If Dr. Murray thinks that is going to happen, or that non-whites are suddenly going to become happy, raceless Americans
The reason non-whites in America are not 'raceless' is because racial thinking is rewarded in 'Murrica. Go anywhere else in the world, and people do not regard themselves as distinct because of their color. They regard themselves as Chinese, Ibo, Egyptian, but not yellow (or Asian-American Pacific Bluh), black or brown. That is a uniquely American pathology, and the reason for that is to unite disparate groups as an army in order to seize the state.
Push whites too far, and they might get their backs up.” The lefty reply will be, “What? We’re supposed to stop white supremacy by saying that blacks are stupid?”
There is a reason they are so afraid of any talk about race and IQ, and that is because it is lethal for their nonsense. Either they will have to come to terms with it, and recognize that it does not mean that blacks are "stupid", or they will be the ones advocating for racism.
Just like people can recognize that Chinese people are on average shorter than Norwegians, even though height is considered a desirable quality, without regarding them as inferior, they should be able to see the same for other qualities.
No, the worst thing that could happen is that whites might realize they are a race with legitimate group interests.
Yes, because then you have a civil war.
Group interests based on color are retarded no matter whose that they are. You don't have anything in common with people who are of your color.
You don't have anything in common with people who are of your color.
This is blatantly incorrect. Skin color is a proxy for genetics, and genetics are a proxy for culture. You may have nothing in common with someone who shares your skin color, but you are absolutely more likely to share values, standards, and practices with someone who looks like you. And in case you haven't noticed, we make a lot of policy decisions based on shakier correlations than this one.
Whites have been led to believe the opposite by a century of intense and focused propaganda. Every other race has been encouraged to pursue solidarity. Ideally, we would recognize the truth of it while not allowing it to dominate our societal or individual interactions.
This is blatantly incorrect. Skin color is a proxy for genetics, and genetics are a proxy for culture.
Now that is blatantly incorrect. If you are a remotely sane individual, you will have more in common with a black Nigerian Christian than with a white Bosnian Muslim. I meant to say that you don't have anything in common necessarily, and that it is quite a bad measuring stick.
but you are absolutely more likely to share values, standards, and practices with someone who looks like you.
I disagree that someone who is your color 'looks like you'.
Every other race has been encouraged to pursue solidarity.
Only in your country. Not anywhere else. You don't see Muslims pursuing solidarity with people of their color who do not share their religion.
The only possible solution is the one we'd been trying for the past 50 years and apparently both left and right have concluded is a failure: the "color-blind society". Which failed because everyone wants to believe that there are "secret racists" everywhere, and any disparity must be due to them.
The "color-blind society" was born after my parents and will likely die before them. If so then both the USSR and North Korea will have had longer lifespans. A ringing endorsement of an idea if I've ever seen one. Honest empiricists should take note.
He lists China as an example of a nation that is not split along racial lines, but even that is wrong. Ask any Han if a black or Uguyhr are Chinese and he will laugh in your face. Most nations are ethnostates and thus have a homogeneous population leading to less conflict in the first place. As soon as a nation is no longer ethnically homogeneous, conflict along racial lines occurs.
Nah, blacks in Brazil aren't nearly as entitled as the average black in America. Many supported Bolsonaro. Of course, the elites bemoan this in the news outlets they control, so they definitely do want to spread the poison.
Blacks in Europe have done US-style BLM things.
Mostly England. Outside of that, basically nothing. Our blacks are so much better than your blacks.
You're just plain wrong that nowhere but the US has these problems. Dirt isn't magic. If you had our demographics, you would have our problems.
It's got nothing to do with dirt, and everything with what you teach people. Blacks and whites may differ in a lot of areas, but these are not the cause of your problems. In earlier times, you also did not have these same problems, as we don't have as many problems with our blacks.
Watch out! White people might defend ourselves too hard! Much better to let us to get discriminated against or even wiped out!
No one's wiping you out, but obviously, if people tried, then you could defend yourself, same as anyone. This is hysterical hyperbole same as the claim that blacks are like being genocided and such as by the PO-lees.
So what should we do then? As usual you offer no alternative ideas or solutions. I like how you just do the same thing that Murray is being criticized for.
I have a solution for what I consider the problem but I am not sure for what you consider the problem. If you want advantages for being white, and to get rid of anyone who isn't, then my solutions are not going to get that for you.
"Must be as entitled as American blacks before we're allowed to say it's a problem" is an arbitrary standard you made up for this conversation. Check the murder rate in this country you insist isn't a shitshow.
You keep shifting the goalposts. Brazil may be a 'shitshow', but blacks are not as enthralled to identitarianism as yours are. That was what this was about, your claim that non-whites everywhere are identitarians, when only you and American non-whites are.
You barely have them, and they are skewed toward immigration which meant a selection process. In other words, you don't have the US's demographics.
Our immigrants, and selection? Come on man. They just open the borders and let any absolute cretin in. Bonus points if you are a member of ISIS.
When were these earlier times?
