Insightful post on the zoomer generation and the internet
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I tried online dating for a while. Now I don’t deny it can be rough for women with dirty comments but in the sense of opportunity an average looking woman will get a ton of messages. I could send like 100 messages and be lucky to get 5 responses.
If you've ever seen a girls tinder you'll never use the app again.
Just wanted to reply to emphasize this.
About 5 years ago now I was new at a job in Seoul, South Korea, and I was trying to get to know my new coworkers. I'd quickly learn they were the typical early/mid 20s vapid SoCal types, but MAN, I was blown away.
I shared a cab with these two girls on the way over to Hongdae or Itaewon (Can't remember) and just watched them open their Tinder and interact with it.
Where any guy might take a little time and parse through girls, maybe send a message on one or two people -- these girls were just LEFT LEFT LEFT LEFT LEFT LEFT LEFT LEFT LEFT LEFT LEFT LEFT LEFT LEFT LEFT... "oh, he's cute" RIGHT LEFT LEFT LEFT LEFT LEFT LEFT LEFT LEFT LEFT -- in about 12 seconds.
Then they bemoaned how the radius was only 200km or whatever.
The moment really stayed with me because I knew that's how it was, but it was totally wild seeing it live.
Kind of ironic I met my wife on Tinder a few years later (it's the only real way to date in Korea for expats. My wife is not American, though).
Man, just the thought of seeing that right in front of me makes me want to just drop everything and join a monastery. Maybe Mt. Athos.
That's kind of how I felt. I knew I was in this weird grey area where I was a male coworker, so I was outside of this lover/friend circle and they could let their guard down a bit.
The rest of the conversation was just as wild. "Oh, I thought you were staying at Guy A's apartment" "Oh, no, only when I don't want to pay for a taxi. I'm really more interested in Guy B but ... blah blah blah"
Just completely wild seeing and hearing behind the curtain. Repulsive, too, imo.
I dated a woman who had a few younger sisters and younger cousins, I was in the inner circle too. God it is insane. Like a new guy every weekend from the time they are 18 in college until they start seriously dating someone to marry at 27±, likely even earlier than college too. I knew a girl whos older cousin used to take her clubbing at age 14, she was "stacked" enough that she passed for 18. They short term date some guy because their friends like him. Get a few STDs, thankfully curable or you lie by omission. The hubby that she dates for 1 year then marries doesnt know about her past, or maybe he doesnt want to know, or accepts it.
Im leaning towards "accepting it" because I have heard from a few coworkers who were getting off early from work were told to tell their wives they are coming home early, because they dont want "any surprises" when they get home.
The stories, oh god the stories.... lost condom that was found 2 days later, "I tore his foreskin", "i bought this stranger a drink so he gave me free coke", "laughed out of bed for having a small dick", the sorority challenges of banging multiple guys, the "rugburn challenge" (who can get the biggest rugburn on her back), the sorority event gift box that includes a set of fuzzy handcuffs, the passing the hot guy around to the entire sorority, the "entire sports team" challenge..... its just ..... who wants a woman like that for more than a good time. That is all those women will ever be good for. Its so normal to them because all of their friends participate in the same behavior so they see no problem with it. These women get married to normal good guys. Its just a giant facade.
Ive been so disgusted I havent dated in 5 years, despite being what these desperate late 20s early 30s women want: tall, in shape, blonde, green eyed, wealthy. I had one a friend of a friend that apparently i was unknowingly getting too close to offered to pay for an airplane ticket to fly me out to her on her vacation. She was in the military, was in a sorority in college, works in a male dominated field, was previously married... all the red flags. Hell no! no no no!
Here's an example of that, from a hambeast no less.
Disgusting animals lmao
There was a guy a few years ago who did an experiment on tinder where he set up two. One was with a super attractive physically fit guy, and the other was with a girl who was between a 4, and 6 aesthetically by today’s standards at best. She was even slightly overweight. The disparity of attention, and responses was astounding. I wish I could find the one I’m talking about. I think it’s been done a few times by now though.
r/Chadfishing was similar.
