None of this is remotely near reality.
well theodicy wouldn't be my problem persay. if god didn't interfere with human affairs. if he existed and simply allowed shit to happen... i wouldn't be a christian persay... but i would probably believe and maybe even like god.
You're describing Deism. You've probably been taught that our founding fathers were Deists. Here's how simple it is to know that they were NOT: Deists of their day believed as you say, that God does not interfere in the affairs of men. That's all we know about it.
All our founding fathers prayed for God to give them victory in the Revolutionary War, and credited Him with it.
You probably want God to leave you alone so you can enjoy your sin? This is a pretty common notion, that God is this grumpy old dude that just wants to make sure we never have any fun.
Theodicy is the term for the concern you're expressing. It's the idea that since evil exists, God can't.
Huge numbers of books have been written on the topic. Trying to address it in an internet post is disrespectful to the scope of the issue.
I do not know a book title on the topic that would be most appropriate for you for a couple reasons: my older Brother is one of those people who refuses to believe in God because of theodicy, so I had to grapple with this from my earliest memories. I don't need to read on the topic as it's very simple to me. Second, I don't know your issues to know which author addresses them well.
I expect some authors suck and some are good, just like everything else. I also expect some books don't address your thoughts, and one (or more) really does. You could search reviews to find something appropriate.
Caveat: the crusades are a different topic entirely. People do stuff and have no bearing on God Himself. The crusades were basically the NATO of 1060 AD. They were fighting Muslims, and Europe had nothing to unite over, it was all little kingdoms and a few big ones. They had no military discipline, training, or logistics.
You have no comprehension of what you're even saying, you behave like a two year old.
Demonstrate your inability to understand anything at all with everything you say, that's all you can do.
You would have to learn history to understand that.
Present tense, not past.
Your number game is more than just not so good, it outright SUCKS.
You got your original assumptions from cornholio.
You are correct, there's a massive disconnect in these people.
Simultaneously it's not wrong to notice the pattern that less than 3% of the population are over represented by a huge amount in all the institutions that are destroying the US.76% of Biden's cabinet, for example.
Objection: asked and answered.
You have no understanding of any of this.
Why do you pretend to?
Every idea you have is wrong, and none of it is easy to learn.
then provide counter logic that prove god didn't! make gay people
Objection: asked and answered. Not only that but you agreed to it.
You have parents.
Your parents created you.
You were "created in their image," which may have some overlap with God's image. Or not. To various degrees in different areas of life.
According to the story, God created Adam and Eve. However long ago that may have been, their children were created in their own image, not God's.
You don't get to go around calling other people dummy when you have no memory to keep track of such basic details you've discussed in the last week, and are plainly stated in the source material you're trying to discuss.
Complete logic fail on your part.
The typical atheist talking point is that Elisha killed them because they made fun of him for being bald. No translation will really convey what's going on here, it takes deeper study. Generally speaking the NIV is one of the worst, but it's still a Bible and is helpful most of the time.
Best versions are NASB 1995 or older, NJKJV, and KJV. In no particular order. This is because of the effort to translate the original texts faithfully. Usually comparing these three isn't going to yield a lot of insight because they're pretty similar in most places, although they translate different source material so some differences exist. The NKJV I'm working with now does a good job of showing these differences in footnotes most of the time, so it's a good balance of the two.
For better understanding you want to be able to compare to something that takes a different approach to translation: MSG (The Message) YLT (Young's Literal Translation) and AMP (Amplified) are all helpful for this, each in different ways.
All of these are available on biblegateway.com. HCSB (Holcomb Christian Study Bible) is there too, which is really impressive re: the effort they took. GW (God's Word) is highly acclaimed by scholars but wasn't complete last I knew, they're still translating the OT.
I definitely think a Christian should emphasize the NT more, and exhaust all the meaning you can get out of that before trying to read the entire OT. Starting in the Gospel of John and reading straight through to the end of the Bible is a good approach for a beginner, without slowing down for greater understanding. If you're familiar with all this, using the alternate versions instead of a commentary could be a likely next step. MSG is especially good with Paul. Comparing it to NKJV or straight KJV helps.
