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Air Canada CEO bullied into retirement for not speaking in French after crash. CTV News frames it as "Relief in Quebec". He spent 600 hrs taking French lessons but it wasn't enough for them (archive.is)
posted 66 days ago by YesMovement 66 days ago by YesMovement +33 / -0
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– Eloyas 5 points 66 days ago +5 / -0

Doesn't sound like those lessons did him any good. He didn't even TRY to speak French when adressing the death of a French speaking employee.

It's not the first time he got in hot water over this, so it really feels like he doesn't give a damn. It's not like Quebeckers expect fluent French, just the will to try.

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– YesMovement [S] 9 points 66 days ago +9 / -0

600 hrs of lessons isn't trying?

The video he did was subtitled in French, you frogs all illiterate or something?

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– horstshort 8 points 66 days ago +8 / -0

600 hrs of lessons isn't trying?

If you don't actually speak the language you don't speak the language no matter how many lessons you supposedly took. Sounds strange but it is true.

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– YesMovement [S] 11 points 66 days ago +11 / -0

Which is why forced bilingualism is bullshit. In Canada there's maybe 10% of the physical country where you will regularly use both languages so expected people to be fluent in both means you're eliminating the overwhelming majority of eligible candidates.

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– -Fender- 5 points 66 days ago +5 / -0

Some friends told me about a story that happened about 20 years back. Their first language was English, but they'd lived in Quebec practically their entire lives. They'd been immersed in a majority French culture for nearly two decades and had been taking French lessons with actual French Quebecers at school throughout that time, so they could speak the language fluently with barely an accent or any spelling mistakes when writing. At some point when they were around 18, they went to visit some of their friends who lived in Toronto. They met them at their school, and were given a tour. When they were introduced to their French teacher, she was apparently ecstatic at the opportunity to speak to them, and tried to start a conversation. They told me that they had to really struggle to understand the slightest word that came out of her mouth. They were completely fluent in French, but they couldn't make out what the person in charge of teaching the language at that school in Toronto was saying.

Simply taking lessons and accumulating hours isn't enough. You need to have a proper teacher, or to use a proper teaching method. You need to actually want to learn the language, and to make efforts to go about it. You need to find opportunities to speak it more often in your regular life. It's only by immersing yourself in that culture or by spending time having conversations with fluent speakers that you can really get a good grasp of it.

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– horstshort 2 points 66 days ago +2 / -0

Learning a second language isn't exactly difficult.

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– Eloyas 4 points 66 days ago +4 / -0

Trying in the same way the American school system is trying in inner cities, apparently.

As if you guys didn't throw a tantrum over the superbowl's spectacle that was Spanish only... Miss me with your BS.

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– AntonioOfVenice 4 points 66 days ago +4 / -0

So if that's a tantrum, why do you agree with this? Either all of it OK, or none of it is OK.

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– horstshort 4 points 66 days ago +4 / -0

I'm surprised you don't know that English and French are both official languages of Canada and that for about a third of Canada's population French is their native tongue. Spanish on the other is not an official language of the US.

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– Eloyas 2 points 66 days ago +2 / -0

I agree that the superbowl thing was bad. It's the hypocrisy that annoys me. Every culture should be able to defend itself in its own country, not just English.

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