Literally raped into submission.
Nobody talks about this because leftists control the narrative - as early as the guillotine nutjob Jacobins seized power in the 1700s.
https://archive.vn/ArEa http:// www. independent. co. uk/news/world/europe/raped-by-the-red-army-two-million-german-women-speak-out-1669074.html
Raped by the Red Army: Two million German women speak out
FRANCE 24 WEDNESDAY 15 APRIL 2009
For decades many of these women didn’t talk about what happened – in the post-war years, faced with the crimes of the Nazis, nobody dared focus on German suffering.
"In West Germany the topic was taboo because the Germans were seen as guilty for the war," says Sibylle Dreher, a member of the Association of German Expellees. "And in Soviet-occupied East Germany, people weren’t allowed to talk about the abuse committed by the Soviet soldiers."
Over the years, women have gradually started talking about their trauma. But it’s only now that the first scientific study is being carried out, here at the university of Greifswald, in North East Germany. Psychiatrist Phillip Kuwert is gathering first-hand accounts from women who were raped by Soviet soldiers.
https://archive.vn/eTECk http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1080493/Stalins-army-rapists-The-brutal-war-crime-Russia-Germany-tried-ignore.html
Stalin's army of rapists: The brutal war crime that Russia and Germany tried to ignore
By ANDREW ROBERTS UPDATED: 23:55 GMT, 24 October 2008
Marta was one of two million German women who were raped by soldiers of the Red Army - in her case, as in so many others, several times over.
It was a feature of Russia's 'liberation' and occupation of eastern Germany at the end of World War II that is familiar enough to historians, but which neither country cares to acknowledge took place on anything like the scale it did.
For Russia, the episode besmirches the fine name of the Red Army that had fought so hard and suffered so much in its four-year campaign against the Wehrmacht.
When the historian Antony Beevor wrote about it in his book Berlin: The Downfall, the Russian ambassador to London, Grigory Karasin, accused him of 'an act of blasphemy', saying: 'It is a slander against the people who saved the world from Nazism.'
Similarly, living Germans do not want the events that humiliated and violated them, their mothers and grandmothers to be held up to public examination, as this movie promises to do.
In his fine new book, World War Two: Behind Closed Doors, the historian Laurence Rees points out that although rape was officially a crime in the Red Army, in fact, Stalin explicitly condoned it as a method of rewarding the soldiers and terrorising German civilians.
Stalin said people should ' understand it if a soldier who has crossed thousands of kilometres through blood and fire and death has fun with a woman or takes some trifle'.
On another occasion, when told that Red Army soldiers sexually maltreated German refugees, he said: 'We lecture our soldiers too much; let them have their initiative.'
While Stalin condoned rape as an instrument of state military policy, his police chief Lavrenti Beria was a serial rapist.
An American diplomat, Beria's bodyguard and the Russian actress Tatiana Okunevskaya all bore witness of his methods of grabbing women off the street and shoving them into his limousine and then his bed.
https://archive.vn/1im3P https:// www. theguardian. com/world/2020/jun/20/lenin-statue-to-be-unveiled-in-west-germany-despite-legal-fight
Lenin statue to be unveiled in Germany despite legal fight
Gelsenkirchen bucks global trends with new monument as other cities confront relics of colonial past
Agence France-Presse Sat 20 Jun 2020 06.17 EDT
More than 30 years after the communist experiment on German soil that followed the second world war ended, the tiny Marxist-Leninist party of Germany (MLPD) will install Lenin’s likeness in the western city of Gelsenkirchen.
The MLPD says it is the first such statue ever to be erected on the territory of the former West Germany, decades after the eastern German Democratic Republic communist state collapsed.
“The time for monuments to racists, antisemites, fascists, anti-communists and other relics of the past has clearly passed,” said MLPD’s chair, Gabi Fechtner, in a statement.
“Lenin was an ahead-of-his-time thinker of world-historical importance, an early fighter for freedom and democracy,” she said.
Not everyone in Gelsenkirchen, a centre of the former industrial and mining powerhouse Ruhr region, has welcomed the 2.15 metre (7ft) likeness of the communist leader, which was made in the former Czechoslovakia in 1957.
“Lenin stands for violence, repression, terrorism and horrific human suffering,” representatives from mainstream parties on the Gelsenkirchen-West district council said in a resolution passed in early March.
The council “will not tolerate such an anti-democratic symbol in its district”, it added, urging that all legal means should be used to block its installation.
But later in March the upper state court in Münster rejected an argument that the statue would impact a historic building on the same site.
The MLPD has trumpeted interest in the statue from as far away as Russia, and is celebrating the unveiling with sausages and cake – while urging guests to maintain social distancing and wear nose and mouth coverings against coronavirus infection.
https://archive.vn/bpCFM https://newcriterion.com/issues/2019/10/leninthink
Features October 2019
Leninthink by Gary Saul Morson
An admirer of the French Jacobins, Lenin believed that state power had to be based on sheer terror, and so he also created the terrorist state.