1950s for example.
You dropped this: "let us to get discriminated against."
As I don't think it's a justification for you starting a civil war, yes. But you don't oppose discrimination. You just oppose the allocation of roles. You'd like for blacks to be discriminated against and for whites to be benefited, the opposite of the current situation. And I find it as bad as the current situation.
Yes, because whites are second class citizens who are not allowed to think in racial terms. If we did, those in control of the west would eliminate us. It is a bullying tactic. Either you accept white genocide slowly or we do it now.
Rather, I think "you" would eliminate others. It's stupid people who think in racial terms. If you don't want to be a second class citizen, as I agree that you are, then you should oppose thinking in racial terms - not join in on it.
Every nonwhite race thinks in racial terms.
Every nonwhite race promote politics that benefit their own race.
Politics that benefit nonwhite races are implemented because of that pressure.
Whites do not think in terms of race.
Whites do not push for politics that benefit their own race.
White push AGAINST any politics that benefit their own race.
Politics that benefit the white race are NOT implemented because of that pressure.
Whites end up as second class citizens as a result. In their own white countries, non the less.
Not only are whites second class citizens, we have given up our own control and power in our own white nations, which is resulting in the ongoing decade long genocide of whites across the west.
I don't know if it is "stupid" people who think in racial terms.
Whites are still the majority in the west and we can still rather easily take back power through legal means within a few years if we start thinking in racial terms.
Now of course, whites wont be allowed to take back power through legal means, precisely because nonwhites think in racial terms and only play by the rules to keep whites asleep. The moment whites fight back legally, we will experience the full power of the nonwhite races illegally, and within our own borders and with our own technology and with our own weapons and with our own institutions.
However while it is not a bright future for whites to fight against the other races, it is our only option.
The longer we wait, the longer we are color blind, the longer we give those who see us as enemies to take power. It is quite tragic that the other races are so racist, but they leave us with no choice.
We welcomed them with open arms and we were stabbed in the back and exploited.
you should oppose thinking in racial terms - not join in on it.
In general it sounds like a good philosophy for life - something you might even hear a based Black grandfather telling his grandchildren.
But on the overall societal level, it has not worked for the last 50 years. Me not thinking in racial terms and teaching my kids to do the same doesn't fix culture or bad policy. It isolates us while the groups that express racial solidarity and are rewarded for using race as a weapon become politically dominant.
At the individual level it's the losers who tell their kids to blame whitey for life's problems, but as a group they're winning.
But on the overall societal level, it has not worked for the last 50 years.
Has it been tried? Racial preferences were the order of the day from the word go.
It isolates us while the groups that express racial solidarity and are rewarded for using race as a weapon become politically dominant.
Being advantaged on the basis of your race is no advantage at all. I am rather glad that there is no such nonsense where I live, or all my accomplishments could be called into question by anyone who wanted to do it.
At the individual level it's the losers who tell their kids to blame whitey for life's problems, but as a group they're winning.
And your solution is to emulate them? What's that good for?
Just like people can recognize that Chinese people are on average shorter than Norwegians, even though height is considered a desirable quality, without regarding them as inferior, they should be able to see the same for other qualities.
Amusingly the type of people you're talking about that are offended by IQ discussions also tend to be the people who claim that IQ is a meaningless measure. If that's true then they shouldn't care one way or the other.
The reason non-whites in America are not 'raceless' is because racial thinking is rewarded in 'Murrica. Go anywhere else in the world, and people do not regard themselves as distinct because of their color. They regard themselves as Chinese, Ibo, Egyptian, but not yellow (or Asian-American Pacific Bluh), black or brown. That is a uniquely American pathology, and the reason for that is to unite disparate groups as an army in order to seize the state.
There is a reason they are so afraid of any talk about race and IQ, and that is because it is lethal for their nonsense. Either they will have to come to terms with it, and recognize that it does not mean that blacks are "stupid", or they will be the ones advocating for racism.
Just like people can recognize that Chinese people are on average shorter than Norwegians, even though height is considered a desirable quality, without regarding them as inferior, they should be able to see the same for other qualities.
Yes, because then you have a civil war.
Group interests based on color are retarded no matter whose that they are. You don't have anything in common with people who are of your color.
This is blatantly incorrect. Skin color is a proxy for genetics, and genetics are a proxy for culture. You may have nothing in common with someone who shares your skin color, but you are absolutely more likely to share values, standards, and practices with someone who looks like you. And in case you haven't noticed, we make a lot of policy decisions based on shakier correlations than this one.
Whites have been led to believe the opposite by a century of intense and focused propaganda. Every other race has been encouraged to pursue solidarity. Ideally, we would recognize the truth of it while not allowing it to dominate our societal or individual interactions.
Now that is blatantly incorrect. If you are a remotely sane individual, you will have more in common with a black Nigerian Christian than with a white Bosnian Muslim. I meant to say that you don't have anything in common necessarily, and that it is quite a bad measuring stick.
I disagree that someone who is your color 'looks like you'.
