Remember when She-Hulk was a comic about a woman who loved being a sexy green Amazon, drawn by people who didn't hate women? Even a buff woman will still be woman-shaped because things like the centre of rotation of the shoulder joints remain the same even if if you put on extra muscle.
Can you tell me more about "the center of rotation of the shoulder joints" and how it relates to sex? I did a quick google, but the results were not sex-discriminatory.
Women's shoulders are narrower. The skeleton doesn't really change shape as you put on muscle, so a muscular woman is still much narrower across the shoulders and probably should be even if she's a cartoon character depicted as unreasonably buff. As such, her arms have can have a distinctly feminine shape even with big biceps if the artist is talented. However, untalented artists will simply make the whole body larger if they want to depict a character as muscular which leads to "Tiny head syndrome" where their head is disproportionately small compared to the rest of their body.
In the picture above, her shoulders are about 5 heads wide. This isn't really that attractive, this character design says villain to me. A character whose quest for power has left their body altered and no longer fully human.
5 heads wide is slightly wider than regular Hulk's, whose shoulders are typically depicted at 4-4.5, and his shoulders are already a bit freakishly wide to add to the bestial nature of his design.
Traditional heroes like Captain America generally have shoulders 3-3.5 heads wide. 3 is a good starting point for a typical male design, then you broaden them out just a bit to exaggerate the character to an ideal.
Regular She-Hulk is generally drawn with shoulders 2.5-3 heads wide. Wide for a woman, but still slightly narrower than a man's shoulders. In general, a broad shouldered woman will only go a bit higher than 2.5 headwidths. A cute, attractive woman will likely be closer to 2 head widths wide at the shoulders.
You can subtract another half headwidth off any of these character types if you want to make a teenage version, and you can drop down to 1.5 or 1 if you are drawing a small child. If you go lower than one than it really only works for very moe loli designs and super deformed characters which throw the basic body to head scale out the window.
Furthermore, the design posted in the OP has narrow hips and thighs compared to the shoulders. Bulking out the hips and thighs is a good way to make a character more muscular without making them less feminine. If you don't bulk out the hips or thighs, your character will look thin, prepubescent, or masculine. In this case it's pretty obviously the third case. However even if the artist was to do that, It seems unlikely that the picture would be better, as because the shoulders are already so inhumanly wide that bulking out the hips to match wouldn't balance the character out, but instead move them into the territory of unsettling deviant-art muscle fetish works featuring rippling slabs of meat that are difficult to identify with as a human, likely explaining why the hips and thighs were left as narrow as they were in the first place.
All of this is a very long way of saying the character looks more like Thanos in a wig than any sort of aspirational hero. I don't really know anything about marvel lore, so I have no idea what the character's supposed to be like.
Okay, yeah. I knew about relative proportion in figure drawing. I thought there was something in the skeletal function you were pointing out. You're right that the new she-hulk design looks absolutely preposterous. I miss the old She-hulk already. She and Powergirl were my favourites for how self-aware they were without being Lampoons.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that he was just pointing out that the shoulder joint stays in the same place even if muscle increases. As far as function goes, really the only important difference is that mens are larger and bulkier and have the additional strength and leverage that comes along with that. Not really a big surprise.
That's one way to describe the swirl down the toilet bowl that is Aaron's writing at Marvel these days. They just finished his Heroes Reborn mini event which was essentially Age of Apocalypse/House of M again but with the Marvel version of the Justice League known as the Squadron Supreme in place of the Avengers because the ongoing character assassination of Coulson had him sell his soul to the literal Devil of the Marvel universe and remake the world with "No more Avengers". ?
the ongoing character assassination of Coulson had him sell his soul to the literal Devil of the Marvel universe and remake the world with "No more Avengers".
Jesus Christ. It's like they fed the last 20 years of Marvel comics into a Markov chain generator. House of M's "No More Mutants," One More Day's deal with Mephisto and Ultimate Fantastic Four's "Council of Re(e)ds."
I take it the guy called her Sir and given transgender wanted to be called Ma'am?
You know what is funny, I have been scolded by more women for calling them Ma'am than about any other polite word. The feminists want to be called "Sir" like a man [Sir can be used gender neutral] or non-feminists assume you are calling them old. I have actually found it useful to simply avoid the term Ma'am....
I cant tell what is parody anymore
Nothing is parody anymore.
The best they can do at this point is plagarize right-wing jokes. They are cultural voids.
