers adverse reactions.
You don't understand that this vaccine is not even a vaccine. It is a therapeutic that offers mediocre reduction of symptoms at best.
You are being frivolous if you go from strong support to calling him an "orange buffoon". If he is, presumably that did not happen when you happened to get upset at him for supposedly not speaking out against vaccine mandates, which you falsely alleged earlier.
If you're going to cite such information, then you should cite them fully, not just the parts that are convenient to you. The vaccine cuts transmission, hospitalization, death and even infection significantly, even if not completely "preventing" them.
It's extraordinarily stupid to pretend that there are not large groups of people who benefit from it, and that's just your own selfishness in thinking only of your own interest.
Show me.
And now you're using the exact same kinds of arguments used by the Branch Covidians, which really shows that you're two sides of the same coin. They regularly tell me that I will change my tune if I get the Coronavirus.
A 90% cut in hospitalizations and deaths is a pretty good 'reduction of symptoms'.
Keep shilling for the vax.
I guess getting chump change from Pfizer and Moderna is worth selling your soul you mutt.
I guess this is what you are reduced to when you can't actually answer the arguments.
I was wondering why you hadn't called me a 'Big Pharma whore' yet.
What is this?
He's digging nothing.
Do you think the 'the Vaxx is an illuminati depopulation plan!' crowd are gonna vote Democrat? No. Those people are Trump voters no matter what.
They're also fucking delusional.
The Vaccine was Trump's plan, from the beginning. The Democrats laughed in his face, called him a retard and told him it was utterly impossible. He initiated Operation Warp Speed to MAKE. IT. HAPPEN.
Just one month before the Election we have Kamala Harris saying she doesn't trust the vaccine.
Then Biden 'wins' the election and... WOOSH! Everyone magically forgets who initiated the vaccine, and the media brainwashes the whole world - Trump supporters included, into thinking Vaccine = Left, No Vaccine = Right.
If Trump were president right now, the left would be SCREAMING about the dangers of the 'TRUMP VACCINE' non-stop, and, I suspect, you would be jabbed up to your eyeballs.
Some of us have worked in regulated industries and know that if something that normally takes > 3 years to get an approval takes less than one year, there are a lot of people under the gun to simply hit a date and taking a lot of shortcuts to do so.
I can't even imagine the sort of stress the scientists and engineers who made the vaccines were under to get it out the door.
My understanding is that it took them two days to synthesize the "vax" once they had the code for the spike protein from the CCP.
There is a lot of work that goes into putting anything into mass production once you have something you think is ready to put into mass production, even if you completely ignore the regulatory aspect of things.
Yes, because it's cost vs. benefits. You don't let the Coronavirus ravage through vulnerable populations for 3 more years because of stupid bureaucracy, and by the way, criticism of bureaucratic delays in approving medicine has been the right-wing position going back all the way to Ronald Reagan.
Ronald Reagan was a Hollywood scumfuck who pushed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury act which removed liability from vaccine manufacturers.
Fuck Reagan and his brand of "conservatism" which helped only companies and not people.
So now you're against polio, mumps, etc. vaccines as well?
I am against vaccine manufacturers being completely shielded from all liability which is the result of the NCVI act passed by Reagan.
Did I say I was against the polio, MMR vaccines? No I didn't.
I don't know enough to say if I'm against it or not, other than the fact that it sounds fishy.
Good.
If in fact the purpose of the accelerated timeline was to protect vulnerable populations, that limitation needed to go into the Emergency Use Authorization; and it ought to have been limited to people >= 65 years of age and people in other at-risk populations. Instead governments started mandating everyone with a pulse get injected or lose their ability to participate in society and feed their families. That intended use results in a much different risk profile and a much different cost/benefit analysis, which to the extent it was eventually done was performed in a heavily politicized environment.
Beyond that, when you so drastically and so quickly change the regulatory environment as was done, it's difficult for everyone to acclimate themselves to the new environment. They either under-correct and are still too conservative for the new environment, or they over-correct and neglect things that are still actually important to patient safety. Or they first under-correct and then over-correct once they realize that they're acting too conservatively to hit project deadlines.
That seems to be more the problem than even limiting usage to people aged >= 65. There is no reason to deny a 50-year-old the vaccine if he wants it, considering that there have been people that age who got it and got terribly sick from it.
What I don't understand is why we get mostly glowies here calling the vaccine "poison vax" because they don't like mandates. Which, for work, is almost exclusively an American thing. As far as I know, no other country has mandated it for non-health care workers.
If you're saying that people did not adjust to the facts and assume that approval means that vaccines are "safe and effective", as they keep endlessly repeating, then I agree.
