I'll wait and see more, but initially, I'm going against the grain on this one. This was a major ICE fuckup. Even if the guy drew a gun, it should not have gotten to that point. Yeah, he shouldn't resist or provoke (if he did the latter.) He certainly shouldn't draw a gun, if he did.
But ICE should be trained enough where six guys can detain one dumbass who's already on the ground, without using lethal force. Grab his fucking arms. This was incompetent nonsense, and resulted in the death of (I think) an American citizen.
If you have to use lethal force on a guy who's on the ground and surrounded by you and your buddies, you've messed up. ONE trained guy should be able to take down a guy on the ground. Two certainly should. Six ABSOLUTELY should.
Again, I'll wait for more information, but I doubt I'll be defending this shoot. Looks bad.
I agree with this assessment, however I'm also at the point where I don't actually care that the person got shot. All these people out causing trouble for ICE are betraying the nation and actively working to see it invaded. Whether or not this a fuck up by ICE or not, the fact remains that these idiots all deserve to hang at the gallows.
Yeah, but we can't have fedbois out there unjustly killing people.
The dude was probably a retard and a traitor (he was blocking the street and causing trouble, it seems), and if he'd been killed while on his feet and clearly drawing a gun, yeah, that's on him.
But if fedbois are this inept and this ready to use lethal force, that's a danger to all of us. Most of the people filming ICE are leftist agitators, but you do have a right to film in public...and ICE doesn't like that.
I'd be afraid to film ICE, and I could literally get killed for it, even if I support what they're doing at the time, and am not disrupting them.
That's an incredibly bad scenario for all Americans, no matter how you feel about leftist traitors.
My issue is the incompetence. If you want reciprocal violence, that's one thing. But this isn't 'based leftoid removal' or anything. It's incompetent fedbois blasting a dude because they're incapable of restraining him, and too quick to jump to the extreme option.
It's mostly leftists recording ICE but, as an American, I reserve the right to as well. And if I did, I do think I'd be in danger, because ICE in their present form is that incompetent and unhinged. It's gotten really bad.
Americans shouldn't have to fear feds killing them in the streets for filming. That's terrorism, and that's kind of where we are, no matter how you feel about leftists.
It's like ICE is trying to prove the leftist lunatics correct on their wild claims about ICE.
Yep. Personally it seems like a bad shoot but ICE's mission is critical and legitimate and play stupid games win stupid prizes. But this is still bad in that it will be used to propagandize normies against ICE.
Yeah, I'm not sure I care either. They should know what they are getting in to. What do they expect to come of going out and instigating the government? Whether it's one of us deciding it's to protect ours and our family or an idiot protesting the capture of bananas and rice criminals, the outcome is the same. Mess with the snake, get bit.
They spent years telling us people deserved any and all punishment for being present in or near a government building on January 6th. Shoe is on the other foot.
Hmm. To me this is a lot of squinting (as has been much the case for the last few events as well). By which I mean that I'm squinting too, unsure of exactly what I'm looking at.
Beyond that, I'm extending ICE a lot of grace considering what they're up against at the moment. One, because I think what they're doing is very necessary, and two, because the forces being brought to bear against them is frankly very worrying.
Make no mistake, these folks are being hunted. There's an army of stalkers and profiles out there mining their identities and locations, not to mention that of their families and anyone they're civilly-involved with (job, church, etc.) There's tremendous organizational, network power also dedicated to physically stopping them from conducting their duties.And that's just the NGOs. The amount of civil institutional power being used against them (by Democrats) is not something I thought I'd ever see in my life, and for the first time I don't find it incredible to start using the words "civil" and "war" together to describe the trajectory we're on.
If the argument is fighting demons, I want my demon fighters competent and ready. Not a bunch of thugs who could kill anyone. And they seem to be going down the latter road, at least some of them.
Disagree. Frankly, they might have been better off shooting him immediately while the gun was in his hand. No police officer has to disarm a suspect that is actively using lethal force against you. Most will literally put their service weapon to your temple and pull the trigger rather than trying to disarm you because it's safer.
