What can be possibly done? All the other problems can be addressed but I feel like DNS is the final filter. We can't flee "muh private corporations" if we depend solely on other private corporations to not pull the domain from under our feet. Thoughts?
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In the end if you're on the public internet it's just never possible to address everything. If the big DNS servers decide to just not include you could run your own nameservers but then they don't have to peer with those or you'd have to get all your users to connect to them directly. Even beyond that at some point if all the cloud companies hate you then you I suppose could build your own infrastructure. Money aside, get all this built then at some point other ISPs have to peer with you.
In the end it's all down to hoping there's enough companies willing to just take your money and offer you a service and not care about your politics and do your best to plan for it.
True, but I find it painful to always have to watch my back
DNS is the biggest cancer of the internet imo. Its way too easy to abuse.
It's literally digital feudalism kek
TOR.
That Fediverse thing but it's also run by leftists just like everything lmao
MSM will just paint such actions as "deplorables" moving to the dark/deep web and normies having no idea what TOR actually is will believe it along with whatever other ties the MSM wants to make such as everything illegal that can happen there.
Trafficking, cp, drugs, cults, etc.
The media call Parler that already.
Yes, we could put together some big brains to get some kind of decentralization going.
redundancy is a good start, multiple domains and hosts, ideally geographically separated
There are some good hosts in europe that don't care as long as you pay, but I think that they'd bend the knee a little bit too easily if they see the american hosts doing it first.
Maybe we could look in some third world country or remote island.
just look for whoever is hosting torrent search engines for piracy
those are canaries in the coalmine so if they are still up our little forum is probably safe
bulgaria is looking good right now
I'm happy to do a Fediverse thing, but I looked into it, and it's way above my head technically at the moment.
Honestly, a kind of Republicanism is the strongest power we have. I'm not kidding when I say you all need to find non-standard lines of communication, particularly in video games.
Take Elite Dangerous for example. You can literally wander out to a random point in the galaxy that no one's explored, and then it's effectively yours because you could get 5 people there at a time and no one is super concerned with it. If you form a faction, then you have legitimate claims to the territory.
You could basically do this on any MMO.
Yes, having this forum is nice and all, but you really need to work on creating your own spaces in your own communities. If you all have a redundant space to fall back on, I can easily make one hub into another. There will always be an internet forum available somewhere, and then you guys just go to that.
The Left understands how to use tactics, and our greatest weakness is that we don't have what's called: a defense in depth. If you lose one layer of defense, then you lose everything... so you make a second layer. A decentralized defensive network allows for redundancy that the Left can't roll-up in a single attack.
1%?
I have a feeling we wouldn't be welcome to the fediverse, because unfortunately many free software advocates are blatant tankies.
However we could use an ActivityPub implementation to create a knock-off fediverse for our own use.
Like all distributed platforms, once you get going, it's very difficult to stop you.
For everything else, I agree. Also good idea for the MMOs, I'll give it some thought.
Unless you want to set up a walled server, or even better a peer-to-peer hosting system then that's the price you pay.
A p2p system for the ".win brotherhood" (I don't know the official name if any) would be the dream
A p2p system as the new norm for half the internet and online communication would be the dream.
I believe there's a similar project to it called Aether but I've not looked into enough detail to know whether it's any good.
That looks surprisingly good.
It's also open source so we could just fork it in the eventuality that it gets hit by Winnie the Pooh's acolytes.
Another good one I saw is Zot/6, where your identity is a public RSA key making it very anonymous and basically immune to cancel culture.
What do we do about money?
Cards? Mastercard says no.
Checks? Bank shuts account.
Start your own bank? Probably get sued by lefty ags
If it's not public we can sneak some money past their censorship.
It becomes a problem if you're very big, like Sargon.
Well,
ISPs most certainly can, and they can be pressured by the governments. But that's usually for much more serious stuff.
Thought the internet was designed to route around blocks?
We'd almost have to build our own ISP system too eh?
Technically yes, but if the companies in charge cut all the routing to an ip there's not much you can do except use a foreign VPN.
Guys in europe have been doing it for a long time to get past censorship (for example to access the pirate bay)
Hmm, problem is if we made a list of IP <--> site (basically our own DNS) and it was public, sjws might just blacklist them all.
Sure you could get a vpn to get to their server unless their ISP blocks that server.
Yeah we would need our own internet.
Ironically maybe net neutrality would have been a good thing.
Exactly, we could even get an Iranian uncensorable ip but they could just blacklist it at national level. I'm very doubtful that it would actually happen, but it could.
Wait, I thought we were in favor of net neutrality? Did something happen?
I thought it was nuked by fcc?
Oh yes.
I meant I was in favor of keeping it and didn't understand the context from your reply.
Good idea.
Messy and decentralized can be a strength if you leverage it, look at anonymous for example.
The only thing I don't agree with is the radio: in a lot of countries to use it you need a code that's basically a self dox, also it's extremely easy to eavesdrop.
Maybe I'll look into usenet (but I think it has the same problems) and IRCs...
We'll probably have to go back to phone modems and dialup
Most people who use radio for this sort of thing use the unlicensed bands (CB, MURS, and FRS/GMRS in the US) with radio equipment which exceeds the legal power limits for those bands. CB is notorious for this: people will run 1KW amplifiers where the maximum legal power rating is 4W.
It's illegal, but (at least in the US) unless you happen to live next door to an FCC field office they probably aren't going to care that you're running a 50W radio on a 2W channel as long as you aren't interfering with an emergency, military, or aviation band.
Eavesdropping is still an issue, but some of the digital radios include encryption. Again, illegal to use on the unlicensed bands, but low risk of being caught (though using a digital mode on a channel where they aren't allowed is going to draw more attention to yourself).
In general I would say that we're going to have to start taking advantage of the fact that the government is "overleveraged" in the sense that there are a lot more laws covering a much larger landmass than it's able to effectively police.
Usenet newsgroups are still up, and a lot of them are unmoderated.
It's an ocean of spam but it could actually be a good strategy to hide there.
It won't be as anonymous as other stuff that's been posted in this thread, but as a quick and dirty fix it could work well.
if you want to go abandoned places irc is still around some channels are practacly zombies others are just empty as is a few old chat services that for the most part are abandoned like avatar chat program the palace, or most of second life also. If you want to use games and the like various MUD's have their source code online perhaps one could be repurposed as a ghetto forum heck some MUD's are flat out abandoned still up mostly for legacy's sake or just forgotten. of course all of this is not anon but probably could be used in a pinch
Yeah I think something like this particular site could easily exist in a place like Iceland or the Netherlands where they are pretty light-handed on internet censorship. I don't think it's a big enough target. I set up my own mail server last year and I was going to start with the Dutch, but payment issues was being finicky so I ended up keeping in the US. That was a lazy duck-out for what's essentially my personal e-mail though and not a public forum. The foreign stuff can be done and not all that difficult to do.
TheDonald.win on the other hand is a big target to them, so they have their work cut out for themselves. This KiA2 site is just at risk because it's a subsidiary to that.