Another brain teaser for the would-be communists.
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Ayn Rand has this one right. The unions/commies are never there when the business is starting up and 95% of them fail in the first two years. They only show up once a business is shown to be successful.
They never want to take risks, innovate or build things up. They just feel entitled to putting their candy asses into the already well-running stuff. Greedy, lazy, stupid fucks.
Workers can certainly own the means of production... as long as they put up the capital to start production.
Ayn Rand: "There are three kinds of people in this world: Creators, Parasites and Thieves."
You're absolutely right, but it's a back and forth problem.
The company founder worked 80/week for years to make his company succeed and now 2 multimillion dollar houses, 8 cars, etc. He's actually a pretty nice guy but seems to be completely and utterly baffled as to why the people he hired aren't eagerly making the same sacrifice - for $15 - $40 an hour.
Both the commies and the rich company founders tend to have the same vibe trying to discuss the subject, and they're both completely out of touch with what it's actually like for the other people.
Another weird thing about company founders is that they always think they want to hire other people just like themselves but then can never get along with them. Sometimes there's 1 (steve jobs) and sometimes there's 2 (bill gates and steve balmer) but I never see more than 2. You can't have the intense identity-base style of work with more people than that, and they always seem to be angry about that reality.
The commies are way to far on the other side but the "company founder" thing has it's own viewpoint issues that create this back and forth.
Fuck corporatism. Strangely when I googled how to spell that word, Google explained it as diversity and inclusivity. Yet when I used duckduckgo, it gave the proper definition.
It's called a co-op. Oh, you can sign up for a gas co-op in some places, and you might find it a bit cheaper ... until something goes wrong with the lines and you get a surprise on your bill.
Westjet employees also found this out the hard way once, iirc. Their paycheques got a big hit after 9/11 when flying wasn't so popular for a while.
If big banks have losses, then that loss is outsourced to the taxpayer.
Banks Never Lose.
"If you deny me public services because I'm not vaxxed then my taxes need to be eliminated."
I wonder if it ever occurred to them. If they really believe in worker ownership over the companies, they are free to buy stocks in the stock market.
a lot of companies do ESOP programs which is exactly that: you get shares in the company directly affected by your actions as an employee.
If they make loses its cause of a competitor which they will then try to hijack or destroy using either the govt or a corporate monopoly
yeah sorry, you are going to have to work 70 hours a week and get paid the same to make up for the Q2 losses we had.
We cant pay you this month, we are having a cash flow issue with our clients not paying us until the end of the month.
Imagine the soycialists accepting that. But no, They flipped a burger so now they should own McDicks.
Yeah always laugh at the trope of "businesses are socialist with loss and captialist with gains." Yes, maybe being fired or having hours cut is exactly the same as being responsible for any outstanding balances.
There won't be profits if the CEO gets paid the same as the burger flipper, you want have a CEO.
Go to consume product.win, Much better place
And what about utilities and essential services? Do the trash collectors get to keep all the trash they want? Do water company workers get to take a cut of water to sell on the side, $60 a gallon to the dipshit at the pizzeria who voted for this system because he thought he'd make $75/hr?
CEOs sign contracts for the pay they get and is approved by the board of a publicly traded company.
I read that as: oligarch gets his pay approved by other oligarchs.
Needs more context maybe. Whatever