Don't use free dating sites. Do not. You'd probably get Chlamydia just looking at the screen too hard.
Not gonna PL too hard, but I did eventually find success with online dating after a lot of soul-crushing failure. The trick was to use a reputable site and just be honest as hell. I know a lot of people think "women like confidence" is a PUA meme, but it's true. I wrote my profile in a way I was sure would scare away every woman on the planet. Not because it was creepy or scary, but because I basically just said "here's what I want, if you don't fit the description, fuck off".
Every millennial or younger man is a timid half-person who gets no respect because they command no respect. Women absolutely crave a strong presence in their men. That's all you really need to know.
That's the thing with PUAs -- they aren't wrong. What they do works, but it is a fair bit manipulative.
Men being confident attracts women. Appearances only matter so much (whereas they matter a lot in the other direction). I wouldn't consider myself particularly attractive in large part because I'm overweight, but I never really had a ton of difficulty in finding girls.
I very much just don't give a fuck about the games and am always willing to walk away from a shit deal. Women see confidence, and I don't end up wasting my time.
PUAs are so interesting, though - because they show there's a biological basis to gender and attraction, which flies in the face of everything academia wants you to believe.
Women are just as bad at the manipulation as PUAs are.
True to an extent.
But I think the difference is -- women's manipulative tendencies are part of the biological processes in their brain. It's a survival mechanism above all else.
PUAs aren't operating on a survival instinct - they're essentially taking biology, understanding it, and finding out how they can manipulate it into a desired response.
Worse. PUA is learned. Women just know for birth how to pull those strings.
The overwhelming majority of women live lies 24/7 through wearing makeup, and countless other examples of physical enhancements.
Definitely. I’ve used ehatmony and met some ladies but you are right. A ton of effort.
Not to encourage you degenerates that can’t meet people at school or work, but eharmony is definitely worth looking at. I know some folks that were successful through it in that they have families now and they’re all kinda cultish about it still.
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That’s the one I’ve used. But as I’ve gotten older I have been better about meeting women in real life
What was the quality of people you saw on eHarmony? Won't be dating for a few years yet (school etc) but figured eHarmony would be worth a shot, as far as dating sites go. Assuming they don't make it Tinder-like in the next few years.
I remember me and a friend setting up an account for another friend on Christian Mingle and Plentyoffish and...well, I was surprised at the number of single mom's and women "ready to settle down" we saw on both sites.
What was the "reputable" site? They all seem like trash to me
I'm pretty paranoid when it comes to PLing, so I'll just say it was one of the big ones. All of the top sites that have a subscription fee are good.
Also, pay a-fucking-ttention to the women around you when you're in public. You know that old trope about guys being oblivious when women are hitting on them? You'd be amazed how true it is.
Just don't be stupid and jump in bed with the first Thot you catch making a pass at you, either.
What’s PUA?
I have a friend that was using Tinder, the guy is a classical good looking guy so he had a lot of hits. But the girls he ended up sleeping with were all nut jobs. Either huge daddy issues, sluts or mental cases. He only used it for meaningless sex so I guess it worked out for him.
Redpoll moment for me was when a friend told me it was safer to occasionally pay for escorts than to fuck around on dating sites if you’re just looking for sex. I was disgusted at first but when he explained that if you exercise discretion and choose escorts who operate professionally, you’re less likely by far to catch an std because they’re less likely to have had drunken unprotected hookups. I’ll take his word for it but after thinking about it for a bit and reflecting on some of the sloots I encountered during a year I was single a while ago, I realized he was probably right.
Its also a question of time vs money. If you are hot enough to make the time spent seducing her less the cost of the escort (relative to your valued dollar per hour amount) it might be a better cost to take those sloots. But for average men its likely cheaper for the escort.
And unfortunately current year, that’s the rule and not the exception.