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Don't fall for their lies - here's a video of Che Guevara disavowing socialism and communism (web.archive.org)
posted 4 years ago by NoEyesNoGroin 4 years ago by NoEyesNoGroin +55 / -0
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– FrostedCricketFlakes 22 points 4 years ago +22 / -0

Communism is the goal, Socialism is the method. Once there's no more conflict, and no more scarcity, achieved through socialism, humans can finally have communism. Communism is the big lie.

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– AntonioOfVenice 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

Actually, socialism is the 'middle stage' according to their ideas.

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– CIAMM 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

What's the initial stage? (La Revolucion?)

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– AntonioOfVenice 6 points 4 years ago +6 / -0

Something like slavery>feudalism>capitalism>socialism>communism. The Great Leap Forward was supposed to take China from socialism to communism. Note that this is the classification according to Marxists and it may not match up with how these terms are used by others, e.g. they call every society that relies on agriculture 'feudal' even when it has nothing to do with feudalism.

Lenin and his followers were heretics from Marxism in that they held that you can skip the capitalist/bourgeois democracy stage and 'telescope' history (to socialism) as they called it. The more doctrinaire Marxists, the Mensheviks, ironically supported the liberals like the Kadets because they thought that was necessary for Russia at that moment. They tend to be less dangerous for that reason.

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– AntonioOfVenice 16 points 4 years ago +16 / -0

According to the tweet, it's Fidel Castro and not Che Guevara. So which is it?

And Fidel denied being a communist even after coming to power. Some historians even believe that he was sincere, and that the US Bay of Pigs invasion drive him into the arms of the USSR. I think that is fairly unlikely though. There is a long history of communists using broad-based movements to advance their own agenda, including the Spanish case and the Vietcong (the NLF was not officially communist but ecumenical).

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– cartoonericroberts 34 points 4 years ago +34 / -0

It's obviously Fidel Castro based on his striking resemblance to Justin Trudeau.

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– JustHereForTheSalmon 14 points 4 years ago +14 / -0

Fidel's revolution immediately went communist after coming to power. The communist party was legalized, the executions started, and the nationalization of farmland all happened within 6 months of January 8th, 1959.

Bay of Pigs was April 1961.

So, in other words, communist sympathizers masquerading as historical experts push the idea that Castro was sincere and it was the mean ol' USA that pushed them communist.

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– Assassin47 10 points 4 years ago +10 / -0

Whatever Cuba is, I don't want it.

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– AntonioOfVenice 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

I may have been unclear.

The question was not whether Castro was a communist. The question is whether he turned communist in 1961, or whether he was one all along.

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– BrainJuice 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

It might have been a mixture of things.

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– krzyzowiec 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

He lied in order to deceive the churches into supporting him. He knew saying that he was a communist outright would lose him the support of the Christians. It's just that after he was elected, he made sure he didn't need their support any longer.

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– NoEyesNoGroin [S] 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Lmao, sorry. I can't believe I missed that.

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– nautica 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Maybe Fidel Castro just was a cabal.

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– NoEyesNoGroin [S] 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Brain fart in title, this is Fidel Castro as the tweet says.

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