i am an atheist. i don't believe that a god exist.
The question is not whether god exists. God did not create man, man created god, that much is trivial. If you think reaching that intellectual level is somehow a dunk on the faithful, you're just a very dim, shallow, petty, and naive person.
The question is why god must exist. When you understand that, then you can understand why man attributed man's creation to god.
God must exist for one simple reason. To make the wrongness of murder universal. That's all. A flat foundation on which to build a counter philosophy to moral relativism. Nothing more. Understanding that, then you can get to whether you believe in god, and your answer to that says nothing about the nature of the universe and existence, and everything about you and your view on moral relativism.
i have an opposition to religion. but despite that i agree that companies and brands and buisness are softkey censoring the word Christmas. i actually like christmas and was explaining a piece of my history regarding that.
seriously though what is wrong with people like you? if some dumbass christian announced their faith in god and jesus they get a pass? but if i simply say i don't believe in a god i get people like you? since you know it all jackass. what are my views on religion people? what are my views on someone believing in a god? or. do i think religious people can be good?
You know nothing of me or what i think. all you know is. i'm an atheist, and therefore must believe anyone who is not an atheist. are beneath me. listen man other atheist do believe in that stuff. i do not. i actually view someone's intelligence, to their religion to be separate. but you didn't even bother to ask me what i thought. or even get to know me. instead you just made me to be your enemy simply because i stated i don't believe in a god. you guys are assholes.
All i stated was their was no god. other christians and people of other believes praise their god, say good god. or praise god. or whatever. the fact alone you had an explosion over someone saying. "i don't believe a god exist" is very telling of your mental. now again, if you believe in a god cool. i didn't even say anything direct like. "their is no god" but you went off the deep end over another person's opinion.
now i will not be answering your question regarding is murder wrong because i've been there before with other christians. you believe god is a necessary evil... to keep people from doing bad things because without a god people would fall into murder and chaos... i-i actually disagree. and you seem like the type of who believes without a god we'd all be dead.
again i did not mean to coax this out of you. this was something you inferred. and i full on disagree people needing a god to do good, or to stay inline. but whatever floats your boat i guess.
you believe god is a necessary evil... to keep people from doing bad things
No, that's an overreach. God is only necessary to DEFINE absolute good and absolute bad.
All moral absolutism is a fabrication. It does not exist in nature. But being a fabrication does not make something not real.
Without god, the moral relativists are "correct". A cat's sadistic joy of playing with a mouse it has already wounded is right and good because the cat's own existence and satisfaction is all that exists to the cat.
We humans invented god. As surely as we invented tools and weapons. We invented god to serve a purpose, to solve a problem which we have studied for thousands of years. We looked for a source of moral absolutes that could be universalized onto all beings. And what we found is that no source within ourselves would serve. We had to project the problem onto something external and untouchable. Law is insufficient. Tyrants are unreliable. Only god could fit the task.
The question is not whether god exists. God did not create man, man created god, that much is trivial. If you think reaching that intellectual level is somehow a dunk on the faithful, you're just a very dim, shallow, petty, and naive person.
The question is why god must exist. When you understand that, then you can understand why man attributed man's creation to god.
God must exist for one simple reason. To make the wrongness of murder universal. That's all. A flat foundation on which to build a counter philosophy to moral relativism. Nothing more. Understanding that, then you can get to whether you believe in god, and your answer to that says nothing about the nature of the universe and existence, and everything about you and your view on moral relativism.
i have an opposition to religion. but despite that i agree that companies and brands and buisness are softkey censoring the word Christmas. i actually like christmas and was explaining a piece of my history regarding that.
seriously though what is wrong with people like you? if some dumbass christian announced their faith in god and jesus they get a pass? but if i simply say i don't believe in a god i get people like you? since you know it all jackass. what are my views on religion people? what are my views on someone believing in a god? or. do i think religious people can be good?
You know nothing of me or what i think. all you know is. i'm an atheist, and therefore must believe anyone who is not an atheist. are beneath me. listen man other atheist do believe in that stuff. i do not. i actually view someone's intelligence, to their religion to be separate. but you didn't even bother to ask me what i thought. or even get to know me. instead you just made me to be your enemy simply because i stated i don't believe in a god. you guys are assholes.
Very well, if you want to have this argument...
Is murder wrong and if so, why?
yeah before we even go over this.
All i stated was their was no god. other christians and people of other believes praise their god, say good god. or praise god. or whatever. the fact alone you had an explosion over someone saying. "i don't believe a god exist" is very telling of your mental. now again, if you believe in a god cool. i didn't even say anything direct like. "their is no god" but you went off the deep end over another person's opinion.
now i will not be answering your question regarding is murder wrong because i've been there before with other christians. you believe god is a necessary evil... to keep people from doing bad things because without a god people would fall into murder and chaos... i-i actually disagree. and you seem like the type of who believes without a god we'd all be dead.
again i did not mean to coax this out of you. this was something you inferred. and i full on disagree people needing a god to do good, or to stay inline. but whatever floats your boat i guess.
No, that's an overreach. God is only necessary to DEFINE absolute good and absolute bad.
All moral absolutism is a fabrication. It does not exist in nature. But being a fabrication does not make something not real.
Without god, the moral relativists are "correct". A cat's sadistic joy of playing with a mouse it has already wounded is right and good because the cat's own existence and satisfaction is all that exists to the cat.
We humans invented god. As surely as we invented tools and weapons. We invented god to serve a purpose, to solve a problem which we have studied for thousands of years. We looked for a source of moral absolutes that could be universalized onto all beings. And what we found is that no source within ourselves would serve. We had to project the problem onto something external and untouchable. Law is insufficient. Tyrants are unreliable. Only god could fit the task.