Only in your country. Not anywhere else. You don't see Muslims pursuing solidarity with people of their color who do not share their religion.
The only possible solution is the one we'd been trying for the past 50 years and apparently both left and right have concluded is a failure: the "color-blind society". Which failed because everyone wants to believe that there are "secret racists" everywhere, and any disparity must be due to them.
The "color-blind society" was born after my parents and will likely die before them. If so then both the USSR and North Korea will have had longer lifespans. A ringing endorsement of an idea if I've ever seen one. Honest empiricists should take note.
He lists China as an example of a nation that is not split along racial lines, but even that is wrong. Ask any Han if a black or Uguyhr are Chinese and he will laugh in your face. Most nations are ethnostates and thus have a homogeneous population leading to less conflict in the first place. As soon as a nation is no longer ethnically homogeneous, conflict along racial lines occurs.
Nah, blacks in Brazil aren't nearly as entitled as the average black in America. Many supported Bolsonaro. Of course, the elites bemoan this in the news outlets they control, so they definitely do want to spread the poison.
Mostly England. Outside of that, basically nothing. Our blacks are so much better than your blacks.
It's got nothing to do with dirt, and everything with what you teach people. Blacks and whites may differ in a lot of areas, but these are not the cause of your problems. In earlier times, you also did not have these same problems, as we don't have as many problems with our blacks.
No one's wiping you out, but obviously, if people tried, then you could defend yourself, same as anyone. This is hysterical hyperbole same as the claim that blacks are like being genocided and such as by the PO-lees.
I have a solution for what I consider the problem but I am not sure for what you consider the problem. If you want advantages for being white, and to get rid of anyone who isn't, then my solutions are not going to get that for you.
You keep shifting the goalposts. Brazil may be a 'shitshow', but blacks are not as enthralled to identitarianism as yours are. That was what this was about, your claim that non-whites everywhere are identitarians, when only you and American non-whites are.
Our immigrants, and selection? Come on man. They just open the borders and let any absolute cretin in. Bonus points if you are a member of ISIS.
1950s for example.
As I don't think it's a justification for you starting a civil war, yes. But you don't oppose discrimination. You just oppose the allocation of roles. You'd like for blacks to be discriminated against and for whites to be benefited, the opposite of the current situation. And I find it as bad as the current situation.
Stop identitarianism.
"Yes, because then you have a civil war."
Yes, because whites are second class citizens who are not allowed to think in racial terms. If we did, those in control of the west would eliminate us. It is a bullying tactic. Either you accept white genocide slowly or we do it now.
Rather, I think "you" would eliminate others. It's stupid people who think in racial terms. If you don't want to be a second class citizen, as I agree that you are, then you should oppose thinking in racial terms - not join in on it.
Every nonwhite race thinks in racial terms.
Every nonwhite race promote politics that benefit their own race.
Politics that benefit nonwhite races are implemented because of that pressure.
Whites do not think in terms of race.
Whites do not push for politics that benefit their own race.
White push AGAINST any politics that benefit their own race.
Politics that benefit the white race are NOT implemented because of that pressure.
Whites end up as second class citizens as a result. In their own white countries, non the less.
Not only are whites second class citizens, we have given up our own control and power in our own white nations, which is resulting in the ongoing decade long genocide of whites across the west.
I don't know if it is "stupid" people who think in racial terms.
Whites are still the majority in the west and we can still rather easily take back power through legal means within a few years if we start thinking in racial terms.
Now of course, whites wont be allowed to take back power through legal means, precisely because nonwhites think in racial terms and only play by the rules to keep whites asleep. The moment whites fight back legally, we will experience the full power of the nonwhite races illegally, and within our own borders and with our own technology and with our own weapons and with our own institutions.
However while it is not a bright future for whites to fight against the other races, it is our only option.
The longer we wait, the longer we are color blind, the longer we give those who see us as enemies to take power. It is quite tragic that the other races are so racist, but they leave us with no choice.
We welcomed them with open arms and we were stabbed in the back and exploited.
Tell me about it. Where is this 'genocide'?
This is false. Almost no one outside of your country thinks in racial terms.
This I agree with.
In general it sounds like a good philosophy for life - something you might even hear a based Black grandfather telling his grandchildren.
But on the overall societal level, it has not worked for the last 50 years. Me not thinking in racial terms and teaching my kids to do the same doesn't fix culture or bad policy. It isolates us while the groups that express racial solidarity and are rewarded for using race as a weapon become politically dominant.
At the individual level it's the losers who tell their kids to blame whitey for life's problems, but as a group they're winning.
Has it been tried? Racial preferences were the order of the day from the word go.
Being advantaged on the basis of your race is no advantage at all. I am rather glad that there is no such nonsense where I live, or all my accomplishments could be called into question by anyone who wanted to do it.
And your solution is to emulate them? What's that good for?
Amusingly the type of people you're talking about that are offended by IQ discussions also tend to be the people who claim that IQ is a meaningless measure. If that's true then they shouldn't care one way or the other.