Oddball gory stories from the OT pulled from IHateGod.com like OP has done here are NOT the way to go about it, lol.
Again, you have no logic to support any of your claims and nothing works the way you assert. This is evident from every source, including life experience and what the Bible says.
He's not interested in learning, just making a fool of himself.
It's really much simpler than that.
Elisha had nothing to do with it.
The "children" involved were at least 13 years old, and maybe as old as 32.
Their taunting phrase was saying if Elisha was really a Prophet, he would have already ascended into heaven in a chariot of fire like Elijah did.
God said we'll see about that ...
Read through it to get context and see if you get anything different. Although the age is determined by language and can't be discovered in English.
The history involved only pertains to a few of the oldest books.
it really does come out of nowhere and with very little context.
This is the key to the passage.
It's easily understandable if you realize it does NOT come out of nowhere, which requires understanding the context.
I'll respect your choice to remain ignorant because if you wanted to know, this is easily knowable. For a processed atheist it's simply unimportant. OP is off his rocker to even try to address this.
You have no logic to support your claims.
Nothing at all works the way you're asserting.
Somehow this wound up replying to me. I'm sure that's not what you intended as I said nothing about anybody being on any same level.
the reasoning is. everyone does bad things through out history. the series of comments you made... seem to be you just blaming the jews for everything
You always do that. Instead of actually reading trying to understand anything at all, you just rush off into ridiculous conclusions. You wind up asserting things nobody ever said, and it prevents communication.
even if your right about the jews owning the ships.the ones ridding the ships.... were europions. the ones who accepted the slaves from the jews? europions again! the ones who held slaves, and treated them like dogshit. in almost half the states in the country?
You're so stupid that you can't fathom that jews lived in Europe for 1,000 years before any of this happened. That's what the word "ashkenazi" means. Shephardic, too.
You can't make ANYONE look like a bozo, you know literally NOTHING, on any topic you've ever discussed.
Those picking up slaves in Africa, sold to them by other Africans who enslaved them? The ones calling the shots were European jews. Those who owned the ships making the trans-Atlantic slave trade possible? European jews. Those owning the slave markets? European jews. Those bringing over the crops that needed slave labor? European jews. You can find them bragging about it, in writing. Those buying the slaves initially? European jews. Yes after a while some actual white people who weren't jewish saw the profit and joined in as slave owners, but white people originally hated slavery and most always did. A very small minority of white people on this continent ever owned slaves.
The people owning the peripheral businesses that made the triangle slave trade possible? European jews.
Your ignorance is extreme. Watch some Malcolm X videos, even he knew something about this. (Although in many ways he was as bad as stormfags)
NEWS FLASH, ASSHOLE! The jews doing all that bad stuff, pales in comparison, to what the former british citizens. now americans, have done to the natives, and non white people in america's early beginning.
More ignorance on your part. The biggest NDN nation on the continent disappeared entirely without ever seeing a white man. Over 90% of all NDNs died from European diseases, not warfare, tyranny, or oppression. Europeans basically walked onto the set of a zombie movie.
You were indoctrinated about this by Marxists who weren't paid to educate you. Information is readily available. Learn something!
so fine, blame the jews. i'm not saying your wrong. but... the early settlers of america, weren't all that much better than the jews
You're completely ignoring the point which is jewish influence. Ask yourself why no history book mentions it?
You've done pretty well in this convo, raising valid points and thinking clearly. Your comment here goes off the rails in several ways:
how many foreigners kill whites, to whites killing other whites?
This is not a valid comparison. To be valid you'd have to compare murderers escaping justice and the answer to that is CIS white male US citizens don't escape justice if caught. Even the troon murderer was a white citizen and his manifesto is defended by the DoJ and FBI like it was Hunter's bag of cocaine in the WH.
White people murdered in inter- racial killings aren't even reported so you don't know when they're allowed to skate. Neither can we really know if that's more extreme in EU than in US, but it's two-tiered justice in both.
This is not yet enough to be "genocide" by itself, even though bs modern definitions would include it as genocide; more on that below.
even stand alone how many of these foreigners target white people, compared to other non murder related crimes they do?