Lenin constantly recommended that people be shot “without pity” or “exterminated mercilessly” (Leszek Kołakowski wondered wryly what it would mean to exterminate people mercifully). “Exterminate” is a term used for vermin, and, long before the Nazis described Jews as Ungeziefer (vermin), Lenin routinely called for “the cleansing of Russia’s soil of all harmful insects, of scoundrels, fleas, bedbugs—the rich, and so on.”
Lenin worked by a principle of anti-empathy, and this approach was to define Soviet ethics. I know of no other society, except those modeled on the one Lenin created, where schoolchildren were taught that mercy, kindness, and pity are vices. After all, these feelings might lead one to hesitate shooting a class enemy or denouncing one’s parents. The word “conscience” went out of use, replaced by “consciousness” (in the sense of Marxist-Leninist ideological consciousness). During Stalin’s great purges a culture of denunciation reigned, but it was Lenin who taught “A good communist is also a good Chekist.”
If you're wondering why present day Germany is FUBAR.
Reunification was a mistake. Germans are paying the price now, the rest of Europe will in the future.
the wrong side won the war
or it ended too quickly
choose your own adventure
Both sides were the bad guys. Simple as.
Unfortunately, there is not positive in any of it. Socialists dominated the world no matter who would win.
I’d have National socialists over ones which hate our countries
National Socialists hate their own countries because they are Socialists.
It's no different then when the Democratic Party drapes itself in American flags at this point. The Democrats are using psuedo-jingoism to make people think they're trying to protect America and "American Values" when they don't give a shit at all.
Both the Fascists and the National Socialists don't care about what their country actually is, just how they are going to re-define it and fit it into a new Jingoistic Socialist narrative. That means getting a lot of their own countrymen killed and destroying what their country had been in the past.
Socialism, in all of it's forms, is an ideology built on resentment that turns against the people who support it 100% of the time.
I don't remember.
WW2 was a socialist civil war.
FDR, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin - socialist.
Only Churchill was capitalist, I think.
At this point germans are just getting what they deserve.
I can't help but think the MLPD is someone's propaganda operation.
They are insignificant politically but they have huge funds. Around here they put up a shitton of election posters that rival the biggest parties. Unlike every other party (that uses the usual paper on particle board) they have ultra fancy printed plastic posters.
It's called agitating the people for the revolution.
Brcause commies are always desperate and afraid, no matter how much power they have.
Socialists are in a constant state of literal terror with the (capitalist) system/culture. They're can't express their "true self and desires" by "sublimating" into "a cog in the machine" of the "hegemonic oppressive power", which is a "hegemonic oppressive power"... Because socialists haven't turned society socialist yet, despite all peaceful and violent means. Democracy is a cynical lie to keep capitalist society going. They're constantly blueballed and angry.
I am not kidding.
https://archive.ph/AL7pj https://www. youtube. com/watch?v=EZ2hDY0-E1U
If course, when they win, like Lenin did, socialism is good, so bad things can only come from traitors, salty capitalists, and wrongthinkers. That's why the Bolshies suppressed and killed the Mensheviks and anarchists.
In fairness, the people who raised that statue are just Communists. German Communists have been consistently terrible. They actually represent one of the arrows in the 3 arrows.
Weimar Germany's SPD was only marginally less retarded than the KPD.
Guess who called in the freikorps, caused hyperinflation and had 12yo call girls in Berlin. I wonder why people were pissed enough to sympathise with Hitler.
The SDP still exist though, don't they?
Still. German Communists are genuinely one of the largest factors for the rise of National Socialism in Germany.
I hear people saying the SDP are the conservative boomer party now. Hue.
Trying to block a statue on private property is anti-free speech and anti-democratic.
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on the dinner menu.
If you're a sheep, you're better off taking the wolves out back and shooting them before the vote, or acknowledging the truth: no one has the moral authority to be the aggressor in a confrontation.
In the absence of a wide agreement upon the latter fact, the former is the only possible survival strategy.
No, democracy is elite manipulation, which has nothing at all to do with popular sovereignty. But one advantage is supposed to be that you can decide for yourself what you think, and what you say, as much as this is being undermined lately.
This comes to close to lolbertarianism for my taste, because the principle of 'aggression' is then taking so far that building roads is people "who want me shot".
Libertarian principles don't prohibit the building of roads. There are a few problems with the current arrangement, though.
yawn
They were Nazis. Literal, actual Nazis. Who fucking cares? They have even less credibility than regular MeToo cultists
The National Socialists did pretty much unleash Communism on the world, whereas once it was simply sequestered in the USSR. Also they wrapped themselves up in traditional values and patriotic sentiments, thereby making those politically toxic after we found out "the demented fuckers killed twelve million people on purpose."