Remember when She-Hulk was a comic about a woman who loved being a sexy green Amazon, drawn by people who didn't hate women? Even a buff woman will still be woman-shaped because things like the centre of rotation of the shoulder joints remain the same even if if you put on extra muscle.
Can you tell me more about "the center of rotation of the shoulder joints" and how it relates to sex? I did a quick google, but the results were not sex-discriminatory.
Women's shoulders are narrower. The skeleton doesn't really change shape as you put on muscle, so a muscular woman is still much narrower across the shoulders and probably should be even if she's a cartoon character depicted as unreasonably buff. As such, her arms have can have a distinctly feminine shape even with big biceps if the artist is talented. However, untalented artists will simply make the whole body larger if they want to depict a character as muscular which leads to "Tiny head syndrome" where their head is disproportionately small compared to the rest of their body.
In the picture above, her shoulders are about 5 heads wide. This isn't really that attractive, this character design says villain to me. A character whose quest for power has left their body altered and no longer fully human.
5 heads wide is slightly wider than regular Hulk's, whose shoulders are typically depicted at 4-4.5, and his shoulders are already a bit freakishly wide to add to the bestial nature of his design.
Traditional heroes like Captain America generally have shoulders 3-3.5 heads wide. 3 is a good starting point for a typical male design, then you broaden them out just a bit to exaggerate the character to an ideal.
Regular She-Hulk is generally drawn with shoulders 2.5-3 heads wide. Wide for a woman, but still slightly narrower than a man's shoulders. In general, a broad shouldered woman will only go a bit higher than 2.5 headwidths. A cute, attractive woman will likely be closer to 2 head widths wide at the shoulders.
You can subtract another half headwidth off any of these character types if you want to make a teenage version, and you can drop down to 1.5 or 1 if you are drawing a small child. If you go lower than one than it really only works for very moe loli designs and super deformed characters which throw the basic body to head scale out the window.
Furthermore, the design posted in the OP has narrow hips and thighs compared to the shoulders. Bulking out the hips and thighs is a good way to make a character more muscular without making them less feminine. If you don't bulk out the hips or thighs, your character will look thin, prepubescent, or masculine. In this case it's pretty obviously the third case. However even if the artist was to do that, It seems unlikely that the picture would be better, as because the shoulders are already so inhumanly wide that bulking out the hips to match wouldn't balance the character out, but instead move them into the territory of unsettling deviant-art muscle fetish works featuring rippling slabs of meat that are difficult to identify with as a human, likely explaining why the hips and thighs were left as narrow as they were in the first place.
All of this is a very long way of saying the character looks more like Thanos in a wig than any sort of aspirational hero. I don't really know anything about marvel lore, so I have no idea what the character's supposed to be like.
Okay, yeah. I knew about relative proportion in figure drawing. I thought there was something in the skeletal function you were pointing out. You're right that the new she-hulk design looks absolutely preposterous. I miss the old She-hulk already. She and Powergirl were my favourites for how self-aware they were without being Lampoons.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that he was just pointing out that the shoulder joint stays in the same place even if muscle increases. As far as function goes, really the only important difference is that mens are larger and bulkier and have the additional strength and leverage that comes along with that. Not really a big surprise.
That's one way to describe the swirl down the toilet bowl that is Aaron's writing at Marvel these days. They just finished his Heroes Reborn mini event which was essentially Age of Apocalypse/House of M again but with the Marvel version of the Justice League known as the Squadron Supreme in place of the Avengers because the ongoing character assassination of Coulson had him sell his soul to the literal Devil of the Marvel universe and remake the world with "No more Avengers". ?
The whole thing was shit.
Jesus Christ. It's like they fed the last 20 years of Marvel comics into a Markov chain generator. House of M's "No More Mutants," One More Day's deal with Mephisto and Ultimate Fantastic Four's "Council of Re(e)ds."
I'm pretty sure that dude wanted to be seen as a lady. This is hilarious and sad on multiple levels.
Nanomachines need to be a controlled substance.
I take it the guy called her Sir and given transgender wanted to be called Ma'am?
You know what is funny, I have been scolded by more women for calling them Ma'am than about any other polite word. The feminists want to be called "Sir" like a man [Sir can be used gender neutral] or non-feminists assume you are calling them old. I have actually found it useful to simply avoid the term Ma'am....
MAAMGENDER
check urban dictionary for actual definition ;)
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
I'm sure it'll move a lot of copies.
I can't tell the difference between those so-called women and 12 year-old boys anymore. They're just so fucking ugly.