Again this is not a relevant comparison. Much better would be the crime rate of illegal aliens, which of course only includes those who get caught. And many of those criminals were released without bail to go on to murder and/or rape. So the rate isn't all that important, they're adding heinous violent crimes to the Country which would be prevented simply by enforcing existing immigration law. This is the reality that hurts ALL of us! What makes this relevant to the discussion is it's not a bug, it's a feature.
Notice that Biden isn't jewish and he's not stopping it. This one aspect of white genocide is not exclusive to jews, neither does it include all jews in any way. I will point out that those "near the levers of power" and actively contributing to this are a tiny minority.
how many of these foreigners compared to the non violent foreigners are there?
This is a good question. The answer would be the rate of violent crime, and I'm narrowing this further to within illegal aliens. The fact is we don't have good information about this. Some on the left claim that illegal aliens commit crime at a lower rate than US citizens, some on the right claim it's higher. The fact is we don't have that information.
What we DO know is many heinous crimes are committed by illegal aliens. Surely that's a small minority of illegal aliens, but what shouldn't be overlooked is the current trend of military age males. Again this isn't a bug, it's a feature. And they're given US military escort to arrive safely within our borders!
even this is one is alittle finicky, first off. i've seen more in group fighting from racial minorities then i have seen any of those groups on mass target white people.
Your thinking is off. The claim is not that minorities (illegal aliens or otherwise) are of themselves uniting to "target white people." The claim is there are puppet masters behind the scenes pulling the strings, trying to achieve an end result of white genocide. I can compare this to protests in Syria before war broke out there; there were legitimate protesters. They had legitimate issues. They were pissed. They were also legitimately peaceful. Then paid agitators were sent in and it didn't take much for them to turn the whole thing violent. This has CIA fingerprints all over it, it's what they do. It's called a color revolution, and they've been practicing for a long time. They first used this tactic in the US in 2020; our color revolution was purple, and the commies are still in control. Yes it was a coup. That's not their main goal and neither is white genocide. This means they're not done yet.
BLM riots before our 2020 Presidential election were part of this color revolution. Obviously not every US jew was involved in scheming this or financing it. Obviously many non-jews were involved, in different capacities.
of course their are racial minorities hopping that it [targeting white people] would happen. but... even if it does i blame more of the people falling for this then the "jewish controlled government"
SEE: c/zogdonald
ZOG = Zion owned government. This is fringe, and extreme. Too far, but not entirely without basis. Biden's administration is 75% jewish.
Law places greater criminal culpability on the Mafia boss ordering the hit than on the hitman doing the murder. Same principle applies here. You're stating the opposite. The point is, without the person giving the orders and paying for it, the deed doesn't get done.
I mean, if given enough time, if enough boarders get taken down. then yeah! every race, including the jewish race, will be part of 1 big race... in the far off future, it's kinda inevitable.
No it's not. You're brainwashed by the Kalergi plan. Also, there are jews on YouTube pushing this agenda, saying that opposing it in EU is impossible. I haven't seen the counterpart to that in US, but Al Sharpton was doing similar things in 1982: "hey hey, ho ho, western civ has got to go." Chanting this with College students, advocating the destruction of western civilization. The Kalergi plan of white genocide is only one part of that. This is BIG, and not expected to happen quickly. Also see the Fabian Society to understand their strategy; they're easy to research because they don't hide their goals.
i don't see an issue with it. unless your the type of person, that puts stalk into racial purity. but news flash asshole on the low end of things. we're all kinda already mixed race anyways.
No we're not. You're revealing you're brainwashed by the very things KnightOfTheRealm was trying to warn you about.
And without racial purity there is no diversity. Notice that "diversity" includes everything BUT white.. That's not diversity at all, that's deliberately creating a class of serfs who are easier to control without any sense of history or identity. And this is closer to the big picture, and it's happening NOW.
almost if not everyone in america has native american D.N fucking A man.
Completely false.