But if it's a choice between alternatives, I'd still say that the emergency approval was a very good thing. Surely, you're not going to wait five years before approving a (probably by then obsolete with the new variants) vaccine when the virus is killing millions of people each year.
The speed at which the approvals came combined with the hyper-politicized environment in which the approvals occurred where the vaccine was going to be our salvation and the way out of shutting down the economy. I believe the FDA was under enough political pressure to approve the vaccines that there is no way they would have withheld approval.
That alone was enough to make me shy away from it. Beyond that I thought it was weird that a bunch of coworkers the same age as I mentioned feeling so unwell after the second injection they couldn't work for a couple days. That didn't seem like a very good deal either, given my personal risk profile.
I mean the FDA and the medical industry in general abhors haste and is not well-practiced at making quick decisions. That industry is like playing Chess, whereas the vaccine development and approval process was like playing Speed Chess. The skill-sets are different, and a Chess player may not be very good at playing Speed Chess if he's never done it before.
I don't know. But it's certainly a possibility. They certainly have less to lose if it turns out it has severe side-effects than the people taking it.
Well, this is a smart way to deal with it. You're not going "VACCINE BAD" or "VACCINE GOOD", you're weighing risks vs. benefits. But I don't see that being very common. I see "safe and effective" vs. "poison vax/clot shot".
But in this case, making decisions based on less evidence rather than the decisions themselves taking less time, right?
I would imagine that anyone on the team who raised too many concerns to anyone but the company higher-ups was quietly removed, and the ones who folllowed the 'appropriate channels' informed a room full of the company's executives, who then quizzed their lawyers and accountants to see how much money they could expect to be sued for/fined, and how much money they could expect to make.
"So we'll get fined a billion dollars 5 years from now, Who cares, we're gonna make 40 billion on this!"
I don't care about big pharma: I care about the grunts working for big pharma who get called into a room with their boss's boss telling them the vaccine will be approved by the deadline, with or without them. And who realize that if they do something unsafe, the regulator they'd normally whistleblow to is under the exact same pressure to approve the thing once it crosses their desk.
monkey paw activates
I guarantee it.
Almost everyone refusing to take the poison vax would still not take the poison regardless of which clown is President. Whether it be Biden or Trump.
Maybe you are crazy enough to call it the 'poison vax' if Trump were president, but few others.
What makes you different from the MSM?
You call me crazy for refusing to take an experimental vaccine that has documented serious adverse effects?
Gonna call me an anti-vaxxer next?
If you can't see that.
I'm not calling you crazy for not taking a vaccine. I'm calling you crazy for calling it the 'poison vax'. Documented serious adverse effects, which may be the case for any vaccine, does not make it a 'poison vax'.
Since you only have questions about this vaccine, obviously not.
I'm getting a chuckle over these downvotes. Pure denial. And possibly a Biden glowie here or there,
They really desperately want to believe that they are 'rational' by looking at random unverified, unreplicable 'studies' - precisely like the other side.
Muh both sides Muh enlightened centrism What a pathetic mutt
"Don't call out my hypocrisy, because that's muh both sides."
I can't believe such a big guy is afraid of so small a needle.
I'm sure he can afford to lose the constituency of 1 that claims "the vaccine was created by women to kill men". Warp Speed was a great success, and he definitely should take credit for creating the vaccines.
Also, don't link directly to corrupt 'news' sites, let alone ones that require me to accept cookies before viewing their trash.
Maybe it would have been if only the sick and elderly had been vaxxed. As it is it seems to have just replaced alpha with delta.
He really has some terrible advisors.
Will his current supporters abandon him for doing and saying this?
I would wager the political up side is greater than the down side.
I was one of his most ardent supporters. Not anymore.
His pushing the vax rhetoric kinda makes me hope that the Democrats indict him over false charges and he rots in jail.
What's the alternative? Vote Trump or vote Biden/Harris? Perhaps no vote? What do you do? DeSantis is not going to really challenge Trump. What then?
I hope that Trump doesn't run in 2024 due to whatever reason.
If he runs, I can only speak for myself but I won't be voting for him again and I will never vote Dem so I guess I will be staying home.
I'm thinking for every one vote lost or stays home, he is going to get 2-3 votes because Biden is so bad.
Normies will still crawl over broken glass to vote against Trump despite the current resident being the worst resident of DC.
They have an irrational hatred of Trump. These people are cultural Dems. They may bitch about old dementia but they still won't vote Trump.
My opinion of Trump only changed when he kept pushing the vax.
Trump in 2024 definitely loses people like me, and he won't be able to get new votes of any normie who voted for Joe.
Trump in 2024 will be a guaranteed loss for all of us on the right. This is why I sincerely hope Trump doesn't run.