They think that a much larger percentage of the population are gay or "lean gay" than everyone lets on. Those kids just need to be educated (read: groomed) to understand their sexuality.
On the other hand, they insist someone couldn't possibly think they're gay without it being true. I remember some famous lesbian comedian saying "I knew my sexual orientation from a young age. I tried to ignore my feelings but they wouldn't go away. No teen would ever want to be gay or lesbian."
Which was unbelievable to me even as a preteen, when tons of girls in school were already bragging about being lesbian or bisexual with no pushback from any other kids or adults.
Now my nieces are "non binary" whatever the fuck that means.
My shitpost take is it translates to "look at me"
More serious shitpost, having a "gEnDeR" is chic right now so if you're a tomboy and aren't fully duped into thinking you're actually supposed to be a man then you say you're the next level down, non-binary.
It's all bullshit and really lets you know who to avoid, which is nice, but ugh. Yet more proof of the ongoing tomboycide
The study you're referring to about the supposed "gay genes" they found in adults is based on epicgenetics, or gene expression occurring from chronic behavior. Majority of the gays were heavy substance users, and much like porn or fighting or anything that alters phenotypes through repetition, addiction, or habit-forming routines, there are alterations in gene expression from homosexuals.
Liken it to the way a heroin addict's neurophysiology changes after becoming addicted. Common sense tells us there is no heroin gene people are born with, but rather gene expression changes after the habit-forming addiction becomes part of their behavior. It's the exact same way with homosexuality, or porn addiction, which also changes the brain's chemistry.
There also seems to be a correlation between boys being abused by men that leads to boys being gay or bisexual.
Molestation and abuse in young boys completely disrupts their sexual orientation, or rather disorients them. It's another added reason why they become such heavy substance abusers.
Have you seen what churches call "conversion therapy" most of the time?
They just put a bunch of obviously gay people in the congregation together for a weekend every month. Sometime they have plays and musicals.
Guess why this doesn't fucking work.
Honestly, seeing gay conversion therapy convinced me that some portion of it has to be genetic, because there's no more obvious of a conclusion that you can draw from a bunch of obviously gay men writing musicals about how they're not gay.
Similar tactics seem like they’d work in reverse. Find a gay person, forcibly isolate them from the gay community both online and in real life, provide them friendship and make them feel good and welcomed, only let them be around straight people, force them to disassociate with their gay friends, and gradually expose them to the sexual content about the opposite sex and make sure they are aroused when watching it.
That is... not what I thought conversion therapy would be. It also raises a whole ton of ethical questions about training/detraining people's sexuality like lab rats...
Similar tactics seem like they’d work in reverse. Find a gay person, forcibly isolate them from the gay community both online and in real life, provide them friendship and make them feel good and welcomed, only let them be around straight people, force them to disassociate with their gay friends, and gradually expose them to the sexual content about the opposite sex and make sure they are aroused when watching it. The last step is how fetishes are created: people jerk off to ever weirder porn and associate the content they are watching with being aroused, causing them to become aroused whenever they see the content (essentially Pavlov’s dog for sex).
I don't really believe that because of the inverse of Sparta.
Basically Sparta was aggressively Gay. Genuinely so gay it seemed to endanger it's population, made it's women absolutely infamous, heterosexual sex still existed.
The dominant culture in Sparta was explicitly pedatrist. All Spartan boys grew up in that environment. Although homosexuality was effectively a cultural imperative, and it caused significant consequences for Sparta itself, heterosexuality never fully ceased. We can assume heterosexuality is a biological imperative through genetics. No amount of acculturation could change that in Sparta, and they are one of the most extreme possible examples. They still had kids, they still fucked women, they raped women, heterosexuality can't be taught out.
Similarly, there are gay men you genuinely can't and won't convert. This is because they are genuinely gay. We do find homosexuality in nonhuman populations, but it is very rare.
All you're really doing is saying you can groom someone into behaving as a homosexual or heterosexual. And I agree, for some segment of the population you can. However, for other portions, you will not. These portions who can't be groomed either way are the ones that are genuinely heterosexual or homosexual.
Since stuff like Scientology exists and works, where normal people are convinced of increasingly crazy things
That is a very different concept. You're talking about rationalization. Yeah you can rationalize anything to anyone. But that doesn't necessarily alter biological imperatives.
