Win / KotakuInAction2
KotakuInAction2
Communities Topics Log In Sign Up
Sign In
Hot
All Posts
Settings
All
Profile
Saved
Upvoted
Hidden
Messages

Your Communities

General
AskWin
Funny
Technology
Animals
Sports
Gaming
DIY
Health
Positive
Privacy
News
Changelogs

More Communities

frenworld
OhTwitter
MillionDollarExtreme
NoNewNormal
Ladies
Conspiracies
GreatAwakening
IP2Always
GameDev
ParallelSociety
Privacy Policy
Terms of Service
Content Policy
DEFAULT COMMUNITIES • All General AskWin Funny Technology Animals Sports Gaming DIY Health Positive Privacy
KotakuInAction2 The Official Gamergate Forum
hot new rising top

Sign In or Create an Account

8
AI Disproves Jacobian Conjecture (87 year old math problem) (www.youtube.com)
posted 21 hours ago by GamingTheSystem-01 21 hours ago by GamingTheSystem-01 +8 / -0
16 comments share
16 comments share save hide report block hide replies
You're viewing a single comment thread. View all comments, or full comment thread.
Comments (16)
sorted by:
▲ 9 ▼
– AntonioOfVenice 9 points 20 hours ago +9 / -0

I'll believe it when it's confirmed by actual mathematics specialists.

There was massive AI fraud recently by a student at MIT, who claimed all sorts of patents that never existed, and then created a fake website in a company's name.

You will get fraud like this when valuations of up to 1 trillion are at stake.

permalink save report block reply
▲ 7 ▼
– WeedleTLiar 7 points 19 hours ago +7 / -0

All it has to do is find a single example where the conjecture is false.

permalink parent save report block reply
▲ 2 ▼
– AntonioOfVenice 2 points 19 hours ago +2 / -0

Sure, but if it's that easy, why wouldn't humans and simple computer programming not have found it?

permalink parent save report block reply
▲ 6 ▼
– GamingTheSystem-01 [S] 6 points 17 hours ago +6 / -0

Finding the counter example is difficult, verifying it is easy.

You can't brute force a counter example because the problem space of "all polynomial functions" is too large. A simple program isn't enough. You need to be clever.

permalink parent save report block reply
▲ 1 ▼
– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 16 hours ago +1 / -0

But if it's difficult, why should we assume that the vaunted Mythos did it? I mean, I'm not even saying that it's impossible, only that we should take a wait and see approach than a hype train.

permalink parent save report block reply
... continue reading thread?
▲ 1 ▼
– CatoTheElder 1 point 10 hours ago +1 / -0

You can infact brute force the problem space to find a counter example, it's called getting lucky. You cannot search the entire space to prove there are no counter-examples.

permalink parent save report block reply
▲ 5 ▼
– WeedleTLiar 5 points 17 hours ago +5 / -0

Because there are nearly infinite possibilities? It could be just a matter of trying a ton of stuff and eventually finding the needle in the haystack.

Disclaimer: I am not at all familiar with this particular proof, just proofs in general.

permalink parent save report block reply
▲ 1 ▼
– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 16 hours ago +1 / -0

I'm not really seeing the advantage of AI there. If I wanted to generate a ton of possibilities, I'd write a script - not tell the most expensive AI to do it.

Disclaimer: I'm a total mathematical illiterate.

permalink parent save report block reply
▲ 3 ▼
– SR388-SAX 3 points 13 hours ago +3 / -0

Sure, but if it's that easy, why wouldn't humans and simple computer programming not have found it?

Tell me you've never written code without telling me you've never written code.

And, quite possibly, add "done math" to that statement as well.

permalink parent save report block reply
▲ 3 ▼
– ernsithe 3 points 17 hours ago +3 / -0

Everything is obvious once it's already been found.

permalink parent save report block reply
▲ 6 ▼
– GamingTheSystem-01 [S] 6 points 17 hours ago +6 / -0

It's a mathematical claim. It's not something you can confidence game, it's verifiable.

permalink parent save report block reply
▲ 1 ▼
– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 16 hours ago +1 / -0

Sure. I'd still rather hear from specialists than from random Twitter users saying OMG DID YOU HEAR WHAT AI DID TODAY?

I know I'm very obnoxious, and I apologize, but I find the AI hype very obnoxious too.

permalink parent save report block reply
▲ 2 ▼
– CatoTheElder 2 points 10 hours ago +2 / -0

It states that if a polynomial function from an N-dimensional space to itself has a Jacobian determinant that is a non-zero constant, then the function has a polynomial inverse.

All you have to do is find a function that does not have an inverse, and has a non-zero Det(). The way used by the paper was to find a function which was not one-to-one, while haveing a constant determinant.

Pretty much any math or physics undergrad should be able to work the counter example by the end of their second year.

permalink parent save report block reply

Original 8chan Links to Gamer Gate:

.

The main GG discussion is on the videogames board: https://8chan.moe/v/

.

GamerGate archive is at https://8chan.moe/gamergatehq/

.

GamerGate Wiki:

https://ggwiki.deepfreeze.it/index.php/Main_Page

. . . . . .

. . . . . .

Rules:

.

ONE: Do not advocate for illegal violence or post other illegal activity. (Be aware of your local laws.)

.

TWO: Don't threaten, harass, or impersonate users. Also: don't be a psycho. New users will be held to a higher standard.

.

THREE: Do not post porn.

.

FOUR: NSFW/NSFL content must be flaired NSFW.

.

FIVE: No vote manipulation. Do not break communities.win's features.

.

SIX: No spam or reposts. Do not make more than 5 threads a day.

.

SEVEN: Do not post falsehoods and hoaxes that are obvious to an uncontroversial degree.

. . . . . .

. . . . . .

Moderation Logs:

.

(Two different versions, Scored has more features and is cleaner, but .win let's you see a few more details in certain instances.)

  • Scored
  • .win

Moderators

  • DomitiusOfMassilia
  • C
  • BandageBandolier
  • CarmenOfSandiego
  • The_Shadow_of_Intent
  • SocraticMethod1
  • Kienan
  • Smith1980
Message the Moderators

Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

2026.02.01 - bh6wd (status)

Copyright © 2026.

Terms of Service | Privacy Policy