DNA tests also include tons of bs. It's a way of getting biometric data. There's a difference between a highly accurate DNA test and the garbage that's publicly available which is as stupid as a J6 protester with their cell phone getting tracked in DC.
because the original people who came over to america... raped the native women, raped, the black slaves, and fucked all the other non white pussy they could find. hell! few of them even started a family with them so if were gonna talk about white erasure and race mixing... pick up a history book you fucking moron.
This irony is rich! You're not talking about history, you're regurgitating what Marxist teachers indoctrinated you with because they weren't paid to educate.
Be honest here, what grade were you in when Obama became POTUS? Because his primary agenda was to destroy the US and to see how all you have to do is look at this bs you've been poisoned with.
Don't get me wrong, yes some European colonists raped. No it didn't result in "every American has NDN DNA." Not even close, Fauxcahontas.
or better yet, take a DNA test. you might actually be 40% white or some shit. or maybe less
Again, what's publicly available and cheap are horribly inaccurate and part of ZOG.
so what the fuck are people like us then? no seriously i want a goddamn answer! you freaks are worse then the fucking jews! atleast the jews aren't telling you or i, not to date within our race
FALSE.
I suppose subliminal messaging is a little too subtle for you to perceive, but it's very much the reality in our society.
but you seem to push this... "stay in your own lane" mentality. and any push back, is met with. "that's the jews controlling you" on this point
You are correct that stormfags make it impossible to discuss this issue. It should be discussed. Again, both of you have some valid points.
The fourteen words are "we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children." In no way is that white supremacy. Every people group naturally has this drive for self preservation and there's nothing wrong with it - unless you're white. And then it's villainized.
That's current reality.
There are so many problems here! Introduced by OP is the idea that jews would have to have hating and wiping out White people as their main reason to live before it's a problem. While there is no monolithic block defining jewish belief, that is generally not it. And the ones engaging in it are atheists, completely detached from religious Judaism.
Then you say you'd side with your people, so the assumption is that joe schmoe jews without power wouldn't step in to save anybody. Just like "moderate Muslims" aren't going to advocate for the well being of any kafir under sharia.
Ok, those are reasonable assumptions. BUT, they're also irrelevant to current reality. Muslims aren't close to imposing sharia federally in the US, and jews just minding their own business aren't in any position to stop the process of white genocide.
So you and OP both have valid points, which is what makes any topic interesting. And in this case, important. If voting no longer determines any outcome it still matters as an expression of ideology, and conservative and orthodox jews are the only jewish groups who substantially vote against the leftist agenda that includes promoting white genocide. Those two groups combined are less than 30% of US jews. Of that 30%, not all of them vote conservative although a majority do. So a very clear and large majority of US jews do vote in favor of those promoting woketardedness, regardless what their individual stance might truly be on the subject of white replacement and / or genocide.
This is substantially different from what I've seen you say, and the difference is similar to nazi Germany putting a yellow star first on anyone Jewish and then more capriciously anyone they just didn't like as concepts like truth and justice went down the drain in the fog of a losing war effort.
Ironically the mod reminding of barely skating by the rules is pretty much along the same moral lines, which I'm not defining any better than the above lengthy ramble. Yet..
Here's some important information. It's not pro Israel or anti Pali, but it is historic fact:
On April 3, 1949, the Near East Broadcasting Station (Cyprus) said: "It must not be forgotten that the Arab Higher Committee encouraged the refugees' flight from their homes in Jaffa, Haifa and Jerusalem."
What happened is the Arab armies convinced the Palestinians to leave. The plan was to destroy Israel on its first day of existence, then these former residents would take possession of everything.
More sources:
"The Arab States encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies," according to the Jordanian newspaper Filastin (February 19, 1949).
One refugee quoted in the Jordan newspaper, Ad Difaa (September 6, 1954), said: "The Arab government told us: Get out so that we can get in. So we got out, but they did not get in."
These are just the very succinct statements. There are many more that are longer. The basic idea remains: those who start war, abandon territory, and then lose the war they started have no rights or claims to anything.
That's your nakba.
You can still make the case that the Balfour Declaration was whack, and that Palis aren't refugees but still deserve better. Arab Nations should've been hosting them all along though, they're the ones who made promises and failed to deliver.
Israel doesn't need our money.