This is actually the point of my comparison. You can't groom and indoctrinate genuinely gay men into being straight, because they genuinely aren't straight, in the same way you can't do the opposite. Even if you groom and indoctrinate someone into consciously repeating your mantras & narratives about how they are definitely not straight, and you condition them to be disgusted by the female form, they will still have unconscious proclivities towards the feminine form or femininity because heterosexual regardless of your conditioning. Instead, you will get them creating pathologies and co-dependencies to resolve the internal cognitive dissonance of a conscious mind telling them to be repulsed by women, and an unconscious desire for them.
We know for a fact that the reverse is true. People are not absolutely malliable.
Your only real success stories from conversion, are going to come from bisexuals who won't mind.
In regards to claims that one thing involving sexuality can be changed and one thing cannot, these people do not realize there is no middle ground when it comes to the idea that sexuality can be changed.
The idea that sexuality cannot be changed is ironically less damaging then the other way around because that is how pedos get back into congregations after getting caught, and it's also how the gay conversion therapy bullshit uses false positives involving bisexuals and straight people to promote itself.
Hetero-conversion is okay for them because they believe that heterosexuals are "oppressing" homosexuals.
Also, since the 1980s they've been using the myth that they're "born gay" to avoid (rightful) religious persecution.
Claiming that they were "born gay" meant that they could use the excuse that "God made them that way" and it was a lead-in to eventually forcing gay marriage into law.
Precisely, and what's more is that what phenotypes they have observed is always done after behavioral changes have been induced to stimulate gene expression.
What we'll never see are studies examining the allele strands allegedly associated with this mythical gay gene during the pre/perinatal state of development.
They absolutely should be persecuted for grooming and indoctrination children, invading the education system to spread their propaganda, and for trying to normalize a deviant lifestyle.
Everything Conservative Christians feared happening is happening right now. None of it is good.
"They absolutely should be persecuted for grooming and indoctrination children, invading the education system to spread their propaganda, and for trying to normalize a deviant lifestyle."
They should, but not by idiotic Religious people. People who believe in fairies should be silent and remain in the background.
This begs the question: If gays can turn straight children gay, why do they insist gays cannot be turned straight?
They think that a much larger percentage of the population are gay or "lean gay" than everyone lets on. Those kids just need to be educated (read: groomed) to understand their sexuality.
On the other hand, they insist someone couldn't possibly think they're gay without it being true. I remember some famous lesbian comedian saying "I knew my sexual orientation from a young age. I tried to ignore my feelings but they wouldn't go away. No teen would ever want to be gay or lesbian."
Which was unbelievable to me even as a preteen, when tons of girls in school were already bragging about being lesbian or bisexual with no pushback from any other kids or adults.
My shitpost take is it translates to "look at me"
More serious shitpost, having a "gEnDeR" is chic right now so if you're a tomboy and aren't fully duped into thinking you're actually supposed to be a man then you say you're the next level down, non-binary.
It's all bullshit and really lets you know who to avoid, which is nice, but ugh. Yet more proof of the ongoing tomboycide
As far as I know it was proven that there is no gay gene, is a combination of genes and environmental.
There also seems to be a correlation between boys being abused by men that leads to boys being gay or bisexual.
There never was and never will be any innate genes related to homosexuality, since it's entirely behavioral.
I made a lengthy post explaining why. EDIT: here's the link: https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/12ih0L7Pvj/x/c/4J9MIRY3usP?d=50
The study you're referring to about the supposed "gay genes" they found in adults is based on epicgenetics, or gene expression occurring from chronic behavior. Majority of the gays were heavy substance users, and much like porn or fighting or anything that alters phenotypes through repetition, addiction, or habit-forming routines, there are alterations in gene expression from homosexuals.
Liken it to the way a heroin addict's neurophysiology changes after becoming addicted. Common sense tells us there is no heroin gene people are born with, but rather gene expression changes after the habit-forming addiction becomes part of their behavior. It's the exact same way with homosexuality, or porn addiction, which also changes the brain's chemistry.
Not just a correlation, a fundamental foundation of causation: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11501300/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9127231/
Molestation and abuse in young boys completely disrupts their sexual orientation, or rather disorients them. It's another added reason why they become such heavy substance abusers.
Ahaha... yes, exactly.
You won't find a gay gene. You're describing an evolved trait, that makes people not reproduce. It can't exist.
Have you seen what churches call "conversion therapy" most of the time?
They just put a bunch of obviously gay people in the congregation together for a weekend every month. Sometime they have plays and musicals.