Actually we can expect reprisal killings by the Communists at this point. Possibly assassinations, possibly armed checkpoints and searches of innocent motorists' vehicles.
I know. That's why I'm saying expect it to continue.
James O'Keefe is already stating that the riots are heavily organized and are engaging in sophisticated surveillance and they have informants working at most hotels.
When we're looking into all of this, and the fact that the CPUSA (which is funded by the CCP) is directly involved in this, and we can assume that the Waltz regime is actively supporting this, we can clearly state that this is an insurrection in Minnesota... but there is effectively no political capital for using it, despite the claims of the online right saying it's almost to late to send them. I'm sorry, but the general population is being persuaded by the terrorists at the moment, and now the admin has to fight from the ground.
I'm okay with declaring an insurrection, but sending in the Marines to quell the rioters is not the solution at this point. Instead, it should be for arresting Waltz, Frey, and the Police Chief. But how do you do that with a DOJ as inept as Bondi's, an FBI that is likely supporting the riots, and Federal Judges who support the insurrection?
The lefties are salivating for another Chris Dorner, there's no reason to push these things this hard unless they're trying to get some leftist soldier to snap.
Push? Everything I said is already being done on the Left and they are in full support of it.
If Trump pulled all federal law enforcement out of the entire state of Minnesota, you'd still get assassinations, armed checkpoints, and militia searches of vehicles. I wouldn't be surprised if they started going into nearby communities to just beat random Republican and Trump supporters for walking through their own suburb.
I'll wait and see more, but initially, I'm going against the grain on this one. This was a major ICE fuckup. Even if the guy drew a gun, it should not have gotten to that point. Yeah, he shouldn't resist or provoke (if he did the latter.) He certainly shouldn't draw a gun, if he did.
But ICE should be trained enough where six guys can detain one dumbass who's already on the ground, without using lethal force. Grab his fucking arms. This was incompetent nonsense, and resulted in the death of (I think) an American citizen.
If you have to use lethal force on a guy who's on the ground and surrounded by you and your buddies, you've messed up. ONE trained guy should be able to take down a guy on the ground. Two certainly should. Six ABSOLUTELY should.
Again, I'll wait for more information, but I doubt I'll be defending this shoot. Looks bad.
I agree with this assessment, however I'm also at the point where I don't actually care that the person got shot. All these people out causing trouble for ICE are betraying the nation and actively working to see it invaded. Whether or not this a fuck up by ICE or not, the fact remains that these idiots all deserve to hang at the gallows.
Yeah, but we can't have fedbois out there unjustly killing people.
The dude was probably a retard and a traitor (he was blocking the street and causing trouble, it seems), and if he'd been killed while on his feet and clearly drawing a gun, yeah, that's on him.
But if fedbois are this inept and this ready to use lethal force, that's a danger to all of us. Most of the people filming ICE are leftist agitators, but you do have a right to film in public...and ICE doesn't like that.
I'd be afraid to film ICE, and I could literally get killed for it, even if I support what they're doing at the time, and am not disrupting them.
That's an incredibly bad scenario for all Americans, no matter how you feel about leftist traitors.
My rebuttal. Ashli Babbit.
Liberals already kill us with no justification and total immunity. Failing to respond in kind is just offering our throats.
I 1000% don't care how many of them die, because they're traitors and death is what they deserve.
My issue is the incompetence. If you want reciprocal violence, that's one thing. But this isn't 'based leftoid removal' or anything. It's incompetent fedbois blasting a dude because they're incapable of restraining him, and too quick to jump to the extreme option.
It's mostly leftists recording ICE but, as an American, I reserve the right to as well. And if I did, I do think I'd be in danger, because ICE in their present form is that incompetent and unhinged. It's gotten really bad.
Americans shouldn't have to fear feds killing them in the streets for filming. That's terrorism, and that's kind of where we are, no matter how you feel about leftists.