Their war ruined the continent, and left us wide open to Commie subversion. Bugger Nazism, it's just a damn shame it dragged a proud country like Germany down the road to hell with it.
That is completely false. In 1919 there were communist uprisings in Germany, in 1938 the Fourth International was founded in Paris. Throughout South America and Africa there were communist parties forming. And in 1930's Germany, Antifa (Yes, that Antifa), attacked any party it deemed insufficiently communist. Communism was not contained. It is because of the invasion of France that the Fourth International never really gained power. If Germany had smashed Moscow first, we would have had to deal with a worldwide permanent revolution thanks to the Trotskyist, instead of a more geographically contained "Socialism in one nation" of the Stalinist.
Communist (and their Apologist) Delenda Est.
Because the Russians advanced into Poland, where the Nazis put the extermination camps out of sight of the German populace. Poland also happened to be a place where slave labour was in abundance, as the Poles were deemed servile subhumans worthy of service to Aryan Germans.
Or, did you think Nazi Germany's laundry list of atrocities aside from the Holocaust have been forgotten? Cough cough, "Action-T4," cough, "General Plan Ost," cough.
Given Nazi ideology and how they implemented it (Nuremberg Race Laws and Kristillnacht) the Final Solution is a perfectly logical next step for them. When you view people as unclean and undesirables, you've paved the way for ethnic cleansing. Given that these were the same people who slaughtered twenty million Soviet citizens, it's entirely believable.
Only following by example.
Unleashing your army to become rapists is barbarism.
And it took the "victims" how many years? It's even less credible than that pedophile Asia Argento.
The perpetrators wrote about it, Einstein.
Your obsession with women has fried whatever may have passed as your 'brain' before. Not that it wasn't freaking obvious when you first claimed the Chinavirus was created by women to kill you, then claimed the vaccines were developed by women to kill you.
This isn't about women, this is about people who are literally pure evil claiming victimhood.
Living in Pomerania doesn't make you 'pure evil'. Not even all the actual Nazis were pure evil.
And even supposing that they were pure evil, that doesn't mean that it's OK to rape them, or that they are not victims of that at least if it happens.
Don’t forget at a certain point even if you were anti Nazi, openly admitting it would get you killed by nazis
The poor guy saw 'WAHMEN' and was blinded with rage.
I'm just going to point out that even among fairly high ranking Nazis very few knew the camps were for the purpose of extermination, and you may ask "what did they think would happen when you put minorities into camps" well the United States was also putting minorities in camps at that time.
A lot of them thought it was like the concentration camps of the Boer War (which were bad enough). Himmler himself spoke about keeping it secret from ordinary Germans.
Not really. These people had little to no input on Hitler's policy, and were clearly not aware of the full extent of the Final Solution. Bearing in mind, the Third Reich was a totalitarian state that terrorised its citizens into compliance.
It's a shame they ended up suffering for the unspeakable horrors the Nazi war machine inflicted on the Eastern Front.
Hyperbole and you know it. The chances of people living under Stalin's rule being killed for speaking ill of Stalin's army is much higher than the odds of Asia Argento being injured in any way by her wild accusations, despite those being more spurious.
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Y'all need Jesus.
wait you're unironic?
i thought you were regular stupid not actually mentally disabled
I thought you meant Germans.
Then I realized that your psychosis has reached new heights.
No, you were right the first time.
Every time I think that you've become irredeemable... a tiny bit of sense appears.
Still, being a Nazi dupe in no way justifies rape, or the allied terror bombings.
Thanks, I think?
It does make them substantially less believable.
Are you saying that you would believe them on their say-so if they weren't Nazis?
Standards of evidence should be the same, regardless of whether or not someone is a Nazi. Which, for the record, you have no evidence that these women are.
And like I told you, there is tons of independent corroboration for what happens, including from the Soviet side. Some Red Army soldiers even raped women in Hungary and other countries (sometimes the relations of local Communist Party officials), and even Russian forced laborers.
No, not really. You should know by now that I view every claim of victimhood from any woman as questionable at best. Them being Nazis just makes it easier to dismiss their claims.
But we're not in a courtroom, they're asking for the views of the court of public opinion. I don't really see why I should afford them any benefit of the doubt considering the heinous crimes they supported.
I really think the world has bigger problems than literal Nazi Party members claiming rape.
I know, which is why I pointed it out. Your statement makes no sense, as if you believe that it would make their statements 'less believable', you imply that their statements would be believable to a certain extent if they were not (as you falsely claim) Nazis.
Very well, I'll let you get away with not giving the benefit of the doubt to any woman claiming to be raped, of whom you can prove that she supported Nazi crimes against the Jews and others. Not any others though.
Which one of them were Nazi Party members? Post the proof.
And do you think that if someone was a Nazi Party member, that means it's OK to rape that person?