Guess why this doesn't fucking work.
Honestly, seeing gay conversion therapy convinced me that some portion of it has to be genetic, because there's no more obvious of a conclusion that you can draw from a bunch of obviously gay men writing musicals about how they're not gay.
That is... not what I thought conversion therapy would be. It also raises a whole ton of ethical questions about training/detraining people's sexuality like lab rats...
I don't really believe that because of the inverse of Sparta.
Basically Sparta was aggressively Gay. Genuinely so gay it seemed to endanger it's population, made it's women absolutely infamous, heterosexual sex still existed.
The dominant culture in Sparta was explicitly pedatrist. All Spartan boys grew up in that environment. Although homosexuality was effectively a cultural imperative, and it caused significant consequences for Sparta itself, heterosexuality never fully ceased. We can assume heterosexuality is a biological imperative through genetics. No amount of acculturation could change that in Sparta, and they are one of the most extreme possible examples. They still had kids, they still fucked women, they raped women, heterosexuality can't be taught out.
Similarly, there are gay men you genuinely can't and won't convert. This is because they are genuinely gay. We do find homosexuality in nonhuman populations, but it is very rare.
All you're really doing is saying you can groom someone into behaving as a homosexual or heterosexual. And I agree, for some segment of the population you can. However, for other portions, you will not. These portions who can't be groomed either way are the ones that are genuinely heterosexual or homosexual.
That is a very different concept. You're talking about rationalization. Yeah you can rationalize anything to anyone. But that doesn't necessarily alter biological imperatives.
This is actually the point of my comparison. You can't groom and indoctrinate genuinely gay men into being straight, because they genuinely aren't straight, in the same way you can't do the opposite. Even if you groom and indoctrinate someone into consciously repeating your mantras & narratives about how they are definitely not straight, and you condition them to be disgusted by the female form, they will still have unconscious proclivities towards the feminine form or femininity because heterosexual regardless of your conditioning. Instead, you will get them creating pathologies and co-dependencies to resolve the internal cognitive dissonance of a conscious mind telling them to be repulsed by women, and an unconscious desire for them.
We know for a fact that the reverse is true. People are not absolutely malliable.
Your only real success stories from conversion, are going to come from bisexuals who won't mind.
Yup.
84% of bisexuals end up in heterosexual relationships: https://archive.is/yfCCF
Interestingly enough Pew had the original report removed and wiped clean from the Wayback Machine.
There is not a chance that information is correct. Literally, not a chance.
Far more likely that the number of genuine gays and straights declare that they are straight after 30 years is probably under half.
In regards to claims that one thing involving sexuality can be changed and one thing cannot, these people do not realize there is no middle ground when it comes to the idea that sexuality can be changed.
The idea that sexuality cannot be changed is ironically less damaging then the other way around because that is how pedos get back into congregations after getting caught, and it's also how the gay conversion therapy bullshit uses false positives involving bisexuals and straight people to promote itself.
Hetero-conversion is okay for them because they believe that heterosexuals are "oppressing" homosexuals.
Also, since the 1980s they've been using the myth that they're "born gay" to avoid (rightful) religious persecution.
Claiming that they were "born gay" meant that they could use the excuse that "God made them that way" and it was a lead-in to eventually forcing gay marriage into law.
You can read up on how that myth got started here: https://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/08a/born_gay_hoax/TheBornGayHoax.pdf
But at the same time, they have no qualms about bombarding everyone with hetero-conversion propaganda.
The worst part about it is that a LOT of people are dumb enough to fall for their agitprop.
Ironically almost all scientific studies have found that there is no "gay" gene.
Precisely, and what's more is that what phenotypes they have observed is always done after behavioral changes have been induced to stimulate gene expression.
What we'll never see are studies examining the allele strands allegedly associated with this mythical gay gene during the pre/perinatal state of development.
""born gay" to avoid (rightful) religious persecution." Rightful? Really bro? No one should be persecuted by people who believe in a fairy.
They absolutely should be persecuted for grooming and indoctrination children, invading the education system to spread their propaganda, and for trying to normalize a deviant lifestyle.
Everything Conservative Christians feared happening is happening right now. None of it is good.
"They absolutely should be persecuted for grooming and indoctrination children, invading the education system to spread their propaganda, and for trying to normalize a deviant lifestyle."
They should, but not by idiotic Religious people. People who believe in fairies should be silent and remain in the background.