Yes, And according to some info I looked up, the last major Norwegian stakeholder sold off in 2016, much later than I thought. I had lost interest in the browser many years before because it seemed to me to be getting buggier and less original as time went on. "Chrome but worse" instead of its own thing.
I was a huge Opera fan from 2000 - 2010, and it was a bitter breakup for me.
I like it quite a lot as well, but some releases fall apart on me from time to time and I have to shelve it until they patch their problems back out. A few cycles of that and I went to Marmaduke Chromium (community version with all google integrations patched out). But I still keep an install of Vivaldi around to play with.
Because I (like many) dumped firefox for opera because firefox's threading was so terrible that you couldn't run more than a few tabs without crushing windows.
Devout Opera user here. I guess I'll have to move to Brave? Serious question. At this point what the hell difference does it make? You really think they can't spy on you if they want to. I'm all for making it harder on them, but that does nothing in the end.
Depends on who you think is spying on you and who you want to reduce. Who is "they"?
The government is spying on you always and collecting everything you do. You can do little about that except encrypt your traffic until it gets outside your borders (then a foreign govt. will spy on you). The govt. is aided in spying by secret demands to companies like Google for the data they harvest. That is where you can effect greater change.
Instead of using Chrome which funnels everything you do back to Google use another browser. Then Google only harvests through your use of their services and their spying code, such as Google Analytics (GA), embedded into other websites. Reduce that some more by blocking GA in one way or another to prevent that spying: ad blocking, no javascript, take your pick. Reduce the amount of data you give to Google through use of their services: use another search engine; use another email service. Avoid Youtube where possible. Look for your favorite people elsewhere. Try the slightly unreliable Invidious front end.
Facebook is probably just as much a problem as Google. There is the website itself to avoid however you also need to avoid Facebook's "share" code put on other pages which still tracks you even if you don't have an account. They build a "shadow profile" for those without an account. They also own Instagram and Whatsapp so if you use them you are still using Facebook.
There are much more hidden companies that are probably spying on you. Cloudflare in an infamous example. They sit in the middle of many connections, even so-called secure ones (https), to provide DDOS protection and up-time reliability. This might be impossible to avoid as a user because you can't control how a website owner configures their systems. It sometimes looks as impossible to void as govt. surveillance.
Most people aren't aware the PRC controls Opera, I've use it for years and this is the first I've heard of it.
The Opera devs were bought out and went on to make Vivaldi. Opera has been scuffed for around 8 years.
Wasn't it made by Norwegians originally? Guess that was a looong time ago.
Yes, And according to some info I looked up, the last major Norwegian stakeholder sold off in 2016, much later than I thought. I had lost interest in the browser many years before because it seemed to me to be getting buggier and less original as time went on. "Chrome but worse" instead of its own thing.
I was a huge Opera fan from 2000 - 2010, and it was a bitter breakup for me.
Holy shit no wonder I like Vivaldi so much.
Use ublock origin instead of the built-in adblocker, it's way better. Downside of Vivaldi is, they are not as dedicated to privacy as Brave is.
Everywhere I go is demonetized so I never get ads.
I will consider it, though.
I like it quite a lot as well, but some releases fall apart on me from time to time and I have to shelve it until they patch their problems back out. A few cycles of that and I went to Marmaduke Chromium (community version with all google integrations patched out). But I still keep an install of Vivaldi around to play with.
IDK. I've never had an issue with it. I'm probably not pushing it to it's limits though.
Gotcha.
Same, I had no idea PRC controls Opera, and I worked with it for a long time.
Okay...
Chrome is out, Edge is out, Firefox is out, Opera is out...
So what the fuck is left?
Brave.
Duckduckgo gives money to democrats.
I'm trying startpage.
Startpage is just google redirected.
I use these depending on what I'm looking for-
swisscows
yandex
gibiru
DDg
bing
searx
An advertising company named System1 owns Startpage (and the Waterfox browser).
https://search.brave.com/
^^^^^ It's new and a thousand times better than DDG or pretty much any other alternative.
brave yes, duckduckgo are terrorist financiers and need an alternative...
Try brave search. Just rolled into beta so don't expect the world yet.
I'm just here shilling for this new thing Brave did because it's crazy how few people know about it:
https://search.brave.com/
DDG is Google.
Try Qwant.
Fuck that noise: https://search.brave.com/
Waterfox is a fork of Firefox, been using it for a couple of years.
How's its cpu use?
Because I (like many) dumped firefox for opera because firefox's threading was so terrible that you couldn't run more than a few tabs without crushing windows.
Also using Waterfox. Seems fine to me. Currently using <1% with ~20 tabs open.
I have 2000+ tabs and it only takes 4 to 6gb ram.
also firefox kicked out the sane people and gained commie leadership a couple years back.. no reason to wait for it to fail or start advertising
Waterfox is owned by an advertising company named System1. Just keep that in mind.
GNU Icecat, Iridium, Librewolf, etc.
Most of these are forks of either Firefox or Chromium without the anti-privacy features.
Lynx
I used Lynx on a 80286.
The day NCSA Mosaic came out. Never again.
https://brave.com/
Okay, will try.
Anyone who watches that stupid faggot deserves to be spied on
Sucks that brave is the only decent browser left besides firefox forks.
https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/8/21283769/brave-browser-affiliate-links-crypto-privacy-ceo-apology
I was using Brave until this happened. Are they on the level now?
Devout Opera user here. I guess I'll have to move to Brave? Serious question. At this point what the hell difference does it make? You really think they can't spy on you if they want to. I'm all for making it harder on them, but that does nothing in the end.
Depends on who you think is spying on you and who you want to reduce. Who is "they"?
The government is spying on you always and collecting everything you do. You can do little about that except encrypt your traffic until it gets outside your borders (then a foreign govt. will spy on you). The govt. is aided in spying by secret demands to companies like Google for the data they harvest. That is where you can effect greater change.
Instead of using Chrome which funnels everything you do back to Google use another browser. Then Google only harvests through your use of their services and their spying code, such as Google Analytics (GA), embedded into other websites. Reduce that some more by blocking GA in one way or another to prevent that spying: ad blocking, no javascript, take your pick. Reduce the amount of data you give to Google through use of their services: use another search engine; use another email service. Avoid Youtube where possible. Look for your favorite people elsewhere. Try the slightly unreliable Invidious front end.
Facebook is probably just as much a problem as Google. There is the website itself to avoid however you also need to avoid Facebook's "share" code put on other pages which still tracks you even if you don't have an account. They build a "shadow profile" for those without an account. They also own Instagram and Whatsapp so if you use them you are still using Facebook.
There are much more hidden companies that are probably spying on you. Cloudflare in an infamous example. They sit in the middle of many connections, even so-called secure ones (https), to provide DDOS protection and up-time reliability. This might be impossible to avoid as a user because you can't control how a website owner configures their systems. It sometimes looks as impossible to void as govt. surveillance.
Just to be clear, is Vivaldi tied to the CCP in any way, or is Vivaldi not affiliated with the CCP at all?