It's like ICE is trying to prove the leftist lunatics correct on their wild claims about ICE.
You'll get no disagreement from me. The feds being this liberal with their application of lethal force is cause for concern.
That said, I have zero sympathy for people deserving of a traitor's death getting a traitor's death. These two things are not in contradiction.
As I’ve said before it’s sad and scary how many people have been brainwashed to think that enforcing immigration laws is some form of Nazism
Yep. Personally it seems like a bad shoot but ICE's mission is critical and legitimate and play stupid games win stupid prizes. But this is still bad in that it will be used to propagandize normies against ICE.
Yeah, I'm not sure I care either. They should know what they are getting in to. What do they expect to come of going out and instigating the government? Whether it's one of us deciding it's to protect ours and our family or an idiot protesting the capture of bananas and rice criminals, the outcome is the same. Mess with the snake, get bit.
They spent years telling us people deserved any and all punishment for being present in or near a government building on January 6th. Shoe is on the other foot.
Hmm. To me this is a lot of squinting (as has been much the case for the last few events as well). By which I mean that I'm squinting too, unsure of exactly what I'm looking at.
Beyond that, I'm extending ICE a lot of grace considering what they're up against at the moment. One, because I think what they're doing is very necessary, and two, because the forces being brought to bear against them is frankly very worrying.
Make no mistake, these folks are being hunted. There's an army of stalkers and profiles out there mining their identities and locations, not to mention that of their families and anyone they're civilly-involved with (job, church, etc.) There's tremendous organizational, network power also dedicated to physically stopping them from conducting their duties.And that's just the NGOs. The amount of civil institutional power being used against them (by Democrats) is not something I thought I'd ever see in my life, and for the first time I don't find it incredible to start using the words "civil" and "war" together to describe the trajectory we're on.
Bro applying morals while we're fighting demons
As I keep saying, my issue is the incompetence.
If the argument is fighting demons, I want my demon fighters competent and ready. Not a bunch of thugs who could kill anyone. And they seem to be going down the latter road, at least some of them.
Disagree. Frankly, they might have been better off shooting him immediately while the gun was in his hand. No police officer has to disarm a suspect that is actively using lethal force against you. Most will literally put their service weapon to your temple and pull the trigger rather than trying to disarm you because it's safer.
Yea I’m guessing those officers are in trouble but the “protesters” think that immigration enforcement is a grave evil so they will keep “protesting”
Actually we can expect reprisal killings by the Communists at this point. Possibly assassinations, possibly armed checkpoints and searches of innocent motorists' vehicles.
Has already happened. There's been at least one instance of both those posted here in the last week.
I know. That's why I'm saying expect it to continue.
James O'Keefe is already stating that the riots are heavily organized and are engaging in sophisticated surveillance and they have informants working at most hotels.
When we're looking into all of this, and the fact that the CPUSA (which is funded by the CCP) is directly involved in this, and we can assume that the Waltz regime is actively supporting this, we can clearly state that this is an insurrection in Minnesota... but there is effectively no political capital for using it, despite the claims of the online right saying it's almost to late to send them. I'm sorry, but the general population is being persuaded by the terrorists at the moment, and now the admin has to fight from the ground.
I'm okay with declaring an insurrection, but sending in the Marines to quell the rioters is not the solution at this point. Instead, it should be for arresting Waltz, Frey, and the Police Chief. But how do you do that with a DOJ as inept as Bondi's, an FBI that is likely supporting the riots, and Federal Judges who support the insurrection?
Wouldn’t surprise me
The lefties are salivating for another Chris Dorner, there's no reason to push these things this hard unless they're trying to get some leftist soldier to snap.
Push? Everything I said is already being done on the Left and they are in full support of it.
If Trump pulled all federal law enforcement out of the entire state of Minnesota, you'd still get assassinations, armed checkpoints, and militia searches of vehicles. I wouldn't be surprised if they started going into nearby communities to just beat random Republican and Trump supporters for walking through their own suburb.